Trumps Tariffs

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p_rehbein

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Are they going to strengthen our Economy, or weaken it?

Are they going to drive up the cost of pretty much everything?

IMO, they are going to end up hurting the average person. Especially low income people/families. There is no way the Manufacturers are going to "eat the rising cost" of producing their product(s). They are going to do what they always do, PASS IT ON!

Honestly, I do not understand Trumps thinking on this. Tariffs never help in the way those imposing them want. Buckle up and start cutting Coupons now..... sigh ...........
 

Intersection

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Are they going to strengthen our Economy, or weaken it?

Are they going to drive up the cost of pretty much everything?

IMO, they are going to end up hurting the average person. Especially low income people/families. There is no way the Manufacturers are going to "eat the rising cost" of producing their product(s). They are going to do what they always do, PASS IT ON!

Honestly, I do not understand Trumps thinking on this. Tariffs never help in the way those imposing them want. Buckle up and start cutting Coupons now..... sigh ...........
 

tourist

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I'm a Republican and I don't understand anything that Trump has done so far.

Starting to regret voting for him big-time.

I'm a vet and cannot understand why he is getting rid of 1000's a VA workers. I'm very disappointed right now.

For starters, he needs to show that guy Musk to the door. Guy has no legal authority to do anything and yet he is firing all kinds of people. Doesn't even know what these people actually do but fires away anyway.

He is making Trump look bad, of course, Trump usually makes himself look bad too.
 

Intersection

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I'm a Republican and I don't understand anything that Trump has done so far.

Starting to regret voting for him big-time.

I'm a vet and cannot understand why he is getting rid of 1000's a VA workers. I'm very disappointed right now.

For starters, he needs to show that guy Musk to the door. Guy has no legal authority to do anything and yet he is firing all kinds of people. Doesn't even know what these people actually do but fires away anyway.

He is making Trump look bad, of course, Trump usually makes himself look bad too.
Don't feel too bad and beat yourself up for voting for Donald Trump. I believe the United States empire is near its end and no matter who would have become President, they would have been used to restructure the economy.
 

gb9

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the dow started off the day over 500 points down. after it was announced that the gov. shut down would not be happening, those losses were erased, and the dow ended the day up over 600 points.

so, over an a 1100 point turnaround in about half a day, after it was learned that the gov would stay up and running.

so, was it just the tariffs that caused the downturn??

:unsure:
 

ZNP

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Are they going to strengthen our Economy, or weaken it?

Are they going to drive up the cost of pretty much everything?

IMO, they are going to end up hurting the average person. Especially low income people/families. There is no way the Manufacturers are going to "eat the rising cost" of producing their product(s). They are going to do what they always do, PASS IT ON!

Honestly, I do not understand Trumps thinking on this. Tariffs never help in the way those imposing them want. Buckle up and start cutting Coupons now..... sigh ...........
We have a 36 trillion debt, and no one is buying US debt. Half the countries are selling the US debt they have and the other half have stopped buying.

Meanwhile the banks are tapped out. They had bought US debt for the last few years so it is really US savings accounts that paid for US debt. However, the banks are now selling US dollars to buy gold. That means the rich elites are getting into the life rafts.

China's economy is also a mess, the UN released a report this week suggesting that China may have less than 400 million people. So much for the 1.2 billion. They base this estimate on cell phone usage and student enrollment. These are two very precise pieces of data, which although are not able to give us the exact number, it is hard to believe the estimate based on them is not very close.

When the US dollar collapses and that can be very soon, then the economic fallout will cause massive deaths worldwide.
 

Kroogz

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Honestly, I do not understand Trumps thinking on this. Tariffs never help in the way those imposing them want. Buckle up and start cutting Coupons now..... sigh ...........
Well, start getting after the countries that put tariffs on us that are completely out of line.

If you understood this......You would understand what President Trump is doing......He will win.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#8
Are they going to strengthen our Economy, or weaken it?

Are they going to drive up the cost of pretty much everything?

IMO, they are going to end up hurting the average person. Especially low income people/families. There is no way the Manufacturers are going to "eat the rising cost" of producing their product(s). They are going to do what they always do, PASS IT ON!

Honestly, I do not understand Trumps thinking on this. Tariffs never help in the way those imposing them want. Buckle up and start cutting Coupons now..... sigh ...........
I think that the value of the dollar will become more important than the move of production from Communist controlled slave labor to the USA.
The cost of energy and food are necessities. Rent, mortgage and or property taxes are more an issue than durable goods or cheaper stuff from China IMHO.
 

ZNP

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Honestly, I do not understand Trumps thinking on this. Tariffs never help in the way those imposing them want. Buckle up and start cutting Coupons now..... sigh ...........
It is simply conjecture about what Trump is thinking. But I can say that this is very much in line with what God will do at the end of the age. That which has been is that which shall be. Jesus cursed the fig tree and it withered up immediately and then He said that we could say to this mountain to be taken up and cast into the sea. I believe that mountain is a reference to the statue of Nebuchadnezzar depicting human empires and concluding with the Beast empire. I would liken the seven year tribulation to the trial, scourging and crucifixion of Jesus. Prior to that the Lord flipped the tables of the money changers. I think we can easily see that the US dollar is primed to be flipped off the table, that is why we see Gold breaking 3,000. People are selling US dollars to buy gold, that is the bottom line, and when they panic you will see a short squeeze on gold and silver while on the other hand you will see the total collapse of the US dollar.
 

