Did Jesus save those who ultimately hated Him?

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homwardbound

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The Devil's minions also go to hell.
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As God chooses, not me or anyone else, as Father, Daddy, PaPa chooses
there will be others, not going to Heaven with God that preached God's word from the pulpit, you know that, aware I trust God to teach us all truth of reality in front of us all.
we, are to be made, at least I see this: wise as serpents and remain harmless as doves. The hard part to remain harmless as doves, once aware of the evil here on earth. Put everyone in Father's hands to deal with each person as Father knows best for each of us to go through to know and turn to him willingly only, never by force or anger, even though God is righteously angered, Chose mercy over sacrifice for us all to do the same, as is seen done in Son first. That does not mean be a door-mat either. Be wise and do not associate, unless called to be available to give the reason you do not complain or hate anyone anymore
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Either one, anyone will glory in Iniquity or will work iniquity
Do you see the difference, Father will reveal it in Daddy's timing not anyone else's thanks
 
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Jimbone said:
I'd even go as far as saying He can only call those who hate Him, because we are all born in that condition. The only way we can come out of that position is by His power and draw. I know this is a bare bones take and absent any kind of nuance, but in the most simple and straight forward way of thinking and in general terms, God can only call those who hate Him. I know I did in my younger days. I would claim "I'm an atheist", yet would cuss at Him and claim to hate Him when life got hard, emotions ran high, and everything hit the fan. I do agree with you on this 100%.
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Truth, Thank you, I simply did not know this love of God for all. I do not ever remember hating God, hating troubles yes, not God, yet thoughts tried to enter over troubles to hate God, I could not, cannot, will not.
God to me, is as real as the air I breathe and I thank you Jimbone for the turn around as like CS Lewis did too, wow, woe is me too
God then teaches us truth, (at least has been doing that with me, I think will and does with others too). Uses, errors as many I have made and can make them again and have, seeing God not fooling around, Loving all through the cross of Son that is risen once for us all to see God keeps us as reconciled forever to see new and do new willingly. Those that choose to believe it, see it or not. By choice given us to be given the gift of God new life in us right now presently
Present is the gift, any work to do, in a gift makes a gift not a gift anymore to me anyways

therefore God is teaching me this to do the done workmen Son as Daddy leads me to love all and stay out of flesh arguments, I bet you too and thank you
 
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homwardbound said:
Truth, Thank you, I simply did not know this love of God for all. I do not ever remember hating God, hating troubles yes, not God, yet thoughts tried to enter over troubles to hate God, I could not, cannot, will not.
God to me, is as real as the air I breathe and I thank you Jimbone for the turn around as like CS Lewis did too, wow, woe is me too
God then teaches us truth, (at least has been doing that with me, I think will and does with others too). Uses, errors as many I have made and can make them again and have, seeing God not fooling around, Loving all through the cross of Son that is risen once for us all to see God keeps us as reconciled forever to see new and do new willingly. Those that choose to believe it, see it or not. By choice given us to be given the gift of God new life in us right now presently
Present is the gift, any work to do, in a gift makes a gift not a gift anymore to me anyways

therefore God is teaching me this to do the done workmen Son as Daddy leads me to love all and stay out of flesh arguments, I bet you too and thank you
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It is impossible for those who ultimately hate Jesus to come to Him.
 
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Jimbone said:
I'd even go as far as saying He can only call those who hate Him, because we are all born in that condition. The only way we can come out of that position is by His power and draw. I know this is a bare bones take and absent any kind of nuance, but in the most simple and straight forward way of thinking and in general terms, God can only call those who hate Him. I know I did in my younger days. I would claim "I'm an atheist", yet would cuss at Him and claim to hate Him when life got hard, emotions ran high, and everything hit the fan. I do agree with you on this 100%.
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Do you believe that those who ultimately hate Jesus go to heaven or do you believe they go to hell?
 
