Correct.
That's what heretic cults are convinced they have.
What is?
About how biblical heresy works, as opposed to what heretic hunters consider to be heresy.
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You asked what the scripture tells us?
Well here is what is written in my Bible.
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit,
explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
1 Corinthians 12:1
Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.
1 Corinthians 12:8
To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge
by means of the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that
what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
Numbers 11:25
Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the Spirit
that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—
but did not do so again.
Surely you have read the scripture and noticed that the power of the Holy Spirit was always available?
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
Yes, I have read and noticed and agree. None of your texts contradict what I wrote.
Paul said ".....and many have suffered shipwreck"
Does not osas reply in circles?
" they never had a ship to start with? "
In the theory of osas the believer can sin and God gives a wink.
"No sin can take away salvation."
Under that theory a believer could deny Christ and repent later.
IOW ALL martyrs for 2000 years died needlessly. They could deny Christ and believe their doctrine over rides Jesus words.
"If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father."
"No sin can take away salvation."
Under that theory a believer could deny Christ and repent later.
IOW ALL martyrs for 2000 years died needlessly. They could deny Christ and believe their doctrine over rides Jesus words.
"If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father."
The Apostle Paul enlightened us about this very topic which is the premises of this very thread.
4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance
4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance
Some OSAS take that position, but the correct position is they (those saved) instead of moving forward in trust not for salvation but for worthy walk went off course and moving away from a good and clear conscience back to condemnation.
Holding fast to faith and having a good (clear) conscience. By rejecting and thrusting from them [their conscience], some individuals have made shipwreck of their faith. (1 Tim 1:19, AMP)
What I said is well known not some idiosyncratic idea of mine. Apparently, y
Answer your own question: what is Dr. Bechtle's interpretation of the book of Isaiah if you are not too intimidated to attempt it?
1. I was not asking for anyone to help me understand it. What I said is well known came from A. T. Robertson and nd Daniel Wallace. I have read many other Grammar works as well which does not mean I know everything. No one who has studied Greek understands that much
2. Looking back I saw that your Michael Bechthe was the very author I quote occasionally when describing use of the the Greek Present Tense. Are you saying you did not know that that was my reference
1. Present Tense
In English, we know that the present tense describes something happening right now. It informs us of the time when an action takes place.
In Greek, however, the present tense primarily tells us the type of action. The Greek present tense indicates continued action, something that happens continually or repeatedly, or something that is in the process of happening. If you say, for instance, “The sun is rising,” you are talking about a process happening over a period of time, not an instantaneous event. The Greeks use the present tense to express this kind of continued action.
https://ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/
ContextWhat you call "their view" is consistent with what Scripture teaches.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
None of that implies that they were sincere believers that were so convincing that they fooled the Apostles.
On the other hand those clearly saved ( in other passages , not that one you used) did depart from the faith as the bible demonstrates.
Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Also in the produgal pairable, the father never went after the son that departed from his father's family and from his father himself
It was only the effort of the produgal that he would save and restored back to the Father.
Saved ( belonged to the father...then departed into sin)
vivid depiction of departing the faith, and it would be ridiculous to try and say "he never was family" (saved)
that parable alone prohibits a "he never was saved" theory.
I can look that one up also, if people are not familiar with it
It was only the effort of the produgal that he would save and restored back to the Father.
Saved ( belonged to the father...then departed into sin)
vivid depiction of departing the faith, and it would be ridiculous to try and say "he never was family" (saved)
that parable alone prohibits a "he never was saved" theory.
I can look that one up also, if people are not familiar with it