The Holy Spirit and Salvation !
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His Part in Salvation !
The Holy Spirit's part in Salvation, in the Everlasting Covenant, was to Glorify Christ Jn 16:14
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This word Glorify is the greek word Doxazo and means:
to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged
He will cause the Church to Acknowledge Christ, and His Preciousness for it is written "Unto you therefore which believe he is precious:"
He also Glorifies Christ in the Salvation [experientially] of all the Elect, the Church that Christ gave Himself for Eph 5:25, He will sanctify each member of it [The Church] unto the Belief or acknowledgment of the Truth, as it is in Christ Jesus. 2 Thess 2:13
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Titus 1:1
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
This Glorifies Christ in that it is an Positive answer to His Prayer unto the Father based upon His Covenant Faithfulness to all the stipulations of the agreement Jn 17:17-20
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
This Prayer is answered by the Work of the Spirit in 2 Thess 2:13, of course Christ asked according to His Father's will also 1 Jn 5:14-15
14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Yes, this promise applied to Christ as well as a Man, as a Servant of God !
So the Work of the Holy Spirit is to Honor Christ and bring all for whom He died unto the belief of the Truth ! 2
The Holy Spirit's part in Salvation, in the Everlasting Covenant, was to Glorify Christ Jn 16:14
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This word Glorify is the greek word Doxazo and means:
to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged
He will cause the Church to Acknowledge Christ, and His Preciousness for it is written "Unto you therefore which believe he is precious:"
He also Glorifies Christ in the Salvation [experientially] of all the Elect, the Church that Christ gave Himself for Eph 5:25, He will sanctify each member of it [The Church] unto the Belief or acknowledgment of the Truth, as it is in Christ Jesus. 2 Thess 2:13
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Titus 1:1
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
This Glorifies Christ in that it is an Positive answer to His Prayer unto the Father based upon His Covenant Faithfulness to all the stipulations of the agreement Jn 17:17-20
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
This Prayer is answered by the Work of the Spirit in 2 Thess 2:13, of course Christ asked according to His Father's will also 1 Jn 5:14-15
14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Yes, this promise applied to Christ as well as a Man, as a Servant of God !
So the Work of the Holy Spirit is to Honor Christ and bring all for whom He died unto the belief of the Truth ! 2
This is false ?
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
John 14:15-21, 23-24 KJV
Your saying Jesus taught them falsely that if they kept his commandments they would receive the holy spirit ?
They coupd have responded to Jesus “ no lord you’ve already done all that for us but it wouldn’t have been faith but simply rejecting what he said to them but instead they followed his word and were baptized with the Holy Spirit at pentocost as he told them they would be
If say Jesus was sent to the world to teach the truth not fallacy
““You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.””
John 18:37 NIV
So for instance if Jesus taught this
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
Mark 11:25-26
It’s not the right response to call it false and reject it and then insist on other things . The right response is to hear it and believe and th en of course when you do you would begin practicing it because you believe it’s true
but to be frank some beer Jesus word about things and reject it and then insist upon other truths and means of salvation but look what they are rejecting when they do that
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
and look at the result of rejecting Jesus and his words
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
the only thing that can condemn us is rejecting the judges words and judgements but saying it’s false and doesn’t apply is a form of rejecting it subtly of course but either way it’s still rejected , only with an excuse and explaination.
““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
Luke 6:46-49 NIV
ultimately we all have to do this it should change our course but often we simply refuse to hear it in wich case we walk on in bliss but we’re walking towards a cliff refusing all the warning signs about repentance and obeying the things Jesus taught us
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
If we can’t acknowledge and agree with Jesus teachings we’re really off track
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
John 14:15-21, 23-24 KJV
Your saying Jesus taught them falsely that if they kept his commandments they would receive the holy spirit ?
They coupd have responded to Jesus “ no lord you’ve already done all that for us but it wouldn’t have been faith but simply rejecting what he said to them but instead they followed his word and were baptized with the Holy Spirit at pentocost as he told them they would be
If say Jesus was sent to the world to teach the truth not fallacy
““You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.””
John 18:37 NIV
So for instance if Jesus taught this
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
Mark 11:25-26
It’s not the right response to call it false and reject it and then insist on other things . The right response is to hear it and believe and th en of course when you do you would begin practicing it because you believe it’s true
but to be frank some beer Jesus word about things and reject it and then insist upon other truths and means of salvation but look what they are rejecting when they do that
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
and look at the result of rejecting Jesus and his words
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
the only thing that can condemn us is rejecting the judges words and judgements but saying it’s false and doesn’t apply is a form of rejecting it subtly of course but either way it’s still rejected , only with an excuse and explaination.
