The truth of sin

[Blain]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

 

[GWH]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

No one achieves moral perfection in this life (PHP 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or

d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21, 1JN 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

e. an apostate (1JN 2:19, HB 6:4-6), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1TM 1:19-20).

1 John 3:9: "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God" seems to fit "a".

 

[Jordon]

Sin is always crouching on everyone's door, it just takes a few moments in prayer to overcome 😊

 

[Blain]

No one achieves moral perfection in this life (PHP 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or

d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21, 1JN 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

e. an apostate (1JN 2:19, HB 6:4-6), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1TM 1:19-20).

1 John 3:9: "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God" seems to fit "a".

very interesting take on it So then if I may ask what do you think about the power of sin? what I mean is do you think sin has any power over a believer or are we perhaps no longer slaves to sin? true enough we all sin even being born again believers but how much influence do you think it has on even those in Christ?

 

[Gideon300]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

First, we need to know that our position in Christ has nothing to do with our behaviour. If we are born again, it is God's doing. Being born again means that we have, right this second, eternal life. Eternal life is just that, eternal. To take away my born again life, you would have to go back in time and stop Lord Jesus dying and rising again. We need to make God's word our authority, not the pastor, other believers, not even our own thoughts and feelings.

Second, we need to know that the born again spirit within us does not sin. It hates sin. We grieve our own spirit when we sin, which means that our conscience is convicted. Conviction is not condemnation. All we need do is confess our sin and God forgives us.

Third, if we love sin and we are not willing (even if we are not able) to forsake it, there must be doubt that we are truly born again.

Fourth, trying to quit sin is a recipe for failure. When Jesus said that apart from Him, we can do nothing, He meant nothing that pleases God. We need to see from God that we have the power in Christ to overcome sin. We need to see that through the cross, we died to sin. It's not enough to memorise the scripture. Romans 6:6 literally says,

"Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be annulled, so that we are no longer enslaved to sin."

Many Christians try to reckon themselves dead to sin. But they do this by their own understanding. We need to "know" before we "reckon". There was a time in our lives when someone told us that 2 + 2 = 4. Then, sometime later, we saw clearly that 2 + 2 really does = 4. From then on, we could reckon that was true. We never had to think about from then on. We knew it to be so.

We need to know the truth of God's word in that way, where it becomes something we know for ourselves, not only what we mentally assent to. This applies to every aspect of the Christian life, including our death to sin. We also need to know that Jesus lives in us to be all that we should be but cannot be. It's like we have two wells within us. We have the well with the water of life, which is Jesus in our spirit. We have the well of self, which is the natural man that does not know or understand the things of God. We choose where we get our "water" from.

We have the enemy, Satan, who constantly bombards us with doubt and unbelief. We have the self-life that tries to maintain control. But we also have the overwhelming power and victory of the Lord Jesus, who is our righteousness and holiness. Focus on Him, what He has done for us, who He is in us and who we are in Him. We will soon be free of those things that bind us.

Some sinful attitudes and behaviours take time to overcome. I knew someone, a strong Christian, who suffered from gluttony. The Lord told me that He would deal with the problem at the right time. And so He did.

Lord Jesus is building His church. He delivers His people progressively. It's a bit like building a new house on an existing site. Lord Jesus will not destroy everything all at once. We could not handle that. He will remove and replace parts in the right order at the right time. The "right time" depends a lot on our willingness to change. God will not force us. His grace remains sufficient and His mercies remain new every morning. We can depend on God's faithfulness, even when we stumble and fall.

 

[Blain]

First, we need to know that our position in Christ has nothing to do with our behaviour. If we are born again, it is God's doing. Being born again means that we have, right this second, eternal life. Eternal life is just that, eternal. To take away my born again life, you would have to go back in time and stop Lord Jesus dying and rising again. We need to make God's word our authority, not the pastor, other believers, not even our own thoughts and feelings.

Second, we need to know that the born again spirit within us does not sin. It hates sin. We grieve our own spirit when we sin, which means that our conscience is convicted. Conviction is not condemnation. All we need do is confess our sin and God forgives us.

Third, if we love sin and we are not willing (even if we are not able) to forsake it, there must be doubt that we are truly born again.

