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What I find to be sad...is that we as christians still ask that question, like: How far can I go and still be "safe". We want to live as close to the kingdom of the devil as possible but still be with both our feet at the line that separates the Kingdom of Light and the kingdom of darkness. We want to live at the line, where if the devil entices us, we are just ONE, TINY step away from his kingdom.
We as children of the Light need to draw margins for ourselves. Instead of asking how far can I go, we should say: What is benefitial for me and my relationship with God. Now, being around people that ridicule God through their lifestyles by getting drunk and having sex with random people and other things, is not something you could take benefits from.
Everything that keeps you away from God and away from His light is not good for you, no matter how you try to twist and justify it. I trust God....and I know that if I'm not sure about a thing in my life, if I ask Him, He'll answer right away. So ask, and He will tell you.
LOVE <3
We as children of the Light need to draw margins for ourselves. Instead of asking how far can I go, we should say: What is benefitial for me and my relationship with God. Now, being around people that ridicule God through their lifestyles by getting drunk and having sex with random people and other things, is not something you could take benefits from.
Everything that keeps you away from God and away from His light is not good for you, no matter how you try to twist and justify it. I trust God....and I know that if I'm not sure about a thing in my life, if I ask Him, He'll answer right away. So ask, and He will tell you.
LOVE <3
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There is no way that drinking alcohol can be a sin. Jesus did it. I'm not talking about getting drunk, I mean a glass of wine or two.
I abstain most of the time. I'll have maybe 6 drinks a year or something. I've been like this since well before I was a Christian - I just dislike it.
On the odd occasion I have been clubbing, I've never 'dirty danced', flirted, kissed random people or found myself doing anything that could be considered sinful. It's the 21st century - unless we live in some sort of colony, we are constantly around people who sin and have a bad influence. Whether it be school, shopping, watching tv, seeing a sports game etc. I'm not saying the rules are different (I think they evolve, but I'm not starting a debate on that so don't bother please) because we are in the 21st century, just that the way of life these days is to be around people who constantly sin. It's fairly impossible to avoid it all the time. I don't think that the individual is doing anything wrong by going clubbing. It's not their fault that others act in a different way, and it's enough to not join them in what they are doing.
I abstain most of the time. I'll have maybe 6 drinks a year or something. I've been like this since well before I was a Christian - I just dislike it.
On the odd occasion I have been clubbing, I've never 'dirty danced', flirted, kissed random people or found myself doing anything that could be considered sinful. It's the 21st century - unless we live in some sort of colony, we are constantly around people who sin and have a bad influence. Whether it be school, shopping, watching tv, seeing a sports game etc. I'm not saying the rules are different (I think they evolve, but I'm not starting a debate on that so don't bother please) because we are in the 21st century, just that the way of life these days is to be around people who constantly sin. It's fairly impossible to avoid it all the time. I don't think that the individual is doing anything wrong by going clubbing. It's not their fault that others act in a different way, and it's enough to not join them in what they are doing.
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There are several points I'd like to address here (I can't remember who made them and I don't feel like messing with quotes):
1. It is actually quite easy for some people to become drunk accidentally, simply because they don't know their limit for certain drinks. Maybe a person knows how many beers they can have without getting drunk, but say they try something different- a mixed drink. The first one goes down so smoothly that they don't even feel it, so they have another, and maybe a couple more, when all of the sudden it hits them that they're drunk! Oops. Some mixed drinks can do that.
2. I don't think that there is ANYONE who can resist ALL of the temptations that are available at a night club. At least not for very long, and certainly not if clubbing is a fairly regular thing. When faced with so many different kinds of temptation, at some point, EVERYONE gives in to SOMETHING. Either a few drinks too many, getting in a fight with someone, bad-mouthing someone else at the club for the way they dance/the way they dress/the way they look/something they did or said, flirting with a good looking guy/girl....SOMETHING. Only Jesus could frequent a night club and not find anything about it tempting, and have you ever bumped into Jesus while out dancing? No.
