The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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A little background on the oneness group since it seems difficult to get the oneness rep in this thread to answer questions
First off, the oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity so of course they do not want anyone to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They believe that God can exist only in one manifestation at a time. No Father or Son or Holy Spirit; just God. So there is no distinction between as we understand the Bible but just different ways that God decides to reveal Himself. Thing is, who is sitting on the right hand of God in heaven if God is now the Holy Spirit indwelling believers and therefore cannot also be in heaven.
But never mind, those questions will not be answered because they reveal the nonsense that oneness is.
Secondly, baptism can only be done in the name of Jesus (or God Jesus I guess) since Oneness is all about oneness and that means God is Jesus etc. Something to consider is this: This teaching started in 1914 when preacher John Schappe said he had a divine revelation where he felt God was telling him we should only be baptized in the name of Jesus. This idea comes from the book of Acts 2:38.
Ah yes. The divine revelation and who are we to question that.
Third, salvation according to oneness individuals is as follows:
Repent and believe in Jesus
Baptism (water) in the name of Jesus ONLY
Infilling of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues necessary and if not, there is no salvation
First off, the oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity so of course they do not want anyone to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They believe that God can exist only in one manifestation at a time. No Father or Son or Holy Spirit; just God. So there is no distinction between as we understand the Bible but just different ways that God decides to reveal Himself. Thing is, who is sitting on the right hand of God in heaven if God is now the Holy Spirit indwelling believers and therefore cannot also be in heaven.
But never mind, those questions will not be answered because they reveal the nonsense that oneness is.
Secondly, baptism can only be done in the name of Jesus (or God Jesus I guess) since Oneness is all about oneness and that means God is Jesus etc. Something to consider is this: This teaching started in 1914 when preacher John Schappe said he had a divine revelation where he felt God was telling him we should only be baptized in the name of Jesus. This idea comes from the book of Acts 2:38.
Ah yes. The divine revelation and who are we to question that.
Third, salvation according to oneness individuals is as follows:
Repent and believe in Jesus
Baptism (water) in the name of Jesus ONLY
Infilling of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues necessary and if not, there is no salvation
no, it is not. just its only those who will not stand for what they believe and are deceptive because they think they will be banned for telling everyone we are not saved because we did not follow the formula of water baptism as they have. If it was so important they would say that because that is what they think. Unlike them, I believe that baptism in the name of Jesus and of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are both valid ways of baptism.
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Thought so,
I just want to say thank you for your insight, knowledge, patience and wisdom.
I went to a Pentecostal church and gathering, I was struggling with severe anxiety (severe childhood trauma due to sexual abuse) and I struggled with my relationship with God.
I went forward for help and prayer.
I was asked if I spoke in tongues and I said no.
I was told that this was evidence that I was not saved and did I want to speak in tongues.
I was devastated and carried that for a long time.
Anyway thank you for your posts.
Bill
I just want to say thank you for your insight, knowledge, patience and wisdom.
I went to a Pentecostal church and gathering, I was struggling with severe anxiety (severe childhood trauma due to sexual abuse) and I struggled with my relationship with God.
I went forward for help and prayer.
I was asked if I spoke in tongues and I said no.
I was told that this was evidence that I was not saved and did I want to speak in tongues.
I was devastated and carried that for a long time.
Anyway thank you for your posts.
Bill
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The issue is the legalism they use to control people with a teaching that is used in One supporting text or verse Acts 2:38
Yet remember it is not only being baptized in Jesus' name, you must speak in tongues too or you're not saved.
The Concept of the Trinity that they says they don't agree with fail to acknowledge that those of us who see the Trun9ie God in Scripture will confess we can not fully comprehend the full Divine Nature of GOD. Some here think they can. Pride and modes, and manifestations of all in one are not supported by the word of GOD Unless you can say I know all there is to know about The Living GOD.
Man is limited and our ability to know God and the Eternal Godhead can only be achieved in the venues God provides. Because we are limited.
Here are the only ways :
1. General Revelation by what God created Roman chapter 1:18-20
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
2. Special Revelation The word of God
Hebrews chapter 1, verses 1 and 2, describes how this special revelation has occurred:
There’s only so much you can tell about an artist from the things he’s created. To really get to know him, we’d need to meet him.
That’s why Jesus is the ultimate example of special revelation.”
3. Relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God
That is it. You can know no more and receive no less.
Yet remember it is not only being baptized in Jesus' name, you must speak in tongues too or you're not saved.
The Concept of the Trinity that they says they don't agree with fail to acknowledge that those of us who see the Trun9ie God in Scripture will confess we can not fully comprehend the full Divine Nature of GOD. Some here think they can. Pride and modes, and manifestations of all in one are not supported by the word of GOD Unless you can say I know all there is to know about The Living GOD.
Man is limited and our ability to know God and the Eternal Godhead can only be achieved in the venues God provides. Because we are limited.
Here are the only ways :
1. General Revelation by what God created Roman chapter 1:18-20
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
2. Special Revelation The word of God
Hebrews chapter 1, verses 1 and 2, describes how this special revelation has occurred:
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
So what we’re being told here is that God has specially revealed Himself by speaking to us: first through the Old Testament prophets but most recently through His Son Jesus Christ. This is special revelation: a specific revealing of what God is like, to a particular people.There’s only so much you can tell about an artist from the things he’s created. To really get to know him, we’d need to meet him.
That’s why Jesus is the ultimate example of special revelation.”
3. Relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God
That is it. You can know no more and receive no less.
Thank you for sharing. I want to say this I have been very vocal on the abuses of those who are of the Pentecostal denominational Charmatics and the foolishness that has been displayed. All fellowships have abuses none more than the office of Pastor. Yet Ten Church is alive and growing I mean the body of Christ, not my denomination I call Baptist, c, and even Cessationist brothers and sisters. Even those we disagree with. I also accept water baptism in the Name of Jesus but it is not the only one that can be done as Roman chapter 6 shows us what it is we are doing when we are baptized in water.
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Like I said in post #54, I don't think that Jesus gave the apostles instructions for a ritual where they had to say specific words for people to be saved; other wise he would have said so, and he wouldn't have phrased it a different way. Having said that; I know that Mormons and others who deny the deity of Christ still use the "trine formula" and I don't think I would consider their baptisms valid; but that's because of the faith and not the formula.
amen, I agree because the born-again experience will produce the reality of Who the word of God is and the Holy Spirit will bring conviction to the person so they can be saved.
1cor chapter 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus [c]accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
1cor chapter 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus [c]accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
That's a relief; for a second there I thought you might've became self-aware and started violating your programming.
Semantics.
Indeed it does; but you know you are dodging the point that Romans 6 doesn't refer to water baptism in Jesus' name- it refers to the baptism of the spirit into Christ Jesus; that's what gives you the power to walk in newness of life; not water baptism.
Semantics.
Indeed it does; but you know you are dodging the point that Romans 6 doesn't refer to water baptism in Jesus' name- it refers to the baptism of the spirit into Christ Jesus; that's what gives you the power to walk in newness of life; not water baptism.
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