Will The Actual Calvinists Here Please Stand Up?

[bluejean_bible]

Re "because of Calvin’s systematic theology, written down in his 'Institutes of the Christian Religion' 82 years before that Synod of Dort, the Synod could summarise its response to The Remonstrance of the followers of Arminius": Calvin's theology was not very systematic if it did not incorporate and harmonize with Scriptures teaching MFW and God's omnilove.

There is no actual free will as some understand the term. I think scripture allows for that understanding.

 

[Kroogz]

But we do know who the elect are, whosoever will, and anyone CAN be saved.

BINGO! It's amazing how this truth is being attacked in this world. Even many solid believers seem to be wary to stick with the truth. And try to ride the fence.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Jesus, and others in Scripture call us "the Elect". I'm pretty comfortable with having that label put on me.


BTW, what's a Calvinist?

Here we go!!!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

There are some.

I voted no and im not a calvinist. The reason this word brings out animosity is because of the view of God that calvinism gives.

God simply does not give people the opportunity to be saved in calvinism, their fate is sealed through no fault of their own. They are victims in God's world. Like a man playing with ants using a magnifying glass. God cursed them with the original sin and sin nature, and they cannot repent, they dont want to repent, there is no possibility for them to repent, they cannot believe the gospel to be saved. So not only are people suffering the original sin and its consequences in the physical, bad health, aging, dying, pain, they will also be tormented for eternity and there is nothing they could do about it.

So your definition would totally be my take on Calvinism. Although I have close friends that believe part or all of TULIP, there are things I can't get past. I totally would agree with your view of Calvinism.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Regardless if someone's Calvinists or not its does not change or determine if a person will go to heaven or not. Thank God he's the judge and not us humans. We can have bad doctrine and still be Christians. Corrie ten Boom and her family are Calvinist and I'm sure we will see her and her family in heaven.

I didn't know she was Calvinst. But I believe she will be in heaven. As will my friends that I disagree with but love dearly.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Mister Sir Coolness

Ok, I'd says that should be your name er, henceforth. But it's a bit long to write. How about MSC?

 

[GWH]

There is no actual free will as some understand the term. I think scripture allows for that understanding.

DT 30:19 & MT 23:37 require that understanding.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You're wrong again.

You give a bad look for what calls itself Christian.
And yet what you really are shows itself. It takes just a very little push to make the mask fall.

Wow, weren't you just cuffing the ears of people for their attitudes? I've known Sister Magenta here for a long time and the last thing anyone could do was question her faith. She is a genuine Christian, there is no doubt. That is what she "really is". And you owe her an apology. But that would require humbleness and a Christlike spirit. I'll be looking out for that apology.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Which would include follower of Christ = Christian. (See Gideon's post #48.)

I don't get this "I don't want to be called a Christian" movement. You're a follower of Christ, you're a Christian. Period, end of the issue.

 

[bluejean_bible]

DT 30:19 & MT 23:37 require that understanding.

Two factors preclude human autonomy. Our bondage to sin. And God's absolute Dominion and Sovereignty.

I think these passages lead to that understanding.
Isaiah 46:9-11, Daniel 4:35, Proverbs 16:4, Psalm 33:10-11, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 8:28. Just a few.

 

[Gideon300]

But we do know who the elect are, whosoever will, and anyone CAN be saved.

We do not know who is is willing. Why do you think Peter said, "Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble".

God predestines according to foreknowledge. We do not have that knowledge. So we preach the gospel to all that we can. Or at least my wife and I do. Tell me what "Many are called but few are chosen" means.

 

[Aaron56]

Saints = believers = Christians in my Bible.

Yeah. It’s a message for mature believers. There are a lot of believers who have difficulty examining many traditions.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

We do not know who is is willing. Why do you think Peter said, "Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble".

God predestines according to foreknowledge. We do not have that knowledge. So we preach the gospel to all that we can. Or at least my wife and I do. Tell me what "Many are called but few are chosen" means.

You don't know who is willing until you preach the Gospel.

 

[bluejean_bible]

We do not know who is is willing. Why do you think Peter said, "Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble".

God predestines according to foreknowledge. We do not have that knowledge. So we preach the gospel to all that we can. Or at least my wife and I do. Tell me what "Many are called but few are chosen" means.

I think that means what we witness from charlatan television pastors. And those who identify as the faithful but are hypocrites. Name alone believers.

While those who are chosen are God's Elect. God's leading,his words in scripture and in prayer,resonate within. Life takes a pause and suddenly,there he is. Life stops. Even when you're walking into your kitchen ready to put up the groceries. Suddenly, that plan evaporates. And you fall to your knees and let him in.
That's what it means.

 

[Mem]

Is that also considering there is the belief we are all born dead in Sin?
Does that verse say murderers cannot be redeemed and enter God's grace and salvation?

Is repenting of your murders part of accepting God's grace and salvation? For example, justifying your murders by claiming that you could not help but do whatever you willed because it wasn't God's will that you didn't is just a patronization of God's will.

 

[DavidLamb]

Saints = believers = Christians in my Bible.

I agree. We are told:

“And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” (Ac 11:26 NKJV)

 

[NightTwister]

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to devolve like it always does.

 

[DavidLamb]

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to devolve like it always does.

Devolve into what?

 

[NightTwister]

Devolve into what?

Name calling, false witness, etc.

 

[DavidLamb]

Name calling, false witness, etc.

Thanks. I have seen posts discussing what a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ should be called, but not name-calling in any derogatory sense.