3. Regardless of what YOUR behavior may be while out at a club or bar, you can't possibly know the intentions/thoughts of the other people who are there. Meaning, the likelihood of a man (or woman) looking at you with lust or harmful intentions while at a bar or club is a LOT more than a man (or woman) looking at you that way were you to steer clear of such places altogether and go see a movie or something instead. You can't control what other people think/feel, sometimes even if you're dressed modestly, behaving like a lady, whatever, but what GOOD comes from even BEING in a situation where men ARE likely to ogle you?
I went out to a bar one night a few years back with my husband and a couple of our friends. I was wearing jeans and a thick hooded sweater and boots. I didn't put on make-up or fix my hair nice. When we sat down, it was obvious I was WITH my husband because he had his arm around me. We weren't there a full 5 minutes before an older man who was sitting alone at the bar started sending me drinks and waving at me and winking at me. I was just there to visit with my friends and have a beer, not get picked up!! I wasn't even putting off any kind of message that I WANTED his advances, except for the fact that I was THERE.
Which of course was the problem. Shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Just something to think about.
1. It is actually quite easy for some people to become drunk accidentally, simply because they don't know their limit for certain drinks. Maybe a person knows how many beers they can have without getting drunk, but say they try something different- a mixed drink. The first one goes down so smoothly that they don't even feel it, so they have another, and maybe a couple more, when all of the sudden it hits them that they're drunk! Oops. Some mixed drinks can do that.
2. I don't think that there is ANYONE who can resist ALL of the temptations that are available at a night club. At least not for very long, and certainly not if clubbing is a fairly regular thing. When faced with so many different kinds of temptation, at some point, EVERYONE gives in to SOMETHING. Either a few drinks too many, getting in a fight with someone, bad-mouthing someone else at the club for the way they dance/the way they dress/the way they look/something they did or said, flirting with a good looking guy/girl....SOMETHING. Only Jesus could frequent a night club and not find anything about it tempting, and have you ever bumped into Jesus while out dancing? No.
3. Regardless of what YOUR behavior may be while out at a club or bar, you can't possibly know the intentions/thoughts of the other people who are there. Meaning, the likelihood of a man (or woman) looking at you with lust or harmful intentions while at a bar or club is a LOT more than a man (or woman) looking at you that way were you to steer clear of such places altogether and go see a movie or something instead. You can't control what other people think/feel, sometimes even if you're dressed modestly, behaving like a lady, whatever, but what GOOD comes from even BEING in a situation where men ARE likely to ogle you?
I went out to a bar one night a few years back with my husband and a couple of our friends. I was wearing jeans and a thick hooded sweater and boots. I didn't put on make-up or fix my hair nice. When we sat down, it was obvious I was WITH my husband because he had his arm around me. We weren't there a full 5 minutes before an older man who was sitting alone at the bar started sending me drinks and waving at me and winking at me. I was just there to visit with my friends and have a beer, not get picked up!! I wasn't even putting off any kind of message that I WANTED his advances, except for the fact that I was THERE.
Which of course was the problem. Shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Just something to think about.
Interesting question, leelee 
! I wanted to post because it appears that a few of you think that drinking will keep you out of heaven. The truth is that the only reason ANY of us can go to heaven is because of what Someone Else did . The reason Jesus came to Earth when He could have stayed in Heaven was because He wanted to rescue us. There is no way any of us can get into Heaven by behaving ourselves. When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the price for our sins, so we can go to Heaven (walking with Him makes for an infinitely better life down here on Earth, too ). All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Savior; it's the best deal ever offered to the human race!
! I wanted to post because it appears that a few of you think that drinking will keep you out of heaven. The truth is that the only reason ANY of us can go to heaven is because of what Someone Else did . The reason Jesus came to Earth when He could have stayed in Heaven was because He wanted to rescue us. There is no way any of us can get into Heaven by behaving ourselves. When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the price for our sins, so we can go to Heaven (walking with Him makes for an infinitely better life down here on Earth, too ). All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Savior; it's the best deal ever offered to the human race!
