Understanding God’s election

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Mouse_Cheeks said:
I did fine in the whole post.

At least I'm consistent .
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Except when you're not! I know I chose to repent and believe the gospel while simultaneously knowing and believing I made that choice entirely by the power of God's grace. Neither the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost chose to believe for me! But God in eternity did decree that *I* would choose to believe and repent. Therefore, my will was in alignment with God's!
 
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Magenta said:
Is God biased?
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God isint anything we can put a human word to. Humans can be biased God is above all so there is nothing above Him to judge a decision of His as being biased or not. He is what He is and does what what He does.
 
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lrs68 said:
Why would God save a physical planet that has no chance to go to Heaven?

Of course it means everything including people. That's so obvious you have to completely understand that you are outright lying to deny such a thing.
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Only if you ignore the other 8 meanings. You obviously enjoy being simple-minded.

And he saves (restores/renews/recreates) a physical planet for all his elect to occupy and enjoy for all eternity.
 
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Rufus said:
Except when you're not! I know I chose to repent and believe the gospel while simultaneously knowing and believing I made that choice entirely by the power of God's grace. Neither the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost chose to believe for me! But God in eternity did decree that *I* would choose to believe and repent. Therefore, my will was in alignment with God's!
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That is a clear distinction between the natural man and the spiritual man that many are simply incapable of discerning... which is why we see so many confusing what the natural man is capable of, by ascribing to him characteristics and qualities possessed only by the spiritual man. Telling them what the Bible says on the matter makes very little to no difference, because when it comes down to the choice of either accepting what the Bible actually says, or relinquishing their tradition of man, they opt for the latter.
 
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Jackson129 said:
God isint anything we can put a human word to. Humans can be biased God is above all so there is nothing
above Him to judge a decision of His as being biased or not. He is what He is and does what what He does.
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God has used many "human" words to describe Himself.
 
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Except when you're not! I know I chose to repent and believe the gospel while simultaneously knowing and believing I made that choice entirely by the power of God's grace. Neither the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost chose to believe for me! But God in eternity did decree that *I* would choose to believe and repent. Therefore, my will was in alignment with God's!
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See we are alike. We made a choice. A choice we were only allowed to have by God's grace. But we did make a choice.
 
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Jackson129 said:
See we are alike. We made a choice. A choice we were only allowed to have by God's grace. But we did make a choice.
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There would be a difference if you were to assert you made that choice before being made alive in Christ... while dead in your sins... in the state of being able to neither receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God which you would have been opposed to in the state of the natural man, inherently hostile to God, a lover of darkness, slave to sin, suppressing the truth in unrighteousness etc. You would in that case be saying you chose to believe the gospel message while it was yet foolishness to you.
 
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Jackson129 said:
See we are alike. We made a choice. A choice we were only allowed to have by God's grace. But we did make a choice.
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I have never said differently. But at the same time, I don't believe the unbiblical nonsense that man's will is autonomously free. Man's will is anything but free, which is why Jesus has to set his people free!
 
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Except when you're not! I know I chose to repent and believe the gospel while simultaneously knowing and believing I made that choice entirely by the power of God's grace. Neither the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost chose to believe for me! But God in eternity did decree that *I* would choose to believe and repent. Therefore, my will was in alignment with God's!
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You debate as a child would.
 
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I have never said differently. But at the same time, I don't believe the unbiblical nonsense that man's
will is autonomously free. Man's will is anything but free, which is why Jesus has to set his people free!
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"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
 
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Rufus said:
Only if you ignore the other 8 meanings. You obviously enjoy being simple-minded.

And he saves (restores/renews/recreates) a physical planet for all his elect to occupy and enjoy for all eternity.
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Ignore?

I provided the first 4 immediate possibilities according to majority of Bible Concordances and that means the first mentioned options normally is what the verse means.

According to you it's the last options mentioned later because that's the only way it fits your personal doctrine.
 
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Jackson129 said:
GOD can describe himself anyway He wants. I describe him as the loving almighty God
who graced me with salvation. Putting adjectives on God can be a slippery slope. Imo
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God's revealed written Word also defines religion.

Of course absolute Truth is biased.
 
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Jackson129 said:
Somebody post like 10 things real quick so we can get off this page number.
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Heh, I noticed we were on page 666, also.

My coffee refill and salad (for later in the day) yesterday morning was $6.66.

The cashier said, somebody needs to bless your food LOL

So I did :ROFL:
 
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Magenta said:
Heh, I noticed we were on page 666, also.

My coffee refill and salad for later yesterday morning was $6.66.
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When I encounter that number at work like I get 3 parts which are number 6 in a row. I just go bla bla and bbla.as I enter it into the computer so I dont have to say it. Gives me the heebees
 
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Jackson129 said:
When I encounter that number at work like I get 3 parts which are number 6 in a row. I just go
bla bla and bbla.as I enter it into the computer so I dont have to say it. Gives me the heebees
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A lot of our government phone numbers start with 666. They must have figured nobody else would want them LOL
 
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Revelation 13:16 And the second beast required all people small and great, rich
and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast
or the number of its name. 18 Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight
calculate the number of the beast,for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.
 
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Jackson129 said:
When I encounter that number at work like I get 3 parts which are number 6 in a row. I just go bla bla and bbla.as I enter it into the computer so I dont have to say it. Gives me the heebees
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I was in the grocery line right behind a woman whose order rang up as $66.66
She panicked and reached back to add a candybar to the subtotal and get past that number.:giggle:
 
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