Understanding God’s election

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Jimbone

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Jackson129 said:
Ok I think I know where our difference is comming from. I think we have hearing and understanding mixed up. To me hearing is hearing. If I tell 100 people about Jesus and 1 understands it. To me all of them heard it but only the one understands it.
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And I know I'm butting in here, and please excuse me for that, but if you think you speaking, or the person hearing are what save, your just wrong. Salvation is of God lest any man boast, yes you are to proclaim the gospel, and that person can only be saved by hearing that message, but it's the Spirit leading your words and the Spirit leading their understanding of what they hear. So while I think we'd all agree we are to obey, and we do proclaim His glory and point all to Jesus, but we'd never do this before being born again, we CAN'T do this before we are born again of His Spirit. I'm sorry, let me pull back a little, I can only speak for myself. I'd NEVER do any of these things if I was still of the flesh, or a slave to sin. It's Him, it's the Spirit that makes us all new, opens our eyes and ears to the things of the Spirit that we are blind to before we are saved by Him. It's not that we don't "do" anything, it's just He gets ALL the glory and credit for it. Praise Jesus awesome name.
 
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lrs68 said:
In Koine Greek, "kosmos" (κόσμος) can be translated as "world" or "universe". It can also refer to the entire inhabited world or humankind.

OK, like I said it means God's Creation because every possible definition refers to what God Created.

I love it when you get foolish because when we have to offer proof then it really proves just how foolish you can be.
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The only one sounding foolish is YOU! Try letting your brain catch up to your fingers. You said in the part that I highlighted that "it CAN also refer...". In other words, it can also NOT be referring to the entire inhabited world or humankind.
 
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Rufus said:
The only one sounding foolish is YOU! Try letting your brain catch up to your fingers. You said in the part that I highlighted that "it CAN also refer...". In other words, it can also NOT be referring to the entire inhabited world or humankind.
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Why would God save a physical planet that has no chance to go to Heaven?

Of course it means everything including people. That's so obvious you have to completely understand that you are outright lying to deny such a thing.
 
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Jackson129 said:
Galatians 5:13 has parelles to free will.
John 7:17 is pretty close
Rev 3:5 sounds like it as well.
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Shirely U. Jest! The text has to do with Christ setting his chosen people free! Christ himself said he would set his people free (Jn 8:36)! So, where does that leave sinners who are not free, including their wills? If sinners' hearts (in which the will resides) were already free from bondage, slavery, imprionment, etc. then why would Christ have to see his elect free?
 
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Jackson129 said:
All are in the old testament that I have found so far.
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As one word, or two? Free will is not in the Bible at all. Making a choice to sleep with a woman you met at the bar is making a choice to be sure, but the context we are speaking of in the Bible discussion forum would have to do with what the Bible says on a topic. Of course fornication and adultery and rape etc are sins and wrong, but making choices is nowhere equated with having a will that is free, and especially in relation to salvation, but people talk about it as if it is when it is just something they have made up and replaced with what is actually in the Bible, such as being taken captive to the will of the devil.
 
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Rufus said:
You were doing fine up to the point I bolded! We all made a CHOICE. (You're tossing the baby out with the dirty wash water!) And our choices totally aligned with God's will for us. We made the choices we did because we were predestined in eternity to become adopted children of God.
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I did fine in the whole post.

At least I'm consistent.
 
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