Fourth, trying to quit sin is a recipe for failure. When Jesus said that apart from Him, we can do nothing, He meant nothing that pleases God. We need to see from God that we have the power in Christ to overcome sin. We need to see that through the cross, we died to sin. It's not enough to memorise the scripture. Romans 6:6 literally says,

"Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be annulled, so that we are no longer enslaved to sin."

Many Christians try to reckon themselves dead to sin. But they do this by their own understanding. We need to "know" before we "reckon". There was a time in our lives when someone told us that 2 + 2 = 4. Then, sometime later, we saw clearly that 2 + 2 really does = 4. From then on, we could reckon that was true. We never had to think about from then on. We knew it to be so.

We need to know the truth of God's word in that way, where it becomes something we know for ourselves, not only what we mentally assent to. This applies to every aspect of the Christian life, including our death to sin. We also need to know that Jesus lives in us to be all that we should be but cannot be. It's like we have two wells within us. We have the well with the water of life, which is Jesus in our spirit. We have the well of self, which is the natural man that does not know or understand the things of God. We choose where we get our "water" from.

We have the enemy, Satan, who constantly bombards us with doubt and unbelief. We have the self-life that tries to maintain control. But we also have the overwhelming power and victory of the Lord Jesus, who is our righteousness and holiness. Focus on Him, what He has done for us, who He is in us and who we are in Him. We will soon be free of those things that bind us.

Some sinful attitudes and behaviours take time to overcome. I knew someone, a strong Christian, who suffered from gluttony. The Lord told me that He would deal with the problem at the right time. And so He did.

Lord Jesus is building His church. He delivers His people progressively. It's a bit like building a new house on an existing site. Lord Jesus will not destroy everything all at once. We could not handle that. He will remove and replace parts in the right order at the right time. The "right time" depends a lot on our willingness to change. God will not force us. His grace remains sufficient and His mercies remain new every morning. We can depend on God's faithfulness, even when we stumble and fall.

 

[Gideon300]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

First, we need to know that our position in Christ has nothing to do with our behaviour. If we are born again, it is God's doing. Being born again means that we have, right this second, eternal life. Eternal life is just that, eternal. To take away my born again life, you would have to go back in time and stop Lord Jesus dying and rising again. We need to make God's word our authority, not the pastor, other believers, not even our own thoughts and feelings.

Second, we need to know that the born again spirit within us does not sin. It hates sin. We grieve our own spirit when we sin, which means that our conscience is convicted. Conviction is not condemnation. All we need do is confess our sin and God forgives us.

Third, if we love sin and we are not willing (even if we are not able) to forsake it, there must be doubt that we are truly born again.

Fourth, trying to quit sin is a recipe for failure. When Jesus said that apart from Him, we can do nothing, He meant nothing that pleases God. We need to see from God that we have the power in Christ to overcome sin. We need to see that through the cross, we died to sin. It's not enough to memorise the scripture. Romans 6:6 literally says,

"Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be annulled, so that we are no longer enslaved to sin."

Many Christians try to reckon themselves dead to sin. But they do this by their own understanding. We need to "know" before we "reckon". There was a time in our lives when someone told us that 2 + 2 = 4. Then, sometime later, we saw clearly that 2 + 2 really does = 4. From then on, we could reckon that was true. We never had to think about from then on. We knew it to be so.

We need to know the truth of God's word in that way, where it becomes something we know for ourselves, not only what we mentally assent to. This applies to every aspect of the Christian life, including our death to sin. We also need to know that Jesus lives in us to be all that we should be but cannot be. It's like we have two wells within us. We have the well with the water of life, which is Jesus in our spirit. We have the well of self, which is the natural man that does not know or understand the things of God. We choose where we get our "water" from.

We have the enemy, Satan, who constantly bombards us with doubt and unbelief. We have the self-life that tries to maintain control. But we also have the overwhelming power and victory of the Lord Jesus, who is our righteousness and holiness. Focus on Him, what He has done for us, who He is in us and who we are in Him. We will soon be free of those things that bind us.

Some sinful attitudes and behaviours take time to overcome. I knew someone, a strong Christian, who suffered from gluttony. The Lord told me that He would deal with the problem at the right time. And so He did.

