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Not to nic pick, but Christ is not in everyone, only in those that have yielded to Him making Him Lord of their lives.
is that so?
that's not what scripture says.

but it makes the pietists look good.
 
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Here we go excusing sin. "I did not mean to do it, it was an accident! or worst yet, "Satan made me do it" Excusing sin is wrong. There are no such things as accidental sins. If our minds or flesh were not tempted to do it in the first place. we would never have done it.
This is strange coming from one that believes all believers are sinful, and that is ok by God.
 
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JESUS COULD HAVE SINNED?
oh my goodness.

God manifest in the flesh.
ABHORENT OF SIN.
condescended to dwell among men to fulfill His Righteous Legal requirements.

"could have sinned" but chose not to.

i wonder....do you know why Jesus sweat blood in Gethsemane?
what was the internal pressure that caused such anguish?
Of course Jesus could have sinned. He was tempted in all ways as we are. Temptation is not temptation without the ability to sin. However He was without sin, and just as He overcame sin in His own flesh Christ in me can overcome sin in my flesh
 

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Of course Jesus could have sinned. He was tempted in all ways as we are. Temptation is not temptation without the ability to sin. However He was without sin, and just as He overcame sin in His own flesh Christ in me can overcome sin in my flesh
yes of course...THE NEW BREED.
the many-membered manchild.
The Manifest sons of God.
The Latter Rain Kids.

and, since it was possible for God manifest in the flesh to sin (blasphemy), and you are becoming sinless, just like Him, well.....perhaps you might consider what Seymour did: wear a shoebox on your head to shield us from your glory.

if you say so, sir.

 
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yes of course...THE NEW BREED.
the many-membered manchild.
The Manifest sons of God.
The Latter Rain Kids.

and, since it was possible for God manifest in the flesh to sin (blasphemy), and you are becoming sinless, just like Him, well.....perhaps you might consider what Seymour did: wear a shoebox on your head to shield us from your glory.

if you say so, sir.
First of all you have made quite a list of beliefs you suppose to be incorrect, but none of them have anything to so with me. Secondly the only glory I have is Christ in me ;)

Lastly you didnt answer my question....''do you think Jesus dwells in every single person in this world?''
 

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This is strange coming from one that believes all believers are sinful, and that is ok by God.
hi 4runner.
just reading about your religion again today....is it fun?



The NEW ORDER OF THE LATTER RAIN
Their history and legacy

There is nothing new under the sun said Solomon, this goes as well for the new “prophets /apostles movement that can be traced to late 1940's revival called The “New Order of the Latter Rain”. From the Latter Rain Movement brought birth to numerous teachings such as the Manifested Sons of God heresy. This movement which brought havoc and was renounced by the Assemblies of God in 1949. Although it was removed and faded, it has resurfaced with a face lift and these same teachings have come back with a vengeance taking on a life of their own.

David W. Myland In 1907 seems to have coined the term “Latter Rain Movement” first, in a book of songs entitled “Latter Rain Songs.” In 1910 Myland wrote his book “The Latter Rain Covenant” in which he tried to associate the rainfall in Israel, with the manifestations of the Holy Spirit that occurred at Azusa. He also wrote of the concept of deeper truth in the Scripture and different levels of interpretation.

The Latter Rain revival first began in Canada at Sharon Orphanage and School, a young woman at the Bible school prophesied that a great revival was about to come Ernest Hawtin tells that the very next day, it did just that as the Holy Spirit fell with great power.

It was called “The Last Great Outpouring that was to consummate God's Plans on this Earth.”

They had been prepped by previously read Franklin Hall's book, “Atomic Power with God Through Fasting, and Prayer”, and began to practice his method of fasting. Hall believed the Church was hindered in power and answered prayer, he claimed that even the prayers of pagans would be answered if they fasted.

His solution, by fasting for long periods, Christians can receive a powerful anointing that would be that they would never be sick and would lead certain “overcomers” to holiness by stages of spiritual transformation who would attain sinless perfection and immortality.