homwardbound

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It is impossible for those who ultimately hate Jesus to come to Him.
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Those that willingly choose to not believe to see and stick with it. ultimately, that is between God and each person personally, who choose to and who do not choose to believe God in risen Son Jesus for them or not.
Saul, did not hate God, Saul got taught wrong under Law and God saw his ignorance in it. And so revealed himself to Saul who turned to be Paul from Saul
However he changed his mind from unbelief that was not unbelief to God. The way he was taught to belief under Law was wrong, and he changed his mind to trust to God from within him, and got taught new in love and mercy to all.
Might be another persons time today to do the same, I stand in trust to the Loving, living God of us all, given us through Son's done work.
Do you believe or are you on a tangent to be at angst against people?
Do you confess you need Father and Son as won and have you done that between Father and you personal yet? You tell God, God already knows thank you. Love you in God's Mercy and Truth
 
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homwardbound said:
Those that willingly choose to not believe to see and stick with it. ultimately, that is between God and each person personally, who choose to and who do not choose to believe God in risen Son Jesus for them or not.
Saul, did not hate God, Saul got taught wrong under Law and God saw his ignorance in it. And so revealed himself to Saul who turned to be Paul from Saul
However he changed his mind from unbelief that was not unbelief to God. The way he was taught to belief under Law was wrong, and he changed his mind to trust to God from within him, and got taught new in love and mercy to all.
Might be another persons time today to do the same, I stand in trust to the Loving, living God of us all, given us through Son's done work.
Do you believe or are you on a tangent to be at angst against people?
Do you confess you need Father and Son as won and have you done that between Father and you personal yet? You tell God, God already knows thank you. Love you in God's Mercy and Truth
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Those who ultimately hate Jesus will not be saved no matter what. Heaven is better than those.
 
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Those who ultimately hate Jesus will not be saved no matter what. Heaven is better than those.
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Okay, those that choose and will not enter the Kingdom
Who are they? do you know? Will you share that, since it seems you want to share or maybe control, thank you, love to all, is the call to choose to believe God in risen Son and respond back with love for all also, even those that have chosen or choose to to not believe God
true or false please thank you
 
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homwardbound said:
Okay, those that choose and will not enter the Kingdom
Who are they? do you know? Will you share that, since it seems you want to share or maybe control, thank you, love to all, is the call to choose to believe God in risen Son and respond back with love for all also, even those that have chosen or choose to to not believe God
true or false please thank you
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They are those who ultimately hate Jesus.
 
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DavidLamb said:
But Saul/Paul was converted. He didn't remain a hater of Jesus, or to use the thread's title, he did not ultimately hat Jesus. Incidentally, he didn't have a name change. Saul was his Hebrew name, and Paul was his Roman name (remember, he had Roman citizenship.)
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The other Disciples like Peter called him Paul so he did stop using the Yiddish version of Saul.
 
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homwardbound said:
Not sure the OP is claiming Paul went to Hell, might be claiming definitely deserved to go there, I know I deserve to go there and am counting on God in risen Son for me that my, all sin is forgiven by God Father through Son for me too as claimed in 1 John 2:1-27 the gift wins over works t me anyways.
I assuredly am not perfect and by me I see and know "I" can't do it, "I" tried fruitlessly and yet thought I got fruit form other flesh and blood and did, here on earth.
I saw to not sit in Moses's seat any longer and only get rewards from people, in others seeing me do good work and be rewarded from others. I assuredly do not want to be rewarded from people and be in pride over it and lose my own soul, anyone else?
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No, I am positive the thread creator wasn't proclaiming that Paul went to Hell and neither was I. I merely was showing that Saul hated Christ so much he was killing anyone who was converting to become Christ like [Christian]. That is as hateful as it gets to kill the followers of someone. It takes hate for who they are following which was and is Jesus. So that ultimately means Saul hated Jesus enough to kill those who followed Jesus.
 
Roughsoul1991

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The devil also has people who are his minions who hate Jesus.
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Christ died for all people. Scripture says that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. That includes the wicked.

But salvation depends on those who accept what Christ has done. So the opportunity is for all people but not all people will respond.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Christ died for all people. Scripture says that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. That includes the wicked.

But salvation depends on those who accept what Christ has done. So the opportunity is for all people but not all people will respond.
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The only sinners Jesus died for are the elect.
 
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