The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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What happens on someone's deathbed does not negate scripture.
God can choose to forgive anyone of their sins at any time and for any reason or no reason at all. But that is not the Gospel presented in the Bible.
We are to accept God's Word and simply obey. We are not to seek out exceptions or loopholes.
God can choose to forgive anyone of their sins at any time and for any reason or no reason at all. But that is not the Gospel presented in the Bible.
We are to accept God's Word and simply obey. We are not to seek out exceptions or loopholes.
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Why do you deny what the Bible clearly teaches concerning the condition of fallen man? And why do you misrepresent what I believe?
That man is hostile towards God, does no good, and is not righteous is easily found in the Bible. What these actually entail may not be readily discernible, but to deny them outright is wrong.
Concerning free will, many conflate the ability to make choices with free will. The ability to make choices is not the same as the ability to make choices unencumbered by other factors. Only Adam and Eve and Jesus were created in the flesh unencumbered by the effects of sin. And only Jesus remained in this estate. So while mankind retains the ability to make choices, man is limited in the choices he can make.
That man is hostile towards God, does no good, and is not righteous is easily found in the Bible. What these actually entail may not be readily discernible, but to deny them outright is wrong.
Concerning free will, many conflate the ability to make choices with free will. The ability to make choices is not the same as the ability to make choices unencumbered by other factors. Only Adam and Eve and Jesus were created in the flesh unencumbered by the effects of sin. And only Jesus remained in this estate. So while mankind retains the ability to make choices, man is limited in the choices he can make.
There's names and I will provide them but this is names like Stott, Luther, and Calvin for starters.
Many scholars and theologians interpret Acts 19:1-7 as a scenario involving water baptism, where Paul encounters disciples of John the Baptist who have not yet received the Holy Spirit and are re-baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus". This interpretation is based on verses 3, 4, and 5, which describe the disciples as having been baptized by John, Paul's instruction that they should believe in Jesus, and their subsequent baptism by Paul in the name of Jesus.
Key Arguments and Interpretations:
John's Baptism as a Precursor:
John the Baptist's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing the way for Jesus.
Paul's Baptism as a Complete Act:
Paul's baptism in the name of Jesus is seen as completing John's baptism and initiating the disciples into the Christian faith.
Receiving the Holy Spirit:
The disciples' subsequent receiving of the Holy Spirit after Paul's re-baptism is a clear indication that they were not yet fully Christian believers.
Emphasis on Belief in Jesus:
Verse 4 highlights that John's baptism was about believing in Jesus, which the disciples had not yet done before Paul's intervention.
Scholarly Views:
John Stott
interprets the passage as a time of transition where the disciples were still operating under the Old Covenant and had not yet fully grasped the new age ushered in by Jesus.
Martin Luther
emphasized the importance of the spoken word and the divine authority behind baptism.
John Calvin and the Westminster Divines
viewed baptism as a symbolic means through which God applies the benefits of salvation.
In Conclusion:
The interpretation of Acts 19:1-7 as a water baptism scenario is widely held among scholars and theologians, with arguments centering around the disciples' prior baptism by John, their subsequent re-baptism by Paul in the name of Jesus, and their reception of the Holy Spirit. However, alternative interpretations and counterarguments exist, highlighting the complexities of biblical interpretation.
Many scholars and theologians interpret Acts 19:1-7 as a scenario involving water baptism, where Paul encounters disciples of John the Baptist who have not yet received the Holy Spirit and are re-baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus". This interpretation is based on verses 3, 4, and 5, which describe the disciples as having been baptized by John, Paul's instruction that they should believe in Jesus, and their subsequent baptism by Paul in the name of Jesus.
Key Arguments and Interpretations:
John's Baptism as a Precursor:
John the Baptist's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing the way for Jesus.
Paul's Baptism as a Complete Act:
Paul's baptism in the name of Jesus is seen as completing John's baptism and initiating the disciples into the Christian faith.
Receiving the Holy Spirit:
The disciples' subsequent receiving of the Holy Spirit after Paul's re-baptism is a clear indication that they were not yet fully Christian believers.
Emphasis on Belief in Jesus:
Verse 4 highlights that John's baptism was about believing in Jesus, which the disciples had not yet done before Paul's intervention.
Scholarly Views:
John Stott
interprets the passage as a time of transition where the disciples were still operating under the Old Covenant and had not yet fully grasped the new age ushered in by Jesus.
