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“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30 KJV
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, (That’s who Jesus is )
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
….So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:15-16, 19 KJV
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 42:8 KJV
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
Isaiah 43:10-11 KJV
So then
God was manifest in the flesh, (That’s who Jesus is not a different being but the same spiritual being in another form manifest in the flesh as a man on earth )
We should accept the son as the father because the son is God our creator manifest in the flesh of a man to beaming us and call us to repentance and belief in him
“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:23 KJV
after jesus died he returned to the glory he’s always had beforehand and after
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:4-5
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
John 20:28-29 KJV
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30
“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:7-9 KJV
We can’t physically see the father in heaven but we could physically see Jesus who is God manifest in the flesh , and by this onow and see the father in heaven who had come to dwell
Among his people in thier form and become thier high priest and intercessor
I think the question is Does it make God a different person because he is manifest in the flesh of a man ? Or is it the same God manifest in a visible form fulfilling a different role which man had failed ourselves to fulfill ? I personally believe Jesus is God who was born as one of us on earth in order to intercede and save his creation
That he is One God who was manifest to us in his Son jesus which is why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so important it’s the true understanding of our God so we can know him
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
John 10:30 KJV
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, (That’s who Jesus is )
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
….So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:15-16, 19 KJV
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 42:8 KJV
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
Isaiah 43:10-11 KJV
So then
God was manifest in the flesh, (That’s who Jesus is not a different being but the same spiritual being in another form manifest in the flesh as a man on earth )
We should accept the son as the father because the son is God our creator manifest in the flesh of a man to beaming us and call us to repentance and belief in him
“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:23 KJV
after jesus died he returned to the glory he’s always had beforehand and after
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:4-5
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
John 20:28-29 KJV
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30
“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:7-9 KJV
We can’t physically see the father in heaven but we could physically see Jesus who is God manifest in the flesh , and by this onow and see the father in heaven who had come to dwell
Among his people in thier form and become thier high priest and intercessor
I think the question is Does it make God a different person because he is manifest in the flesh of a man ? Or is it the same God manifest in a visible form fulfilling a different role which man had failed ourselves to fulfill ? I personally believe Jesus is God who was born as one of us on earth in order to intercede and save his creation
That he is One God who was manifest to us in his Son jesus which is why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so important it’s the true understanding of our God so we can know him
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
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Yes, so the presence of a father necessitates the existence of a son.
So, when Paul said to the Corinthians "for though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." he's not talking about physical birth, of course.
This is a father with sons in the faith.
Just like Paul addressed Timothy:
"To Timothy, a true son in the faith..."
We tend to be fine with the idea that God the Father sent the Son who is Jesus Christ.
But then Jesus said this:
So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
So Jesus, like His Father, sent out His sons in the same manner in which He was sent (not for the same purpose but in the same manner).
They were charged with this familiar commandment "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you"
Immediately after, He breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit." This was the equipping of all who were to be sent.
The disciples and Paul did not have a plan B for discipling others. They followed the pattern of Jesus Christ who taught them directly or Jesus Christ who taught them revelationally like Paul.
And in every case, at least in those cases as recorded in the scriptures, they had sons like God the Father had the Son.
Paul would even write to the Corinthians;
"Therefore I urge you, imitate me. For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord..."
When sons are neither male nor female in Christ, then all, men and women, may be included in the House of God. And their guarantee of being equipped for their ministry is found with God equipping Jesus and Jesus equipping the disciples. The family wealth is for all the sons and is apportioned according to their ministry need.
So, when Paul said to the Corinthians "for though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." he's not talking about physical birth, of course.
This is a father with sons in the faith.
Just like Paul addressed Timothy:
"To Timothy, a true son in the faith..."
We tend to be fine with the idea that God the Father sent the Son who is Jesus Christ.
But then Jesus said this:
So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
So Jesus, like His Father, sent out His sons in the same manner in which He was sent (not for the same purpose but in the same manner).
They were charged with this familiar commandment "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you"
Immediately after, He breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit." This was the equipping of all who were to be sent.
The disciples and Paul did not have a plan B for discipling others. They followed the pattern of Jesus Christ who taught them directly or Jesus Christ who taught them revelationally like Paul.
And in every case, at least in those cases as recorded in the scriptures, they had sons like God the Father had the Son.
