The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[ocean]

The hilarious part is that both trinitarian and oneness believe you must go through Yeshua to get to the Father.

I've seen great similarities between both idealism.

Odd to be against one another.

Actually, oneness believes God is Jesus. No separate identity. So no, the belief is not the same.

 

[lrs68]

OK,

I see Water baptism as an act of obedience and public acknowledgment

I believe we are to do it but it's written it's good for our consciousness. Probably the act of obeying plus being buried with Christ is great for our mental state and awareness.

 

[lrs68]

Actually, oneness believes God is Jesus. No separate identity. So no, the belief is not the same.

Actually I believe they see God as One God that manifests Himself in multiple ways. Jesus said God is Spirit and both John and Paul said God manifested Himself into flesh.

 

[CS1]

I believe we are to do it but it's written it's good for our consciousness. Probably the act of obeying plus being buried with Christ is great for our mental state and awareness.

In Roman chapter 6 it states that Baptism was not for a mental sate or awareness it was to signify one who died to sin and is alive in CHrist.

Paul said in Romans 6 we reckon ourselves to be dead to sin.

The Greek translation states it this way: we are to " reckon," which means we are to count it to be so because it is so.

 

[CS1]

Actually I believe they see God as One God that manifests Himself in multiple ways. Jesus said God is Spirit and both John and Paul said God manifested Himself into flesh.

But Christ was before the Body of Jesus came to be.

 

[lrs68]

In Roman chapter 6 it states that Baptism was not for a mental sate or awareness it was to signify one who died to sin and is alive in CHrist.

Paul said in Romans 6 we reckon ourselves to be dead to sin.

The Greek translation states it this way: we are to " reckon," which means we are to count it to be so because it is so.

Peter 3:21. It states that baptism now saves not by the removal of dirt from the body, but by "the answer of a good conscience toward God".

 

[lrs68]

But Christ was before the Body of Jesus came to be.

I am Hebrew and I agree because the christophany appeared as Elohim and I AM and YHVH to Moses.

He is the Creator.

 

[Aaron56]

The OT foreshadows the NT realities. The point is both the High Priest and His Sons were washed, clothed, anointed with oil and finally sprinkled with the blood.

We are clothed with Christ and washed by His blood. Without religious bias this is easy to see.

 

[Aaron56]

Yes, I am a Spirit-Filled Pentecostal Minster and was baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Does it bother you that the New Testament’s use of “Pentecost” in Acts always refers to a Jewish festival?

Perhaps you, too, plan to tarry at Ephesus?

“But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.”

 

[Beckworth]

Si

first let me clarify a point of what I’m saying . I’m in no way saying “ if someone’s baptized by a pastor who doesn’t understand and says “ I baptize you on the name of the father son and Holy Ghost “ I personally don’t believe God is going to hold that against the person and act as if they didn’t get baptized . I wanted to make that clear on my position

but his name is his name that’s the point as Christian’s we’re supposed to recognize that Jesus is the one savior of the world.

when we say “ the father and the son “ we aren’t saying two names thier titles .

This is the name it’s very simple

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t say “ call his name “ authority “ it say Jesus because that’s the name Jesus isn’t a title meaning authority it’s a name.

Try this one in tbe ot it’s sayong the same thing contrarily

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We wouldt say I baptize you on the name of the wonderful counselor or the name of the prince of peace because those are titles the name spoken of is always singular speaking about “ him “ not “ them “

jesus is where God is fully manifest to mankind in one person bodily

abut to reiterate , I’m. It trying to say anyones baptism isn’t effective or anything because someone didn’t realize it’s saying baptize in his name . I don’t believe God is waiting for technicalities to disqualify people. If they repented and confessed the lord and meant the baptism I think he’ll accept it fine . But it’s just a fools opinion who doesn’t have authority to decide those things .

all I was trying to say is the name we’re baptized into in the scripture is not really a debate or question if one sticks to the scripture

so, what about Matthew 28:19? How do you obey Jesus’s command here? Are you saying we just ignore what The Spirit says here? How do you harmonize Matthew 28:19 with the command to baptize into Jesus (name)?

 

[lrs68]

Si


so, what about Matthew 28:19? How do you obey Jesus’s command here? Are you saying we just ignore what The Spirit says here? How do you harmonize Matthew 28:19 with the command to baptize into Jesus (name)?

Too bad you could not ask the Disciples the same question because they didn't baptize according to Matthew 28:19 either.

 

[lrs68]

Just throwing this out here since every example we see the Disciples do we saw them watching Yeshua do.

In fact, the only thing they didn't do was Baptize according to Matthew 28:19.

So since everything else they did can be traced back to what Yeshua did is it possible Matthew 28:19 was mistranslated?

It's the only reason I can think of why the Disciples didn't Baptize that way.

Just a question and nothing more..

 

[SomeDisciple]

Just throwing this out here since every example we see the Disciples do we saw them watching Yeshua do.

That's what good disciples do in the tradition, right? I don't doubt that even the disciples of other rabbis stumbled while trying emulate their teacher. Jesus' disciples failed on more than one occasion. Still do.

In fact, the only thing they didn't do was Baptize according to Matthew 28:19

I think they actually got it right in this case. Especially since they are filled with, and being led by the Holy Ghost to do this evangelism at this point in the scripture. Matthew 28 and Acts 2 are statements that are worded differently but have the same meaning.

So since everything else they did can be traced back to what Yeshua did is it possible Matthew 28:19 was mistranslated?

mistranslation seems extremely unlikely.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Si


so, what about Matthew 28:19? How do you obey Jesus’s command here? Are you saying we just ignore what The Spirit says here? How do you harmonize Matthew 28:19 with the command to baptize into Jesus (name)?

