Understanding God’s election

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Cameron143

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The Spirit of God directs our path but ultimately we choose whether to listen and obey. If we truly did literally listen and obey then the Church would not look like the world as it does in this day and age.
You argue against yourself. To keep the law we need the Spirit, thereby working obedience in us.
Like most who emphasize the keeping of the law, you do not recognize that it is the Spirit that enables obedience, and not the will of men. Keeping the law outwardly may separate men from men, but as we know from Matthew 7:21-23, it does not separate them unto God.
But regardless of what I say, you will find preeminence in the law, and not in Christ. Again thanks for the discussion. Grace and peace.
 

rogerg

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Fulfil is mentioned immediately and then Jesus explains how it should still be preached and the one who preaches it will be Great in Heaven.
No, as they were fulfilled by Christ, therefore, those who do not teach Christ as Savior, but instead teach the law, are in violation and will not be amongst those counted as great in heaven.
 

BillyBob

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The Spirit of God directs our path but ultimately we choose whether to listen and obey. If we truly did literally listen and obey then the Church would not look like the world as it does in this day and age.
The law must be taught - for it teaches everyone how they should live. However, I pray that I am not judged on my ability to keep it! I would much rather be judged on my faith in Christ (who kept it perfectly).
 

lrs68

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You argue against yourself. To keep the law we need the Spirit, thereby working obedience in us.
Like most who emphasize the keeping of the law, you do not recognize that it is the Spirit that enables obedience, and not the will of men. Keeping the law outwardly may separate men from men, but as we know from Matthew 7:21-23, it does not separate them unto God.
But regardless of what I say, you will find preeminence in the law, and not in Christ. Again thanks for the discussion. Grace and peace.
I don't keep the Law, I am explaining why the LAW and understanding what the LAW is all about is what I am discussing.
 

lrs68

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No, as they were fulfilled by Christ, therefore, those who do not teach Christ as Savior, but instead teach the law, are in violation and will not be amongst those counted as great in heaven.
If what you said was true then preaching about the LAW until Heaven and earth pass away would not be mentioned. You are the perfect example of man made doctrine. Like a robot that talks about a single point but has no understanding of the connection between both Covenants.
 

lrs68

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The law must be taught - for it teaches everyone how they should live. However, I pray that I am not judged on my ability to keep it! I would much rather be judged on my faith in Christ (who kept it perfectly).
It's not about doing the things of the LAW but about what do these things you are doing mean.
 

rogerg

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If what you said was true then preaching about the LAW until Heaven and earth pass away would not be mentioned. You are the perfect example of man made doctrine. Like a robot that talks about a single point but has no understanding of the connection between both Covenants.
Not to preach about the law, but of it being fulfilled by Christ. And you do not understand the power and significance of Christ as The Savior
 

lrs68

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You are correct, It's about your lack of ability to live in the way it teaches!
No, it's about why are we eating a way that the rest of humanity is not. Or why are we doing to others in a certain way that the rest of humanity is not doing. It's not about that we can't do it but about what is the reason why we are learning it. Because it has a meaning beyond what we are doing. For one, it's doing something the rest of the world isn't doing.

Look at Christians. They are also separated from the world and living in a way unlike the world is living because we are different than the world when we are part of God.
 

Cameron143

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If what you said was true then preaching about the LAW until Heaven and earth pass away would not be mentioned. You are the perfect example of man made doctrine. Like a robot that talks about a single point but has no understanding of the connection between both Covenants.
Heaven and earth have not literally passed away, but the old order and power structure has. After the cross, heaven is purged of sin, and a king has been seated at the right hand of God who is able to open the scrolls. In Revelation we find this king possessing two new keys: death and hell. Who held these keys previously? A hint is found in Jesus' answer to Peter: upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
The language of Matthew 5:19 is de-creation language and not meant to be taken literally. Rather, it is language which supports a new creation that destroys the old creation or created order. All part of Jesus destroying the works of the devil that Jesus promised. The cross was the bruising of the head of the serpent. History has been witnessing his impotence in halting the growth of the church ever since.
There's a new sheriff in town...His name is Jesus.
 

lrs68

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Heaven and earth have not literally passed away, but the old order and power structure has. After the cross, heaven is purged of sin, and a king has been seated at the right hand of God who is able to open the scrolls. In Revelation we find this king possessing two new keys: death and hell. Who held these keys previously? A hint is found in Jesus' answer to Peter: upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
The language of Matthew 5:19 is de-creation language and not meant to be taken literally. Rather, it is language which supports a new creation that destroys the old creation or created order. All part of Jesus destroying the works of the devil that Jesus promised. The cross was the bruising of the head of the serpent. History has been witnessing his impotence in halting the growth of the church ever since.
There's a new sheriff in town...His name is Jesus.
This is good but it's not relating to why Jesus explained what He did concerning the LAW.