Making a case for women in leadership
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It was my son-in-law's birthday the other day and I have this quirk about looking up people that share birthdays, and he shared one with David Beckham. But from the time that I noticed, I haven't been able to help myself from coming here and thinking there's no one that can 'bend it like Beckworth.'
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Just a quick reminder because everyone is well aware of these Biblical facts or should be if you've spent at least 6 months attending a typical Church service and reading your Bible.
God used an Ark (boat) to restart humanity and destroy an evil attempt to destroy God's plan.
God used a Staff to become a serpent and eat up the magicians serpents. That same Staff also was used in parting the Red Sea, winning military battles, bringing water from a rock, and many more things.
God used a Bronze Serpent on a Staff to heal poisonous snake bites.
God used the Marching of 300 men to bring down the Walls of Jericho.
God used a Sling Shot and stones to kill a giant.
God used a Donkey to speak to his prophet.
God used a Jaw Bone to kill a 1,000 persons that were enemies of God and His Chosen People.
God used a Whale\Fish to encourage a man of God to preach and lead a City to Repentance.
God used a young girl to bring forth God in human form that would provide Salvation to the world.
God used Blindness to change a man's heart and position for the betterment of God's Plan.
God used a Shipwreck so an Island of people could hear about the Good News of Jesus and bring Healing.
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Time after time we see God using alternative Formats and Methods to bring a solution to His Plan whether it be to start over, provide for His Chosen People, win battles, bring Repentance, bring Salvation, get His Ultimate Plan accomplished.
So to limit God by thinking He won't use Women to Preach the Good News of Jesus Christ and create another way for humanity to learn about Him and come to Salvation would be a grevious error.
Sadly however, such errors and man made doctrine seem to be prevalent on these forums. That doesn't surprise me understanding such thinking occurs in many types of outlets.
God used an Ark (boat) to restart humanity and destroy an evil attempt to destroy God's plan.
God used a Staff to become a serpent and eat up the magicians serpents. That same Staff also was used in parting the Red Sea, winning military battles, bringing water from a rock, and many more things.
God used a Bronze Serpent on a Staff to heal poisonous snake bites.
God used the Marching of 300 men to bring down the Walls of Jericho.
God used a Sling Shot and stones to kill a giant.
God used a Donkey to speak to his prophet.
God used a Jaw Bone to kill a 1,000 persons that were enemies of God and His Chosen People.
God used a Whale\Fish to encourage a man of God to preach and lead a City to Repentance.
God used a young girl to bring forth God in human form that would provide Salvation to the world.
God used Blindness to change a man's heart and position for the betterment of God's Plan.
God used a Shipwreck so an Island of people could hear about the Good News of Jesus and bring Healing.
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Time after time we see God using alternative Formats and Methods to bring a solution to His Plan whether it be to start over, provide for His Chosen People, win battles, bring Repentance, bring Salvation, get His Ultimate Plan accomplished.
So to limit God by thinking He won't use Women to Preach the Good News of Jesus Christ and create another way for humanity to learn about Him and come to Salvation would be a grevious error.
Sadly however, such errors and man made doctrine seem to be prevalent on these forums. That doesn't surprise me understanding such thinking occurs in many types of outlets.
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Hi Beckworth, I'm not trying to drag you back into the thread but I figured an answer is in order. I completely agree that we are now living in the Last Days, and have been for about 2,000 years. But I disagree that 1 cor. 13: 10 has come to pass already. There is nothing in that passage indicating "that which is perfect" refers to the Bible; assuming so is quite the logical leap. The Bible wasn't even available to the common man until about 500 years ago. And if you were to read on to the conclusion of the chapter, it says those things won't be needed once we "know as we are known". If you can tell me how many hairs on your head I'm all ears, because Jesus knows..... we do not yet know like that.
You won't convince me that the gifts have ceased because I have seen them in action, and it is marvelous to behold. If you feel the Devil can still do supernatural works then I don't see why you think God can't; His arm will not be shortened.
As far as "usurping authority" goes, only the moderators have any official authority here. I'm very thankful you are not among them. I'm thankful I am not either. But we do have actual pastors here, true ministers of the word of God who follow His direction to pray for the sick, comfort the weary, encourage the downtrodden and minister His word in accordance with James 3: 17 . The day I see you doing ANY of that, I will start taking you more seriously. But so far I have only seen you argue and condemn. The fact that you use out-of- context scripture to do so is irrelevant; arguably worse.
But I am sorry that you have been hurt by name-calling. I agree it's not necessary. There are members here whose wisdom would be more powerful if they refrained from that.
Anyways.... my issues with you have nothing to do with your opinion on women and leadership. My own pastor would probably never allow a woman to preach a sermon, and I respect that.
My issue with you is that your behavior on this site is VASTLY different from the way you say a woman should behave in a public assembly. We have "private messaging" here for a reason.... anything you post on the forums IS public, like it or not. And the early church often assembled in private homes, so that argument doesn't hold water either.
I wish you all the best, I hope you know that I'm not trying to make you feel bad. It's fine if we disagree. The difference seems to be that if I disagree with you I'm going to hell, whereas if you disagree with me I'm also going to hell. Same for the male members too; you claim all men are above women, but when a man disagrees with you he's hearing from the devil. I'd be curious to know if you've ever actually learned anything from a man on this site. I have learned much.
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Nichole
You won't convince me that the gifts have ceased because I have seen them in action, and it is marvelous to behold. If you feel the Devil can still do supernatural works then I don't see why you think God can't; His arm will not be shortened.
As far as "usurping authority" goes, only the moderators have any official authority here. I'm very thankful you are not among them. I'm thankful I am not either. But we do have actual pastors here, true ministers of the word of God who follow His direction to pray for the sick, comfort the weary, encourage the downtrodden and minister His word in accordance with James 3: 17 . The day I see you doing ANY of that, I will start taking you more seriously. But so far I have only seen you argue and condemn. The fact that you use out-of- context scripture to do so is irrelevant; arguably worse.
But I am sorry that you have been hurt by name-calling. I agree it's not necessary. There are members here whose wisdom would be more powerful if they refrained from that.
Anyways.... my issues with you have nothing to do with your opinion on women and leadership. My own pastor would probably never allow a woman to preach a sermon, and I respect that.
My issue with you is that your behavior on this site is VASTLY different from the way you say a woman should behave in a public assembly. We have "private messaging" here for a reason.... anything you post on the forums IS public, like it or not. And the early church often assembled in private homes, so that argument doesn't hold water either.
I wish you all the best, I hope you know that I'm not trying to make you feel bad. It's fine if we disagree. The difference seems to be that if I disagree with you I'm going to hell, whereas if you disagree with me I'm also going to hell. Same for the male members too; you claim all men are above women, but when a man disagrees with you he's hearing from the devil. I'd be curious to know if you've ever actually learned anything from a man on this site. I have learned much.
Best-
Nichole
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