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭

Like this

“For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the name of

the father the son and Holy Ghost in one person is Jesus .

that’s why no one is ever baptized in any other name there aren’t three names there’s the name Jesus in him dwells all the fulness of the godhead ( father son Holy Ghost ) in one Person bodily.

i don’t see it needing to be reconciles I think it’s plainly stated “ be baptized in the name of “the godhead or the trinity “

The name is jesus, my point has always been that simple

 

[Ouch]

Finally:

How Did The Early Church Really Do It?

First, these are not magical incantations. Baptism is not hokus-pokus salvation. Those who insist that Acts 2:38 must be recited in order for the baptism to “work” are guilty of turning baptism into a spell.

But what did the first Christians say as they were baptizing converts? Oneness/Jesus’ Only practitioners say that the book of Acts proves their claim. But if Luke, the writer of Acts, had intended to record word-for-word the exact phrase the baptizer was to utter, then why didn’t he write it the same way every time?

• Acts 2:38 “… in the name of Jesus Christ …”
• 8:16 “… in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
• 10:48 “… in the name of Jesus Christ.”
• 19:5 “ … in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
• 22:16 “… calling on His name.”

One would think that if there is a precise formula of words that needs to be said in order for baptism to “work,” Luke would have been careful enough to record it that way every time. Luke didn’t report a formula, liturgical phrase, or incantation that was said before every baptism. He noted that these baptisms were performed under the authority of Jesus.

The emphasis in every verse is on the person being baptized, not the one doing the baptizing. This is why we don’t read “they were baptized by Paul, who said, ‘in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.’”

But consider Acts 19:2-3. Paul comes to some disciples at Ephesus:

He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.”

Isn’t it odd that Paul answers the admission, “we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit,” by blurting, “Into what then were you baptized?”

His response would make no sense, except that Paul can’t understand how they could have heard the baptizer say, “in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” and yet claim they’d never heard whether there is a Holy Spirit. As soon as they confess their ignorance about the third Person of the Trinity, Paul knows that something was amiss with their baptisms.

I like keeping things simple, you sure use a lot of words to prove your point but never do using HIS WORD. You also are doing A LOT OF TWISTING, saying things that are not true to fit YOUR agenda.

You really make me think of John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

You share scripture proving yourself wrong but can't even see it???

1. So keep it simple just show in HIS word where ANYONE was baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost!!!

2. Show where it’s a public declaration of allegiance to Christ.

Are we to do EVERYTHING in HIS name except in baptism? Why is that?

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Look at the verse just before Matthew 19, verse 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO HIM!!!

Who was JESUS speaking to? Yep HIS DISCIPLES who was under his leadership for app. 3 YEARS 24hrs a day.

THEY KNEW who he was, and when he told them how to baptized they understood. Your saying that they did not obey him.

Also since JESUS is the word, John 1:1, your saying that JESUS himself is wrong!!!

I'm sure you know we will be held accountable for EVERY word out of our mouth.

So please keep it simple and answer those two questions.

 

[Ouch]

Yeah.. being baptized 'for' the remission of sins..

First compare this with salvation verses all through the book of John. Such as John 3:16 and 5:24. Also Romans 10:9-10.

No water baptism is mentioned, but salvation is given.

Now going back to Acts 2:38.. what is the context? What is the condition on not receiving salvation?

Unbelief is the condition on no salvation..not water baptism.

So 'for' the remission of sins.. is akin to.. 'because you already have' remission of sins.

So someone will say a converted person WILL definitely get water baptism. That it is inevitable once converted they WILL get water baptised.

Where is that in scripture?

Question for you.
1. If you believe John 3:16 why not John 3:3 and 5? They were in the same conversation.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

If you hear his words why don't you obey them!! If you don't obey them you will not have everlasting life.

Look at Romans 10:1 (((Brethren))), my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

As you can see Paul is speaking to the church not the unsaved, if you read the rest of that chapter you will see he's telling them to get out and preach the gospel.

Romans 10:9 is a perfect verse proving not once saved always saved. He's telling them to go out confess JESUS. What good are we if we don't?

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 

[Ouch]

There is much evidence in the scriptures of the trinity. At the creation of the world. God spoke, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters and John 1 says that Jesus was there, too. Three personalities.

At the baptism of Jesus we find all three personalities: Jesus, the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove, and God the Father spoke from heaven.

I also believe it is significant that Jesus instructed His disciples to baptize men into all three personalities. Matthew 28:18-19.

I’m sure it does not matter to some people but I think we should do Bible things in Bible ways.

We should follow HIS word, and in every record case baptism was in JESUS name.

 

[Ouch]

Maybe they read this verse ?

Of course many might insist Paul is wrong but it’s really straight forward

“be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You won’t find another name in the nt anyone was baptized into , anyone prayed in , or did anything in other than the name of Jesus

“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you know how your saying three persons ? The whole trinity is in one person , jesus christ

“For in him ( Jesus ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is one and there’s one name

So simple when you use HIS word. Thank you GOD BLESS.

 

[Ouch]

Yes, and it's by grace, not works.

Bing baptized is a work? How do you get rid of sins? Be great is you could use scripture to prove it.

 

[Ouch]

Completely agree with what you wrote. Got to love the ones who complain about Matthew 28:19-20 being added or changed by the RCC, yet they go on to quote Acts 2:38 as if it has any authority when they just claimed the Bible has been edited by the catholics. What if they changed the Acts 2:38 one?

This is a rabbit hole you do not want yourself to go down on. The Bible is reliable and trustworthy, believe it.

His word is clear, how did his disciples baptize? Only ONE WAY, in JESUS name. Unless you can share scripture any other way.