The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system
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“ Replacement “ what do you exactly mean by this ?
Does it seem like something you’re hearing here ?
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
If “replacement theology “ means that God stated many times in prophecy to israel he was going to slay them but for a small remnant and choose another people to fill his kingdom I agree because the prophets foretold it and Jesus explained it many times like above there .
You have to admit that this means someone who used to be the people are now being “ replaced “ with a different people correct ?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Those parables he tells them always lead to conclusions of what he’s teaching them in the parable . Israel are the chosen ones who rejected the prophets calling them to repentance and then rejected the latter prophets and then finally rejected their promised messiah and who he declared he would destroy them and choose another people to fill his kingdom.
i don’t see a reason to call it “ replacement theology “ it’s just what Jesus and the ot prophets said would happen after they rejected the messiah
here’s another parable teaching the same thing
“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
Matthew 22:2-10 KJV
after Israel rejected the law prophets and gospel it was sent to all peoples in the world offering them all salvation and whoever accepts the invitation will be saved and will be the children of God in his eternal kingdom.
it doesn’t matter to God in the New Testament since Jesus died and rose what our flesh and bloodlines are it’s irrelevant now. Male female black who’re Asian or some strange new color ….the gospel is the only covenant before us now the only way is faith in Jesus many of jacobs descendants will not be saved but all of Abraham’s seed of promise , Israel , shall be saved
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
The old covenant was broken and became a curse like he told them it would but he’s made a new covenant that can save them and everyone else if we accept Jesus and the gospel regardless of flesh and blood lines of relation
Does it seem like something you’re hearing here ?
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
If “replacement theology “ means that God stated many times in prophecy to israel he was going to slay them but for a small remnant and choose another people to fill his kingdom I agree because the prophets foretold it and Jesus explained it many times like above there .
You have to admit that this means someone who used to be the people are now being “ replaced “ with a different people correct ?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Those parables he tells them always lead to conclusions of what he’s teaching them in the parable . Israel are the chosen ones who rejected the prophets calling them to repentance and then rejected the latter prophets and then finally rejected their promised messiah and who he declared he would destroy them and choose another people to fill his kingdom.
i don’t see a reason to call it “ replacement theology “ it’s just what Jesus and the ot prophets said would happen after they rejected the messiah
here’s another parable teaching the same thing
“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
Matthew 22:2-10 KJV
after Israel rejected the law prophets and gospel it was sent to all peoples in the world offering them all salvation and whoever accepts the invitation will be saved and will be the children of God in his eternal kingdom.
it doesn’t matter to God in the New Testament since Jesus died and rose what our flesh and bloodlines are it’s irrelevant now. Male female black who’re Asian or some strange new color ….the gospel is the only covenant before us now the only way is faith in Jesus many of jacobs descendants will not be saved but all of Abraham’s seed of promise , Israel , shall be saved
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
The old covenant was broken and became a curse like he told them it would but he’s made a new covenant that can save them and everyone else if we accept Jesus and the gospel regardless of flesh and blood lines of relation
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two questions, not three
please read:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...greeing-with-the-rapture.218022/#post-5449280
please read:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...greeing-with-the-rapture.218022/#post-5449280
Please read these groups of posts:
https://christianchat.com/conspirac...m/wars-and-rumors-of-war.196408/#post-4450502 (post #9)
https://christianchat.com/conspirac...m/wars-and-rumors-of-war.196408/#post-4451797 (post #11)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152528 (post #143)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152533 (post #144)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152544 (post #145)
https://christianchat.com/conspirac...m/wars-and-rumors-of-war.196408/#post-4450502 (post #9)
https://christianchat.com/conspirac...m/wars-and-rumors-of-war.196408/#post-4451797 (post #11)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152528 (post #143)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152533 (post #144)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152544 (post #145)
Start here:
Isaiah 65:
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isaiah 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2 Peter 3:
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Isaiah 65:
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isaiah 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2 Peter 3:
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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Start here:
Isaiah 65:
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isaiah 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2 Peter 3:
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Isaiah 65:
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isaiah 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2 Peter 3:
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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Do some study....
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
The thief was told he would be with Jesus.
There is NO Comma's in the original text.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
He told him that day. On that day Jesus told him.....
When Jesus died He rested on the sabbath and rose on Sunday morning.
He had not ascended to heaven on Friday or Saturday so it was impossible for the thief to be with Jesus in heaven on that day.
Jesus was lying or the common was in the wrong place.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
So that day he was not with Jesus in paradise.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
The thief was told he would be with Jesus.
There is NO Comma's in the original text.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
He told him that day. On that day Jesus told him.....
When Jesus died He rested on the sabbath and rose on Sunday morning.
He had not ascended to heaven on Friday or Saturday so it was impossible for the thief to be with Jesus in heaven on that day.
Jesus was lying or the common was in the wrong place.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
So that day he was not with Jesus in paradise.
I agree that the nations are on the earth.
The second coming will destroy all unbelievers and the earth will be desolate.
At the end of the 1000 years is the 2nd resurrection.
The earth will be full of people again, and the devil will rally them together against the Holy city.
Joh 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
All will be raised.
2 resurrections.
Rev 20:5-6
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
First resurrection at the second coming.
Second resurrection after the 1000 years.
Notice how the devil is loosed at the same time the people are raised.. verse 7.
The second coming will destroy all unbelievers and the earth will be desolate.
At the end of the 1000 years is the 2nd resurrection.
The earth will be full of people again, and the devil will rally them together against the Holy city.
Joh 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
All will be raised.
2 resurrections.
Rev 20:5-6
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
First resurrection at the second coming.
Second resurrection after the 1000 years.
Notice how the devil is loosed at the same time the people are raised.. verse 7.
Luke 23:
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Magenta is correct - in the context of the above verse, 'paradise' is not [the 3rd] heaven.
You need to do some study. But, before you do that - why do you not believe the words of Jesus?
If He said the thief would be with Him in paradise that day - you can believe it - the thief was with Him in paradise that day - period.
You just need a better understanding of what Jesus was talking about.
Jesus died on a Wednesday around 3 P.M. - was buried before the sun went down - and was in the grave/tomb for three full days.
Matthew 12:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mark 8:
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
John 2:
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
He was. Believe it.
The 'paradise' that Jesus referred to was (at that time) "in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40).
Study.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Magenta is correct - in the context of the above verse, 'paradise' is not [the 3rd] heaven.
You need to do some study. But, before you do that - why do you not believe the words of Jesus?
If He said the thief would be with Him in paradise that day - you can believe it - the thief was with Him in paradise that day - period.
You just need a better understanding of what Jesus was talking about.
Jesus died on a Wednesday around 3 P.M. - was buried before the sun went down - and was in the grave/tomb for three full days.
Matthew 12:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mark 8:
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
John 2:
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
He was. Believe it.
The 'paradise' that Jesus referred to was (at that time) "in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40).
Study.
They never leave - on earth the whole time - even during the 1000 years.
I do not believe that 100% of the earth will be desolate - only certain parts of it.
Yep.
The earth will have people on it for the whole 1000 years - no doubt starting [comparatively] low and rising up to an "as the sand of the sea" number by the end of the 1000 years.
Agree.
I do not see how/where you get this idea.
I do not believe that 100% of the earth will be desolate - only certain parts of it.
Yep.
The earth will have people on it for the whole 1000 years - no doubt starting [comparatively] low and rising up to an "as the sand of the sea" number by the end of the 1000 years.
Agree.
I do not see how/where you get this idea.