Lord Jesus is building His church. He delivers His people progressively. It's a bit like building a new house on an existing site. Lord Jesus will not destroy everything all at once. We could not handle that. He will remove and replace parts in the right order at the right time. The "right time" depends a lot on our willingness to change. God will not force us. His grace remains sufficient and His mercies remain new every morning. We can depend on God's faithfulness, even when we stumble and fall.

 

[Suze]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

Personally I believe that sin can b anything , anything that is contrary to God's Will is sin . Just my feelings about it . For me , reading the Bible every day , helps me to get to know God and therefore get to know the kind of behaviour and attitude that I should b cultivating in myself in order not to b offensive to God as much as is humanely possible . We learn by example and Jesus is the perfect example . There r many other faithful believers in the Bible , Old and New Testaments , and they give us good examples in part but Christ is the perfect example of obedience and submission to God's Will . We r called to b lights in this world , good examples to our fellow humans , to sacrifice our own selves to the extent that Christ can work in us and through us ,to show the Love of God to others , as God through Christ and Christ through his obedience and submission to God's Will , did . We don't necessarily need to know what sin is , we just need to know how to obey and submit to God's Will , if we can do that we shall b acceptable servants .

 

[GWH]

very interesting take on it So then if I may ask what do you think about the power of sin? what I mean is do you think sin has any power over a believer or are we perhaps no longer slaves to sin? true enough we all sin even being born again believers but how much influence do you think it has on even those in Christ?

The answer to your question is quite complicated, because the temptation to sin is affected by so many factors.
For example, my Christian upbringing, centering my social life on church friends and activities and my shy personality
probably prevented me from being tempted to sin as much as those whose parents were not good Christians, who did
not attend church, who abused drugs and socialized with sinful people. Willingness to confess sins immediately
is necessary in order to avoid chain-sinning or back-sliding. Mature Christians need to avoid being proud of their
goodness compared with others. On CC we need to avoid the sins of being divisive, argumentative and unforgiving.
We all have a different cross to bear despite no longer being slaves to sin.

 

[homwardbound]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

God's grace given through by Son takes over period for me at least, remembering this daily.
I have sinned and sinned over and over again and again, not wanting to, tried not to and sinned anyways, People, condemn I myself at myself too, God does not.
Paul, describes this to us, at least me in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10
Therefore am I to take advantage of sin? Am I to sin all the more, since am forgiven, remain as forgiven by God, whenever I sin again and have sinned again and still can sin, being in an unredeemed flesh body that sins. Are we to continue in sin and excuse sin, when not harming any others in our personal sins of lust(s) of in this world? And hear that error in our mindsets and attach onto those thoughts happening at us? that come there from evil, time to not attach to those anymore you think?

Stop, take a look, God did take away the sin of the world in his Son Jesus for us all, that is done once for us all 1 John 2:1-27
Colossians 1:21-23

I am not perfect, God is and that is by God working that out through me, and all others that will not deny God, no matter what troubles come upon them or not

Now, for me about sin, God takes one sin away in one person at a time over time and time again, once you get one gone then one moves on to the next one. God works on one problem at a time, not all at once as evil does that to us all that allow those evil thoughts in us. So continue in trust to God, all persons, not quitting to see truth over error here in this world, will see God reveals this truth to each person personally and that one that decides to quit those things that are not good for them will choose and not be forced anymore, Their Souls that God came here to earth to save, by first dying to the first born flesh for us all
1 John 2:1-2. therefore who agrees with God to be willingly dead to the flesh first birth too?
Be dead to anger, if one is dead to anger, anger has no more control does it, if dead to it
Now to fathom this can only come from Daddy, PaPa, Father in Son for each, and one will stop sin, being too busy praising Father, no time for sin. That does not mean one can keep from sin. What??????????????????????????????
How ????????????/