Paul would even write to the Corinthians;
"Therefore I urge you, imitate me. For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord..."
When sons are neither male nor female in Christ, then all, men and women, may be included in the House of God. And their guarantee of being equipped for their ministry is found with God equipping Jesus and Jesus equipping the disciples. The family wealth is for all the sons and is apportioned according to their ministry need.
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or Deut 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord;
Mark 12:29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one;
or Deut 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord;
Mark 12:29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one;
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Amen!
The interesting fact is we know that Jesus claimed to be I AM in John Chapter 8 and I AM is the name of God told to Moses when God\Jesus (before He was known as Jesus) said to Moses I AM the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob:...
6 Moreover He said, I am Elohei Avicha, Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak, and Elohei Ya’akov. And Moshe hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon HaElohim.
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That is in Exodus Chapter 3.
Now look at what this same Elohim\God whose name is I AM in Chapter 3 claims His name is in Exodus Chapter 6 just 3 Chapters later:...
2 And Elohim spoke unto Moshe, and said unto him, I am Hashem;
3 And I appeared unto Avraham, unto Yitzchak, and unto Ya’akov, as El Shaddai, but by My Shem YHVH I did not make Myself known to them.
This is Jesus before Jesus was born of Mary saying He is Elohim and His name is I AM and YHVH or Most High God or all capital spelled LORD.
The interesting fact is we know that Jesus claimed to be I AM in John Chapter 8 and I AM is the name of God told to Moses when God\Jesus (before He was known as Jesus) said to Moses I AM the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob:...
6 Moreover He said, I am Elohei Avicha, Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak, and Elohei Ya’akov. And Moshe hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon HaElohim.
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That is in Exodus Chapter 3.
Now look at what this same Elohim\God whose name is I AM in Chapter 3 claims His name is in Exodus Chapter 6 just 3 Chapters later:...
2 And Elohim spoke unto Moshe, and said unto him, I am Hashem;
3 And I appeared unto Avraham, unto Yitzchak, and unto Ya’akov, as El Shaddai, but by My Shem YHVH I did not make Myself known to them.
This is Jesus before Jesus was born of Mary saying He is Elohim and His name is I AM and YHVH or Most High God or all capital spelled LORD.
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They were hung up on their own understanding of his words. He was not claiming to be the Father. But that's how they understood it.
They said>> “We are not going to stone you for a good deed but for blasphemy because you, a man, are claiming to be God.”
But that's not what he said at all. He corrected them and explained exactly how they were misunderstanding his claim.
"If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
Jesus replied, “I told you and you do not believe."
His claim was not that he was God, but that he was God's anointed-- the Christ. The son of God, in the same way we all can be considered sons (descendants/children) of God. He explained it with a question they didn't or couldn't or wouldn't answer>>
If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
---understand that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.”
Their response?
They attempted again to seize him, but he escaped their clutches.
They said>> “We are not going to stone you for a good deed but for blasphemy because you, a man, are claiming to be God.”
But that's not what he said at all. He corrected them and explained exactly how they were misunderstanding his claim.
"If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
Jesus replied, “I told you and you do not believe."
His claim was not that he was God, but that he was God's anointed-- the Christ. The son of God, in the same way we all can be considered sons (descendants/children) of God. He explained it with a question they didn't or couldn't or wouldn't answer>>
If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
---understand that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.”
Their response?
They attempted again to seize him, but he escaped their clutches.
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The thing that is interesting is we know for a fact most of the Disciples were fishermen who only dealt with the Jews because Gentiles were scum to them. Most Disciples were from Capernaum and historians prove only could speak Hebrew\Aramaic.
I wonder just how many words were not translated correctly because the Jews were willing to have the Blood of Christ cursed upon their children and children's children.
Just something I always think about.
I wonder just how many words were not translated correctly because the Jews were willing to have the Blood of Christ cursed upon their children and children's children.
Just something I always think about.
most likely, for nearly everyone back then, people were selfish, conditioned beforehand in their ways, wanting to hear & see what they wanted to hear & see which results in very quick doubt & disbelief. also, if someone saw someone else get healed by a miracle & he or she didn't get healed, that was a reason to disbelieve in God.
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Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” Born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. You are chosen to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. My soul will exult in my God, for He has clothed me with garments of salvation, and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness. Plus Isaiah 61 verse 10
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