““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
Luke 6:46-49 NIV
ultimately we all have to do this it should change our course but often we simply refuse to hear it in wich case we walk on in bliss but we’re walking towards a cliff refusing all the warning signs about repentance and obeying the things Jesus taught us
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
If we can’t acknowledge and agree with Jesus teachings we’re really off track
@Pilgrimshope
No its truth, and its no Gospel without it. Jesus life and death were vicarious, as was Adams
No its truth, and its no Gospel without it. Jesus life and death were vicarious, as was Adams
Sure He told His disciples, who were already saved to keep his commandments, but not to get saved. But as far as Salvation was concerned, He fulfilled for them all righteousness, both keeping the Law and suffering its penalty, you dont understand that, you dont understand basic Christian doctrine, the Gospel
“you dont understand basic Christian doctrine, the Gospel”
Not if it calls fornus to reject the gospel that Jesus preached promising salvation no lol I don’t understand that gospel that calls fornus to reject Gods promise of salvation if we hear and believe the gospel
But They were already saved ? Are these already saved also ?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
are they already saved or damned ? Or is he saying to go preach the gospel to everyone and those who believe and are baptized will be saved those who reject the gospel will be damned ?
there’s no way for anyone to understand the basics of the gospel when they reject it
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
You find the basics of the gospel there when Jesus began to preach it
Not if it calls fornus to reject the gospel that Jesus preached promising salvation no lol I don’t understand that gospel that calls fornus to reject Gods promise of salvation if we hear and believe the gospel
But They were already saved ? Are these already saved also ?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
are they already saved or damned ? Or is he saying to go preach the gospel to everyone and those who believe and are baptized will be saved those who reject the gospel will be damned ?
there’s no way for anyone to understand the basics of the gospel when they reject it
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
You find the basics of the gospel there when Jesus began to preach it
He causes Obedience to the Gospel !
It was God's will that many would be brought to obedience of the Faith or of the Gospel Rom 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: or the obedience of the Gospel.
Acts 5:32
32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
God has given the Holy Ghost to them that are obeying Him. The word obey is a present tense participle and it means obeying Him, in other words is the fruit or evidence of God having gave them the Holy Ghost. Now why is that True ? Because it is part of His Work [The Holy Spirit] in the Covenant of Redemption to produce obedience to Jesus Christ or His Gospel, as the fruit of His Redeeming Death; For the same Apostle who Preached this Truth also wrote this 1 Pet 1:1-2
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. For here clearly the Work of the Spirit is stated to be the who effectuates obedience, same as that in Acts 5:32. So it is false teaching to refer Acts 5:32 as a scripture that teaches obedience is a condition to getting saved or receiving the Holy Spirit, for scripture teaches the very opposite, that the Holy Spirit is the condition to us doing obedience, any type of Gospel evangelical obedience ! Here would be repentance, for Peter had Just said in the previous verse that the Risen Saviour gives Repentance tom Israel along with the Remission of sins Acts 5:31, so those obeying the command to repent, had been given the Holy Spirit ! 2
It was God's will that many would be brought to obedience of the Faith or of the Gospel Rom 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: or the obedience of the Gospel.
Acts 5:32
32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
God has given the Holy Ghost to them that are obeying Him. The word obey is a present tense participle and it means obeying Him, in other words is the fruit or evidence of God having gave them the Holy Ghost. Now why is that True ? Because it is part of His Work [The Holy Spirit] in the Covenant of Redemption to produce obedience to Jesus Christ or His Gospel, as the fruit of His Redeeming Death; For the same Apostle who Preached this Truth also wrote this 1 Pet 1:1-2
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. For here clearly the Work of the Spirit is stated to be the who effectuates obedience, same as that in Acts 5:32. So it is false teaching to refer Acts 5:32 as a scripture that teaches obedience is a condition to getting saved or receiving the Holy Spirit, for scripture teaches the very opposite, that the Holy Spirit is the condition to us doing obedience, any type of Gospel evangelical obedience ! Here would be repentance, for Peter had Just said in the previous verse that the Risen Saviour gives Repentance tom Israel along with the Remission of sins Acts 5:31, so those obeying the command to repent, had been given the Holy Spirit ! 2
Being raised by Christian parents, attending Sunday School all of my adolescent life, and never rebelling,
I have always believed GW, but my memory is poor, so I need reminding of just one Scripture that supports you
believing that "a person has to be already saved to believe the Gospel, but a damned person cannot believe the Gospel".
Sorry.
I have always believed GW, but my memory is poor, so I need reminding of just one Scripture that supports you
believing that "a person has to be already saved to believe the Gospel, but a damned person cannot believe the Gospel".
Sorry.
2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief/faith of the truth:
Those who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit, do believe the Truth, because Faith is the fruit of sanctification of the Spirit Gal 5:22, only the Spiritual Alive believe in Christ !
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief/faith of the truth:
Those who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit, do believe the Truth, because Faith is the fruit of sanctification of the Spirit Gal 5:22, only the Spiritual Alive believe in Christ !
Thanks, but it is obvious that verse does not say, "a person has to be already saved to believe the Gospel, but a damned person cannot believe the Gospel". Instead, it jibes with 1CR 12:13 teaching that salvation/sanctification of the Spirit begins when a soul believes in Jesus as Lord (ACTS 16:31) or repents/converts and is baptized into the body/church of Christ (cf. RV 3:20). And you ignore 1TM 2:3-4 which says that God wants everyone to learn the truth/believe the Gospel and be saved. What motivates you to portray the omniloving God as hateful toward some?
They will never believe you or be swayed. They can't give up their own glory or give God His due credit. There's nothing they hate more than a believer saying God get's ALL glory we get none. They hate this truth and will sit here and argue all day to shrink God and lift up themselves. In my opinion and experience this view can only be held by those who are ignorant of the things of the Spirit and have NEVER know the transforming power of our God. Please understand I'm not saying I know they don't know our God, that's between God, and this and isn't something we can know, but I can tell you for sure that you cannot encounter the power of the one True God of the universe, be transformed by it in Truth as I have, then try to claim any part of that salvation as your own in boast like they do here daily. You just know that God did it ALL, and you aren't anything but the blessed recipient of a gift.
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