Did God plan for man to fall to prove something to Satan and his angels?

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brightfame52

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Thinking now.. when God talked to Abraham to tell him what He was about to do. He said "I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” Why would GOD have to come down to see if He knows all? Yet He does..
So I take it from this comment, unless Im misunderstanding, you dont believe God knows all ?
 

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The unanswered question. And, the question never asked?

Was it good for God's plan for man to fall?

What was going on with God providing the Cross before man was created? (Revelation 13:8)

God created man knowing full well that man would fall.
And, His plan has been to glorify His name before all!

So, I ask.

Did God plan for man to fall?
Was it to prove something to Satan and his angels?



grace and peace............
I don't believe that it was God's plan for man to fail, rather God's plan for salvation went into effect after man sinned.
 

Genez

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I don't believe that it was God's plan for man to fail, rather God's plan for salvation went into effect after man sinned.
Yet, it says that Jesus died on the Cross for the sins of the world before man was yet created!

It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not
been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.


Revelation 13:7-8
 
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Yet, it says that Jesus died on the Cross for the sins of the world before man was yet created!

It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not
been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.


Revelation 13:7-8
Satan is lord of this world,still.
He roams about like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour,still.
 
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How could God create a real life?
While it is a small thing that some might think to call it trivial yet to say that life is created is to say that there was no living thing prior to the waters bringing forth the moving creature that had life. Yet the waters upon the earth were void of life until the Spirit of God walked upon the waters.
 
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Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

20And God said, “Let the waters teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse
of the sky.” 21So God created the great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters
teemed according to their kinds, and every winged bird after its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters of the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”

23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

 
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He knows the end from the beginning. That’s part of His nature.
Yeah but how does He know the end from the beginning ? Isaiah wrote more to that Isa 46:10

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

So be more explanative on how its God Nature to know all things, Thanks
 
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Satan likes the taste of pork....
We need to remain being as lambs.

1 John 1:9 keeps us wooly.

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I appreciate your view. However, as a point of correction,I am not of a faith system wherein I need to confess my sins in order to remain in God's Saving grace.
 

Genez

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I appreciate your view. However, as a point of correction,I am not of a faith system wherein I need to confess my sins in order to remain in God's Saving grace.
Saving grace is what initially saved you from Hell.
That is saving grace.

Enabling grace is what enables us to walk in enabling power to fulfill God's will for our lives.

1 John 1:9 - The Greek is not confession as we know it.
The word can mean to acknowledge one's sins.
To admit your sins to God.

Why so?

When we recognize something as a sin?
Something that God calls a sin?
We then agree with God!


Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?

Amos 3:3

Our post salvation experience should be one of learning how to constantly be controlled by the Spirit.


If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Galatians 5:25


grace and peace!
 
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Can you explain how did He come to know ?
Why do you believe God had to "come to know" anything ... do you believe God did not know Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

... and I am in agreement with what @Genez posted here
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God does not have to "prove" anything to satan and his angels.
But, God did.
I guess we can rip the book of Job out of your Bible, then? .... Job 1:6-10.
why would you rip the book of Job out of your Bible?




Genez said:
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.
The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him;
he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household
and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.

God was definitely out to prove Satan wrong concerning His claim about the integrity of Job.

It appears to me that it was satan who was trying to prove God was wrong in His statement about Job.

satan utterly failed in his attempts to prove that Job was not blameless and upright man, a man who fears God, and shuns evil as God said in Job 1:8.

God was correct ... satan was his usual evil self - he was and still is the accuser of the brethren (Rev 12:10).
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Yet, it says that Jesus died on the Cross for the sins of the world before man was yet created!

It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not
been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.


Revelation 13:7-8

Hard to be slain before the creation of the ones who would slay him.
 

Genez

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why would you rip the book of Job out of your Bible?





It appears to me that it was satan who was trying to prove God was wrong in His statement about Job.

satan utterly failed in his attempts to prove that Job was not blameless and upright man, a man who fears God, and shuns evil as God said in Job 1:8.

God was correct ... satan was his usual evil self - he was and still is the accuser of the brethren (Rev 12:10).
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God does not "prove" anything.
God arranges situations to refute those challenge Him...
"Proving" them wrong.
 

Genez

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Hard to be slain before the creation of the ones who would slay him.
That is God's way of saying something is an absolute certainty before it unfolds in time.
And, treats that certainty as an accomplished reality forever.

God already sees the future.
 
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God does not "prove" anything.
God arranges situations to refute those challenge Him...
"Proving" them wrong.
You just contradicted yourself.

God made a wager with Satan. God allowed Satan to challenge Job's commitment to his faith in God.
God allowed Satan to do almost all that he wished in testing Job. Except Satan could not kill Job.

He did this so he could win a bet against Satan. And therein prove Job's faith was unshakable.
 

Genez

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You just contradicted yourself.

God made a wager with Satan. God allowed Satan to challenge Job's commitment to his faith in God.
God allowed Satan to do almost all that he wished in testing Job. Except Satan could not kill Job.

He did this so he could win a bet against Satan. And therein prove Job's faith was unshakable.
Well then?

From your own confession...
Did God present a wager after all!