What are you eating?

[AnandaHya]

Matthew 15:10-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

the Pharisees still get offended by the saying...it is not flesh or what we eat, or do, or read, or see that saves but the Spirit and if we follow God. God does NOT lead us into sin so that saying is not an excuse to sin either but a call to look at the world with spiritual eyes and not as the fleshly world sees it.

 

[AnandaHya]

Some days we just gotta MOVE while TODAY is still TODAY!

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[Laodicea]

Matthew 15:10-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

the Pharisees still get offended by the saying...it is not flesh or what we eat, or do, or read, or see that saves but the Spirit and if we follow God. God does NOT lead us into sin so that saying is not an excuse to sin either but a call to look at the world with spiritual eyes and not as the fleshly world sees it.

People often misquote this verse into thinking that they can now eat unclean food.

1 Corinthians 6:19
(19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Romans 12:1
(1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
3 John 1:2
(2) Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Our bodies do not belong to us they belong to God and He expects us to take care of His property.

1 Corinthians 10:31
(31) Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

 

[lil_christian]

People often misquote this verse into thinking that they can now eat unclean food.

Acts 10:11-16

11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

 

[lil_christian]

I don't know how exactly you can misquote this

 

[Strangelove]

God defined clean and unclean in Genesis 7:2 long before Moses. Since you think there is no unclean food so you believe we can eat anything?

Yes we can eat any food.

So God told Noah what is a good animal for sacrifice, so what?

How does that overide the NT?

 

[Laodicea]

Acts 10:11-16

11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

This is another favourite verse that people often misquote. The Bible can be misquoted by only reading part of the story, although people may have good intentions but reading part of something can be misleading.
Acts 10:28
(28) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Acts 11:5-11
(5) I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
(6) Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
(7) And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
(8) But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
(9) But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
(10) And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
(11) And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.

This vision was not about food but, people of other nations who the Jews called unclean. Also if people think that it is ok to eat unclean food then we can eat dog, cat, rats, and cockroaches which were also considered unclean. If there is nothing unclean then the Bible contradicts itself in the NT when the Bible says God wants us to be in health and to look after God's property (our bodies)

 

[Strangelove]

Acts 11:5-11
(5) I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
(6) Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
(7) And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
(8) But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
(9) But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
(10) And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
(11) And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.

This vision was not about food but, people of other nations who the Jews called unclean. Also if people think that it is ok to eat unclean food then we can eat dog, cat, rats, and cockroaches which were also considered unclean. If there is nothing unclean then the Bible contradicts itself in the NT when the Bible says God wants us to be in health and to look after God's property (our bodies)

This was about food. Undeniable.

Where are Christians told that dog, cat, rats, and cockroaches are unclean for them to eat?

 

[Laodicea]

This was about food. Undeniable.

Where are Christians told that dog, cat, rats, and cockroaches are unclean for them to eat?

So do you think that verse 28 does not exist? Maybe you don't want to give up your unclean food and are making excuses? Where are they told to eat pig?

 

[Strangelove]

So do you think that verse 28 does not exist? Maybe you don't want to give up your unclean food and are making excuses? Where are they told to eat pig?

Huh?

Verse 28?

What verse?

There is no unclean food. Bacon is yummy. Pork chops too.

 

[Muskokaman]

This was about food. Undeniable.

Where are Christians told that dog, cat, rats, and cockroaches are unclean for them to eat?

The above quoted scripture were pertaining to the gentiles which Peter was reforming in Christ
That is why God said Arise Peter slay and eat it was a metaphor pertaining to Peters own reluctance to bring gentiles into the church not food itself!

 

[Laodicea]

Huh?

Verse 28?

What verse?

There is no unclean food. Bacon is yummy. Pork chops too.

Acts 10:28 read it and explain it

 

[zone]

You are what you eat they say.., well., I am led to believe this is true of those of us who pursue knowledge of false doctrines.

I know those of you who do it think you do well to do so and reveal these lies however it is not so.., you spend alot of time studying false doctrines and it has become your nourishment

God doesn't want us studying false doctrines.., we don't do well exposing lies., we do well speaking the truth and refuting the lies with the truth

Take your eyes of the evil things of this world and turn them back upon God.., know that he will expose the lies when they are being spoken

Saturate your mind in the things of God., not the things of this world. Be wise in the matters of God and not the things of this world

what lies?
there are lies?
there are false doctrines?

how do you know?

and who in this world who is attempting to refute false doctrine doesn't REFUTE IT WITH TRUTH?

oh well.........just so easy.
easy easy easy.

just leave the brothers in cults, because we don't want to understand why they are cults or how they hurt people.
that would be wrong.

we'll just hope they get the truth somehow and manage to find out what they believed was false.

cool......so.

what do i say to my neighbour who is Christian Science?
anything?

what is Christian Science?

who cares, really. too bad for them

 

[Muskokaman]

Acts 10:28 read it and explain it

Here you read it and tell me if you do not come to the same conclusion

1And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

2And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
4But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


God was making a point with peters vision while in trance about the disciples lack of interest in bringing gentiles into the church as this was considered a heresy by the Jews of the day.

 

[Laodicea]

Here you read it and tell me if you do not come to the same conclusion

1And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

2And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
4But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


God was making a point with peters vision while in trance about the disciples lack of interest in bringing gentiles into the church as this was considered a heresy by the Jews of the day.

Amen, it is talking about gentiles not food. What was unclean in the ot is unclean in the nt

 

[AnandaHya]

seriously? I wonder how you reason away these verses then?

Romans 14:3
Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.

 

[Laodicea]

seriously? I wonder how you reason away these verses then?

Romans 14:3
Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.

In these verses he is talking about our conscience not about what is clean and unclean.
Romans 14:4-5
(4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
(5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

 

[NitzWalsh]

Amen, it is talking about gentiles not food. What was unclean in the ot is unclean in the nt

If it's not okay to eat pork can you explain to me why the Bible says this...

Mark 7:17-19 (ESV)
And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”

1 Timothy 4:1-4 (ESV)
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.

Colossians 2:16 (ESV)
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

 

[Laodicea]

If it's not okay to eat pork can you explain to me why the Bible says this...

Mark 7:17-19 (ESV)
And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”

Matthew 15:16-20
(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Mark 7:2-5
(2) And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
(3) For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
(4) And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
(5) Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

1 Timothy 4:1-4 (ESV)
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.

Genesis 1:29
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Colossians 2:16 (ESV)
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

This is talking about food eaten during the ceremonial feasts, Jesus put an end to the ceremonial feasts.
Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Abiding]

It was double. food and people. Peter was eating with the gentiles, what do you think they served? bagals?
Of coarse it was also about gentiles, thats what the whole unclean food was signifying to begin with.