God's done work is how, risen Son is how. Learn and be new presently, not think I will not sin again. Isn't that what Peter did, "I won't deny you Jesus"
Yes, you will Jesus said to him, and what did Peter do?
You see, anyone might want to see this truth. trusting Father to reveal it as needed and whenever Daddy decides to reveal it to anyone. Father knows best.
I can not predict any future, I can conjecture future, anyone?
Therefore, I am in a flesh body that fights me to sin again and again. This flesh body traps people in getting people to behave or else God Will get you with attitudes of the flesh nature
"I better do or else" therefore one, anyone gets trapped in sin, and whenever one, anyone thinks they got it, pride over it steps in, and one sins in pride more than just sinned before

I, see as Paul to put past behind me so fast, I could not blink an eyelid, for God does that in Each person for us to say thank you, now I trust you to teach me new and not do that again eventually, and Father to this day has not failed me or anyone as many do not see this truth yet. I have experienced over time in continual exercise "I" trust you God to teach me about those things I now hate to leave me alone in your timing, not mine, and have seen this happen, thank you.
I have watched God still love me, even whenever I sinned again. I have many times over and over again, Yet God's forgiving love has not stopped ever, Amazing, that is what got me to begin to see differently is that continued love from God, in spite of me, even though I do not deserved to be saved and I do deserve death still. so might be best to reckon self dead
Anyone else?

Again if you reckon self dead and then are dead to self, then who will you neb alive to?
being dead to sin. one stops sin, and that can take a long time to see through to this truth
I am not claiming I got it, I am claiming God has got it

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Begin, and think this daily and even though once will still sin and not stop right way to it. one will have a least began to have


Authorized (King James) Version

Phil 3:11-20

11 if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[Webers.Home]

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● 1 John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

To my knowledge; God has only one paternal descendant. (John 1:14, John
1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, Heb 11:17, and 1John 4:9) All others who are
said to be born of God (e.g. John 1:11-13) are creations, i.e. God's handiwork.

● Eph 2:10 . . For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus.

● Eph 4:24 . . Put on the new man which was created according to God, in
true righteousness and holiness.

● Col 3:9-10 . . Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old
man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in
knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.

So then it's to be expected that conventional born-again Christians would have
difficulty producing sinless perfection.

● 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
and his word is not in us.

NOTE: The pronouns "we" and "us" implicate the author of the epistle. Well;
I'm reasonably confident that John was a conventional born-again Christian,
so if he didn't dare claim sinless perfection, then for sure nobody except Jesus
should be making that claim.
_

 

[Blain]

The answer to your question is quite complicated, because the temptation to sin is affected by so many factors.
For example, my Christian upbringing, centering my social life on church friends and activities and my shy personality
probably prevented me from being tempted to sin as much as those whose parents were not good Christians, who did
not attend church, who abused drugs and socialized with sinful people. Willingness to confess sins immediately
is necessary in order to avoid chain-sinning or back-sliding. Mature Christians need to avoid being proud of their
goodness compared with others. On CC we need to avoid the sins of being divisive, argumentative and unforgiving.
We all have a different cross to bear despite no longer being slaves to sin.

I have noticed that being argumentive and divisive is the main issue here on cc and whether it is a sin or not I am not sure but there is temptation to respond in an ungodly manner so perhaps the fact it is a temptation makes it a sin. it requires love and patience and maturity to be able to properly debate things especially touchy subjects

 

[Blain]

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● 1 John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

To my knowledge; God has only one paternal descendant. (John 1:14, John
1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, Heb 11:17, and 1John 4:9) All others who are
said to be born of God (e.g. John 1:11-13) are creations, i.e. God's handiwork.

● Eph 2:10 . . For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus.

● Eph 4:24 . . Put on the new man which was created according to God, in
true righteousness and holiness.

● Col 3:9-10 . . Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old
man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in
knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.

So then it's to be expected that conventional born-again Christians would have
difficulty producing sinless perfection.

● 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
and his word is not in us.

NOTE: The pronouns "we" and "us" implicate the author of the epistle. Well;
I'm reasonably confident that John was a conventional born-again Christian,
so if he didn't dare claim sinless perfection, then for sure nobody except Jesus
should be making that claim.
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And yet there are those who do claim sinless perfection, I actually used to be in contact via phone with one and he wanted me to try things his way and me being the type to not assume I have everything right ghave it a try

But the more I did the more everything in life became a heavy burden there was even a heavy darkness that formed inside me depression seeped in my worth became so little I considered myself a worm of the earth but once I realized this way of doing things was not good for me and missing just being his child and loviing God as a child does I was suddenly free filled with joy again his love seeped into me again

to be honest I am grateful for that experience because it reminded me just how freeing his love really is and how imperfect I really am.