MsMediator

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Well, start getting after the countries that put tariffs on us that are completely out of line.

If you understood this......You would understand what President Trump is doing......He will win.
Yes, I think he will eventually win since the U.S. has the strongest economy and can withstand these issues for a longer period than the other countries. The scenario is such that, the last man/country standing will win. It really depends on how long the people will tolerate high prices, high cost of living, etc.

I'm a Republican and I don't understand anything that Trump has done so far.

Starting to regret voting for him big-time.

I'm a vet and cannot understand why he is getting rid of 1000's a VA workers. I'm very disappointed right now.

For starters, he needs to show that guy Musk to the door. Guy has no legal authority to do anything and yet he is firing all kinds of people. Doesn't even know what these people actually do but fires away anyway.

He is making Trump look bad, of course, Trump usually makes himself look bad too.
Musk fired 80% of Twitter; that's the type of person he is.

The founding of the country is such that the people distrust the government. Trump/MAGA are just playing into simple psychology, easy enough for the masses to follow: the more anti-government and anti-federal employee, the more pro-American. In this view, pro-government and pro-federal employee cannot coexist with pro-American. It is best to keep the message simple, and easy to understand.
 

ResidentAlien

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#11
His tariff policies show his incredible ignorance. He's doubling down on the idea that it's a tax on other countries when in fact it's a tax on the US. Everyone seems to know this but him.
 

Cameron143

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I wonder what the other countries' leaders thought when they put tariffs on American goods.
Trump evil for applying tariffs. Every other nation good because they did it first.
 

Intersection

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His tariff policies show his incredible ignorance. He's doubling down on the idea that it's a tax on other countries when in fact it's a tax on the US. Everyone seems to know this but him.
By the time most people in the United States choose to admit the Empire is collapsing, and they want to do something about it, it will be too late for many to protect themselves.
 

ZNP

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By the time most people in the United States choose to admit the Empire is collapsing, and they want to do something about it, it will be too late for many to protect themselves.
It already is too late. The US had their chance to repent after 911 but by the Mortgage Meltdown it was clear they were not repenting. Judgment has been determined.
 

tourist

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Yes, I think he will eventually win since the U.S. has the strongest economy and can withstand these issues for a longer period than the other countries. The scenario is such that, the last man/country standing will win. It really depends on how long the people will tolerate high prices, high cost of living, etc.



Musk fired 80% of Twitter; that's the type of person he is.

The founding of the country is such that the people distrust the government. Trump/MAGA are just playing into simple psychology, easy enough for the masses to follow: the more anti-government and anti-federal employee, the more pro-American. In this view, pro-government and pro-federal employee cannot coexist with pro-American. It is best to keep the message simple, and easy to understand.
I totally concur with your estimation. I was never a MAGA, just an ordinary Republican. Seems that MAGA has turned into a cult with Trump as their leader. Kind of dangerous actually.
 

HeIsHere

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I totally concur with your estimation. I was never a MAGA, just an ordinary Republican. Seems that MAGA has turned into a cult with Trump as their leader. Kind of dangerous actually.
Very!
 

HeIsHere

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I'm a Republican and I don't understand anything that Trump has done so far.

Starting to regret voting for him big-time.

I'm a vet and cannot understand why he is getting rid of 1000's a VA workers. I'm very disappointed right now.

For starters, he needs to show that guy Musk to the door. Guy has no legal authority to do anything and yet he is firing all kinds of people. Doesn't even know what these people actually do but fires away anyway.

He is making Trump look bad, of course, Trump usually makes himself look bad too.
Yes, I tried to be objective and give it a wait and see, certainly he seemed like the better alternative on some things.

DOGE is not there to find fraud and trim the government bloat, there was already an agency to do that.

The only reason for firing some of the Inspector Generals is because DOGE plans and has done things and they do not want to be watched.

Avoiding accountability is a clear sign of their intent to habitually break the law.

Just firing common folk with a few strokes of the keyboard is disgusting.

The sad thing about the MAGA movement is that they actually have a lot of valid beliefs, and the momentum to drive real change in society - the emphasis on ending foreign wars and interventionism, reducing bloat and inefficiency in government, and prioritizing domestic industrial development over globalized fictionalization are all things people can get behind.

The reality now is it's all a grift.

All MAGA really stands for is the enrichment of its leadership, while its mass of supporters in the lower rungs of society blindly obey to own the Libs or something. :(:(
 

HeIsHere

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Yes, I think he will eventually win since the U.S. has the strongest economy and can withstand these issues for a longer period than the other countries. The scenario is such that, the last man/country standing will win. It really depends on how long the people will tolerate high prices, high cost of living, etc.
Yes, but since the USA is showing itself to not want to work this out at the negotiating table but rather acts and speaks erratically it will not be USA vis-a-vis China, but rather the USA and a block of other countries.

As well, this is all tied to geopolitics, shipping lanes and preserving its hegemony.

The USA does not have the capacity right now to make the sophisticated chips required to maintain its supremacy which could pose a problem if it continues to bring unto itself hostility.