Martin Luther
emphasized the importance of the spoken word and the divine authority behind baptism.
John Calvin and the Westminster Divines
viewed baptism as a symbolic means through which God applies the benefits of salvation.
In Conclusion:
The interpretation of Acts 19:1-7 as a water baptism scenario is widely held among scholars and theologians, with arguments centering around the disciples' prior baptism by John, their subsequent re-baptism by Paul in the name of Jesus, and their reception of the Holy Spirit. However, alternative interpretations and counterarguments exist, highlighting the complexities of biblical interpretation.
Sorry that is not true, we need to rightly divide the word.
JESUS only baptism is proven in GOD'S word, no one comes up with it. IT IS IN HIS WORD.
When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.
JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.
JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4-5
He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.
Now you not have to wonder any longer.
GOD BLESS.
JESUS only baptism is proven in GOD'S word, no one comes up with it. IT IS IN HIS WORD.
When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.
JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.
JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4-5
He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.
Now you not have to wonder any longer.
GOD BLESS.
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This is what you wrote in Post# 373:
"The teaching of Scripture is that remission only comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9)."
"Remission only" is nowhere mentioned in those verses, period!
You added this to your understanding of the verses in order to support faith alone regeneration theology.
Your insistence in adding an all-encompassing definitive such as "only" or "alone" is a red flag of a weak theology.
Ephesians 2:8-9 is a true but general statement such as "I am going to the store".
Does this mean that the person is going to the store alone?
Can you not show at least one verse that supports your faith alone regeneration theology without the need to surmise "alone"?!?!
Just one.
"The teaching of Scripture is that remission only comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9)."
"Remission only" is nowhere mentioned in those verses, period!
You added this to your understanding of the verses in order to support faith alone regeneration theology.
Your insistence in adding an all-encompassing definitive such as "only" or "alone" is a red flag of a weak theology.
Ephesians 2:8-9 is a true but general statement such as "I am going to the store".
Does this mean that the person is going to the store alone?
Can you not show at least one verse that supports your faith alone regeneration theology without the need to surmise "alone"?!?!
Just one.
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It’s just that some define terms differently
some define faith as - the reason that you never need to do anything God says now because you have faith and he’s been gracious and chosen you.
others first want to learn what the term faith means biblically when it’s used, and they understand faith isn’t a replacement for obeying Gods word ….it’s the power we receive from Gods word to obey and be blessed by what he’s told us in truth.
baptism is something we’re ever only going to sincerely do , when we believe the doctrine teaching believers what it means and what it’s done for and how it applies to those who do it .
If I believed this about baptism
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:10-13
It tends to appear that many already know that what Paul’s teaching there can’t really be true because they have faith instead. But if we did learn and believe the things they taught that’s different …
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
…knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7, 11 KJV
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
Romans 7:4 KJV
if we believed what they taught us to believe about baptism everyone would just get baptized and rejoice knowing in Christ we are heirs of the promise…
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
But because of “ faith “ it seems no one needs to hear and know what’s really there in the New Testament doctrine .
I mean …“We have faith lol why do we need to listen to God or do anything he said ?”
the goal of all untrue doctrine is to avoid the gospel words of Jesus Christ that are forever and promise believers eternal life . We sort of today create our own versions of God but he’s only ever going to honor the things he taught for truth and salvation
some define faith as - the reason that you never need to do anything God says now because you have faith and he’s been gracious and chosen you.
others first want to learn what the term faith means biblically when it’s used, and they understand faith isn’t a replacement for obeying Gods word ….it’s the power we receive from Gods word to obey and be blessed by what he’s told us in truth.
baptism is something we’re ever only going to sincerely do , when we believe the doctrine teaching believers what it means and what it’s done for and how it applies to those who do it .
If I believed this about baptism
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:10-13
It tends to appear that many already know that what Paul’s teaching there can’t really be true because they have faith instead. But if we did learn and believe the things they taught that’s different …
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
…knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7, 11 KJV
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
Romans 7:4 KJV
if we believed what they taught us to believe about baptism everyone would just get baptized and rejoice knowing in Christ we are heirs of the promise…
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
But because of “ faith “ it seems no one needs to hear and know what’s really there in the New Testament doctrine .
I mean …“We have faith lol why do we need to listen to God or do anything he said ?”
the goal of all untrue doctrine is to avoid the gospel words of Jesus Christ that are forever and promise believers eternal life . We sort of today create our own versions of God but he’s only ever going to honor the things he taught for truth and salvation
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