 

[lrs68]

We will never reach sinless perfection because even though we grow to the point of recognizing we could sin and can stop from sinning the majority of the time we go ahead and choose to commit the sin.

Example:
You are in a discussion and you get a thought that only you know and instead of keeping it to yourself you choose to gossip and share the bad thing that hurts the person's character anyway. You had a chance to keep quiet and protect the person but instead chose to tell the thing that you should be quiet about.

That's a gossip sin which is the one sin that destroys churches and people equally year after year and the Bible strictly warns against it.

 

[GWH]

I have noticed that being argumentive and divisive is the main issue here on cc and whether it is a sin or not I am not sure but there is temptation to respond in an ungodly manner so perhaps the fact it is a temptation makes it a sin. it requires love and patience and maturity to be able to properly debate things especially touchy subjects

Well succumbing to the temptation is the sin but congenial disagreement regarding didachaic doctrines is permissible and I thank God for Him electing to make a few on the UGE thread remind me of the need for humility.

 

[Leastofall]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

The first thing that needs to be established in my opinion is Genesis 1:1.
Without it we end up in a rabbits hole. Without a biblical perspective we are blinded.
To make a case for divine intervention we must first establish why it was needed. Hence...Genesis 1:1.

 

[MrE]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

There is an association that exists in scripture, a point made over and over that likens "sin" simply to being a part of the human condition. That is, sin- is likened to 'the flesh' and our physical nature. To be human, is to be sinful. It's a part of our existence, and a natural outcome of being human.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

This isn’t for non believers but believers

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just be real with God when you know you have sinned don’t pretend you didn’t but rather acknowledge it’s sin and ask forgiveness he is faithful to his word

“Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no guile. When I kept silence, my bones waxed old Through my roaring all the day long.

( until David confessed his sin it crushed his soul but then )


I acknowledged my sin unto thee, And mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; And thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah

. For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: Surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭32:1-3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if a person learns Jesus doctrine it becomes apparent that Jesus knows we aren’t perfect already otherwise why was he saying this ?

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If he expected then to be perfect why is he telling them about forgivness of sin ?

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭

“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other:

for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Think of someone you love and they love you and now somehow you did a wrong to them . What do you do ? Pretend you didn’t do anything wrong and feel it’s wrong to repent and ask forgiveness because you know the person loves you ?

or would you obviously feel bad for what you did and then acknolwedge it to the person “ I’m sorry about that I feel terrible I shouldn’t have said that forgive me “

a if we hear the doctrine of Christ it’s pretty obvious we aren’t sinless and he knows it so he’s done a new thing founded on mercy and truth

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we won’t forgive people who do us wrong if we go around condemning others for thier sins , if we won’t help others , if we go around as if we’re appointed judges of who’s worthy ect we’re going to face that very judgement but if we are merciful as the lord we can expect that judgement

We aren’t perfect yet but we know mercy now which is what e wry sinner needs to be saved not only god forgiving me my sins but also god forgiving the people who offend me also thier sins so I need to also there’s a whole new doctrine brother it’s for those who don’t think they are already good enough for God those who know they have come up short and need salvation

righteous people have a hard time accepting Jesus because he accepts and fellowshipped with sinners …. And the “righteous” folk they don’t associate with sinners they’re above all that

 

[homwardbound]

This isn’t for non believers but believers

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just be real with God when you know you have sinned don’t pretend you didn’t but rather acknowledge it’s sin and ask forgiveness he is faithful to his word

“Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no guile. When I kept silence, my bones waxed old Through my roaring all the day long.

( until David confessed his sin it crushed his soul but then )


I acknowledged my sin unto thee, And mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; And thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah

. For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: Surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭32:1-3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if a person learns Jesus doctrine it becomes apparent that Jesus knows we aren’t perfect already otherwise why was he saying this ?

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If he expected then to be perfect why is he telling them about forgivness of sin ?