M
I definetly agree with that, the one and only time I got so drunk I was ill for days was by accident, people buying me drinks and I felt fine untill they hit me and my memory skips a beat from being at a table in a club to waking up from having passed out on the bathroom floor, I went out with the good intentions and I only bought myself one.
The affect of alcohol in different drinks and different mixtures is impossible to predict as it can depend on what else you've consumed that day and other variable factors.
While I think good precations can spare you from the lions share of the dangers, it can always happen no matter how careful you try to be.
The affect of alcohol in different drinks and different mixtures is impossible to predict as it can depend on what else you've consumed that day and other variable factors.
While I think good precations can spare you from the lions share of the dangers, it can always happen no matter how careful you try to be.
M
Interesting question, leelee ! I wanted to post because it appears that a few of you think that drinking will keep you out of heaven. The truth is that the only reason ANY of us can go to heaven is because of what Someone Else did . The reason Jesus came to Earth when He could have stayed in Heaven was because He wanted to rescue us. There is no way any of us can get into Heaven by behaving ourselves. When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the price for our sins, so we can go to Heaven (walking with Him makes for an infinitely better life down here on Earth, too ). All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Savior; it's the best deal ever offered to the human race!
! I wanted to post because it appears that a few of you think that drinking will keep you out of heaven. The truth is that the only reason ANY of us can go to heaven is because of what Someone Else did . The reason Jesus came to Earth when He could have stayed in Heaven was because He wanted to rescue us. There is no way any of us can get into Heaven by behaving ourselves. When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the price for our sins, so we can go to Heaven (walking with Him makes for an infinitely better life down here on Earth, too ). All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Savior; it's the best deal ever offered to the human race!
God gave us the gift of salvation; He gave us His Son. Is it too much to ask that we give a little back and glorify Him through our actions?
To the above posters: I wasn't trying to make it sound like Jesus doesn't care what we do with our lives; He most certainly wants us to try to please Him, and I wouldn't trade my life with Him for everything in the world (I have a smile on my face as I'm typing this )! Following Him and staying away from sin is much better and happier for us, too; you get rewarded now and later and avoid so much yucky stuff (like an old guy flirting with you, though they may do that anyway, possibly even on this site's chatroom ). The main reason I posted the message I did was because a number of profile pages of the members of this site have the words "my whole life" or "ever since I was born" in the spot where you put when you were saved. I wanted to make sure that these people heard the Gospel at least once in their lives, instead of trusting their family's faith to take them to Heaven. Also, someone did mention not going clubbing as there wouldn't be clubs in Heaven and she didn't want to risk not making it there.
)! Following Him and staying away from sin is much better and happier for us, too; you get rewarded now and later and avoid so much yucky stuff (like an old guy flirting with you, though they may do that anyway, possibly even on this site's chatroom ). The main reason I posted the message I did was because a number of profile pages of the members of this site have the words "my whole life" or "ever since I was born" in the spot where you put when you were saved. I wanted to make sure that these people heard the Gospel at least once in their lives, instead of trusting their family's faith to take them to Heaven. Also, someone did mention not going clubbing as there wouldn't be clubs in Heaven and she didn't want to risk not making it there.
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Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
we are called to be OF christ. we're NOT suppossed to "fit in" if you're fitting in with the rest of the world something is WRONG. the bible says not to be luke warm or he'll spit you out! i don't care what you've been taught or raised to believe but you have to know that YOUR CHURCH will not help you get to heaven. those people you hang around THEY won't be there when you're being judged. you can't look back and say THEY know that i love you. GOD is going to look at you and tell you if Jesus' blood has washed away your sins. have you repented and ment it with your WHOLE heart!
Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
you say that you believe you'll go but only those you run as if they're going to WIN the race are going to make it. don't sit back and think "oh my pastor does it so its ok" NO i don't wanna say anything bad about your pastor but any leader in your church could be going to hell. you don't know their personal life with God. YOU have to fight for YOU and no one else can do it for you. read your bible and know the word for YOURSELF!
Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
lastly I'm done speaking on this because i'm not going to empty out my knowledge on someone who doesn't want to change or understand how to fight for their way into heaven. you're reading this and refuse to think differently because you LIKE where you're at. i'll tell you this if you're not having a hard time fighting for you spiritual life then the devil isn't messing with you AT ALL cause he has you RIGHT where he wants you.
1 Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.
we are called to be OF christ. we're NOT suppossed to "fit in" if you're fitting in with the rest of the world something is WRONG. the bible says not to be luke warm or he'll spit you out! i don't care what you've been taught or raised to believe but you have to know that YOUR CHURCH will not help you get to heaven. those people you hang around THEY won't be there when you're being judged. you can't look back and say THEY know that i love you. GOD is going to look at you and tell you if Jesus' blood has washed away your sins. have you repented and ment it with your WHOLE heart!
Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
you say that you believe you'll go but only those you run as if they're going to WIN the race are going to make it. don't sit back and think "oh my pastor does it so its ok" NO i don't wanna say anything bad about your pastor but any leader in your church could be going to hell. you don't know their personal life with God. YOU have to fight for YOU and no one else can do it for you. read your bible and know the word for YOURSELF!
Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
lastly I'm done speaking on this because i'm not going to empty out my knowledge on someone who doesn't want to change or understand how to fight for their way into heaven. you're reading this and refuse to think differently because you LIKE where you're at. i'll tell you this if you're not having a hard time fighting for you spiritual life then the devil isn't messing with you AT ALL cause he has you RIGHT where he wants you.
1 Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.
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You're body is a temple. If you think it makes you look more beautiful in a sense that its cute then its ok. its not to attract attention or to make someone break their neck trying to look at you. I put on make up cause i think it makes me look cute. i don't wear low cut shirts cause i know that guys aren't gonna look at that and say "oh shes cute" they're gonna think "i wanna hit that"
dancing is fine. but is the dancing something that Jesus would join you in or are you dancing to satisfy your flesh.
dancing is fine. but is the dancing something that Jesus would join you in or are you dancing to satisfy your flesh.
I like what was posted about "the music" at a club. Thats enough right there, I can't even stand the lyrics on the radio. My little sister listens to it, my older sister condones it and my niece listens to it. I have to hear a 8 year old sing about a "magic stick, I know if I can hit once, I can hit twice" my older sister says "ohh they don't even know what its about, its just how it sounds that they like" (yeah that makes it okay) "Mommy why are the people wrestling naked?" "ooooh don't worry honey, they just can't afford clothes its okay."
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I don't understand how vanity is okay if it's your opinion that it's okay, but going clubbing isn't, even if that's your opinion. Nothing's said in the Bible about clubbing (obviously) but vanity is. It's just that opinion thing again - people will say that one thing is really wrong but that other things are okay because they feel it is. But they don't accept that others may have different views.
I can't see why me going clubbing would be a problem. Apart from the fact that getting nice clothes that don't have any cleavage is difficult (I have ridiculously big boobs), I wouldn't be drinking or trying to get with random guys or anything that could pass as bad. I've never dressed provocatively in my life, I rarely drink, and I've never 'pulled' a random person before.
I can't see why me going clubbing would be a problem. Apart from the fact that getting nice clothes that don't have any cleavage is difficult (I have ridiculously big boobs), I wouldn't be drinking or trying to get with random guys or anything that could pass as bad. I've never dressed provocatively in my life, I rarely drink, and I've never 'pulled' a random person before.
I think God convicts each of us individually on issues like these. When I was in college I was absolutely ok with partying (in moderation). Now as I'm older I still like to "go out" once in awhile, but find the behavior of others much more disturbing to see than I used to (the "dry humping" and "skanky dancing" etc.) I myself dance tastefully and don't do anything I wouldn't want Jesus to see, but the whole environment is not as satisfying as it used to be. I thank God that he is moving me forward in my Christian walk where I am more sensitive to things like this, but I would never tell someone that it is a "sin" or "wrong" to go clubbing. That really is between them and God.