That an immortal substance from Christ would come upon their bodies, a golden substance visible to all, (gold flakes and teeth?) that would glorify them and people would see and feel the fire of the Holy Spirit. He taught a BODY-FELT salvation - the fire of God, the glory, had to be applied to the body for thirty days and would purge out all sickness, tiredness and weakness of the flesh and bring them to immortalization. These Perfected believers would experience power over the forces of gravity, they could teleport to wherever they wished. And there were practical benefits to this spiritual state where their clothes would not wear out, they would have no body odour, so they would never need to wash.

New Order of the Latter Rain





2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


sometimes i wonder if people know what the lie is.
if they know what Truth God is concerned with.
if they know what He means by unrighteousness.
 
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hi 4runner.
just reading about your religion again today....is it fun?
Thats nice, but I have no religion.... so whats your answer, does Jesus dwell in every single person?
 
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His solution, by fasting for long periods, Christians can receive a powerful anointing that would be that they would never be sick and would lead certain “overcomers” to holiness by stages of spiritual transformation who would attain sinless perfection and immortality.
Well I agreeing with this guy up to the immortality point. We will all die, unless Jesus returns first.
 
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11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You realize you have partaken in this strong delusion right. The delusion is believing you can be saved from Hell without being Saved from your sin
 

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First of all you have made quite a list of beliefs you suppose to be incorrect, but none of them have anything to so with me. Secondly the only glory I have is Christ in me ;)

Lastly you didnt answer my question....''do you think Jesus dwells in every single person in this world?''
first of all...i'm not really interested in rummaging around in the archives room anymore.
you've stated your beliefs enough here. they all match, because you've made posts and threads yourself.

i wonder why you don't have the courage of your convictions though, and continue to pretend on one thread you think one thing, then deny it on another.
obfuscation is the word of the day i reckon.

me, i say what i mean and mean what i say. easier that way to remember what i've said.

but HEY! you're a free agent. you make things interesting. and it just happens to coincide with my personal interests in the matter.

so...in a sense, we work well together don't we.:D

as for you having Christ's glory in you? well i reckon there are some who would agree with you.

lastly, i didn't see your question: ''do you think Jesus dwells in every single person in this world?''

the answer is no.
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

Not to nic pick, but Christ is not in everyone, only in those that have yielded to Him making Him Lord of their lives.
is that so?
that's not what scripture says.

but it makes the pietists look good.
You disagreed with me here but then agreed with me later.

lastly, i didn't see your question: ''do you think Jesus dwells in every single person in this world?''

the answer is no.
Whatever happened to sticking to your conviction?
i wonder why you don't have the courage of your convictions though, and continue to pretend on one thread you think one thing, then deny it on another.
obfuscation is the word of the day i reckon.

me, i say what i mean and mean what i say. easier that way to remember what i've said.
Seems like you did a little flip flop here?????
 

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You realize you have partaken in this strong delusion right. The delusion is believing you can be saved from Hell without being Saved from your sin
well, you're wrong about the first part.
but you're right about the second part.

the only problem is, you have rejected God's way of saving us from wrath...the wages of our sin.
for that is what we are saved from my friend.

that salvation is by Grace, through Faith in the Finished Work of someone called JESUS...you remember Him, right?
He did play a role in the matter...if i remember correctly it is JESUS God is pleased with.

but carry on working. you'll receive your pay.
 

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Well I agreeing with this guy up to the immortality point. We will all die, unless Jesus returns first.
right.
dying perfectly sinless and perfectly righteous.
sweet. you'll be able to sit down with The Lord and boast for eternity about how well you did.

hey 4runner....since you'll be wearing your own garment to the wedding, that means the Father who provides the garments will have an extra garment to clothe another in Christ's Righteousness....i'll let the next person i see know, cool?
 
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You call it mistakes not me. I call it sin....some people...
Really?

4runner said:
Sinless and perfect is not the same thing. Sinless means that we do not sin. Perfect means you are incapable if mistakes. I believe we can live sinlessly, but we have not endured until the end until we are dead or Jesus returns.
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Ok we're finally getting to the meat of the issue.

Mistakes meaning accidental sins?

Right?
4runner said:
Yes. We are able to live without making them, yet if we do we can be forgiven. 1st John 2:1
So why dont you give us an example of a 'mistake'? Which is somehow different from a real sin.
 
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As a matter of fact I have
Hows that working out then?

Commited any 'accidental sins' recently? Or have you become PERFECT?

We still need a definition of accidental sins. Give us an example would ya?