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭

“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other:

for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Think of someone you love and they love you and now somehow you did a wrong to them . What do you do ? Pretend you didn’t do anything wrong and feel it’s wrong to repent and ask forgiveness because you know the person loves you ?

or would you obviously feel bad for what you did and then acknolwedge it to the person “ I’m sorry about that I feel terrible I shouldn’t have said that forgive me “

a if we hear the doctrine of Christ it’s pretty obvious we aren’t sinless and he knows it so he’s done a new thing founded on mercy and truth

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we won’t forgive people who do us wrong if we go around condemning others for thier sins , if we won’t help others , if we go around as if we’re appointed judges of who’s worthy ect we’re going to face that very judgement but if we are merciful as the lord we can expect that judgement

We aren’t perfect yet but we know mercy now which is what e wry sinner needs to be saved not only god forgiving me my sins but also god forgiving the people who offend me also thier sins so I need to also there’s a whole new doctrine brother it’s for those who don’t think they are already good enough for God those who know they have come up short and need salvation

righteous people have a hard time accepting Jesus because he accepts and fellowshipped with sinners …. And the “righteous” folk they don’t associate with sinners they’re above all that

Yes, so true as in Matthew 19, when that rich man had asked Jesus what must he do to get into Heaven, Jesus gave him the Law, he replied he had done all the Law from birth forward.
Knowing something was missing he asked deeper what is missing? I see willingness or not to let go of everything is what was missing. Luke 21:1-4 also great ensample
It is stated in Matthew 19 he was told to sell all he owned, give to the poor and take up his cross and follow him. He walked away sad, he could not let go of his money, and material things he had. I see not willing to, I think God asked him to be willing, not told he had to or else attitudes of flesh nature trying to use that to get others money and things.

Read the entire story of what happened. For the Disciples got worried watching the rich man walk away sad

And asked, How can anyone enter the Kingdom? seeing no way to get to Heaven by any work.
Jesus replied with man it is impossible, with my Father all things are possible. Now this was before the cross, before reconciliation took place in the death alone, all as forgiven.
Wow! no matter what I do or do not do, I do not get in by works in any order right or wrong
I need the impossible to happen in me with humility never leaving me, anyone else?
So, therefore, Son Jesus is risen alive to never die ever again that reconciliation is done for all as are forgiven reconciled by God to all. Done once for us all Hebrews 10:10 Now I can see no one gets saved by his death or any self works, and no one gets saved in this forgiveness given We all are equaled at the death, that no flesh can save anyone. Now, for me I need a Savior, at least me, this is the risen Son Jesus risen to life to never die again, I want in and it is a gift, not a work, not a buy, not anything else but a gift, A Gift has no work, no have to's, could have's or should have's. So if need, ask and receive and see new in the present given thee
The present second is the present that lasts forever, and how one thinks presently controls thee. Trust God only to install his thought as in 2 Cor 10:5 talks about I think I got the correct scripture. It is way tI see presently.
This is why Paul in Phil 3 says what is said that only Daddy, Father, PaPa can reveal to anyone as Daddy chooses to, as Father is the one who knows all and what is best for now, whether going through good or bad now To see to put behind you, behind you, whether it was right or wrong, it is best for you to let it go and ask God what to do and be thankful you remain forgiven by God to see how to not do it again, and one will learn to stop, and that might not be at first it might take a while.
So, I, you, many others also have decided to stand in this forgiveness given, asked for the new life for us to abide in and not have to abide, since God will show us how to and not do those things we did prior, they will wax old and leave eventually. There are many still learning this truth how to quit sin and this can never be of themselves or Anyone else but the risen Jesus that did it for them to love all the same way he did in going, to that cross without any flesh fight back at all
Can we do that? Yes, yet not of ourself ever at least to me thank you

 

[Blain]

Well succumbing to the temptation is the sin but congenial disagreement regarding didachaic doctrines is permissible and I thank God for Him electing to make a few on the UGE thread remind me of the need for humility.

yes it does remind us to be humble and to respond in a mature and Christ like manner heated debates do that they can either bring the worst out of us or it can humble us and so this is why heated debates can be good for us