Loss of salvation???

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what was God obeying when God asked John to baptize Him?

what happened in the Jordan river at that spot in the testimony of the scripture that had already been given before He came?

what had Christ previously done there?
Genesis 32:10​
for I crossed over this Jordan with my staff
2 Kings 6:6​
So the man of God said,
"Where did it fall?"
And he showed him the place. So he cut off a stick, and threw [it] in there; and he made the iron float.
Mark 15:21​
Then they compelled a certain man, Simon a Cyrenian, the father of Alexander and Rufus, as he was coming out of the country and passing by, to bear His cross.
Zechariah 3:8-9
Hear, O Joshua, the high priest, You and your companions who sit before you, for they are a wondrous sign;
for behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH. for behold, The Stone that I have laid before Joshua:
upon the stone [are] seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,
Says the LORD of hosts,
And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
 
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I like keeping things simple
you still think scripture is "simple"...?

Proverbs 1:22-23​
How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity?
For scorners delight in their scorning,
And fools hate knowledge.
Turn at my rebuke;
Surely I will pour out my spirit on you;
I will make my words known to you.
 
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What about what JESUS says in

John 3:5
let's ask again,

did you cause yourself to be conceived and born?
have you ever changed your past?

please continue reading and note that the teacher of Israel asked, how? and the God of Israel replied, no one but the Son of Man Who has descended and Who is in heaven has ever ascended to heaven: whoever believes Him has eternal life.

pretty good opportunity for God to have said "participate in ritualistic water baptism" if that was the answer. it apparently is not the answer.
 

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Sorry I should have shared more verses.

John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He was finished as a human on the cross BUT HE WAS NOT DONE HE'S ALIVE.

Thousands was finsihed as a human BUT ONE ROSE, if he didn't rise he would have just been like the rest.

HIM RISING makes it so we can rise when we get baptized in HIS name.

If we don't we never get rid of our sins.

If we don't get rid of our sins, along with repenting and being filled with HIS spirit we will not enter heaven.
Mate, you could share the whole Bible and still be without understanding.
 

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new to this Christianity thing?

John 3:36​
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
:unsure:
What does HIS word say how to be reborn.


What is JESUS saying in

John 3:5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
 
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What does HIS word say how to be reborn.
you're acting as though you aren't worth talking to.

i have answered you a dozen times.


the teacher of Israel asked, how? and the God of Israel replied, no one but the Son of Man Who has descended and Who is in heaven has ever ascended to heaven: whoever believes Him has eternal life.

enjoy your foolish simplicity ((proverbs 1)) while it lasts.
 

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What does HIS word say how to be reborn.


What is JESUS saying in

John 3:5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
He is saying you have to be born physically alive into the world and be born spiritually from above.

John 3:6
"flesh gives birth to flesh, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

The problem with reading the "water" as being John's baptism (with water) is that many believers, from Adam to Moses for example, will not be entering the Kingdom of God as water baptism was not always in practice.

It is why John uses this exchange between Jesus and Nicodemus as the springboard for saying our belief in Christ is the central pivot between receiving eternal life or remaining in eternal condemnation.

John 3:18
He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Those who do not believe are condemned to remain spiritually dead in their sin exactly as we came into this world, but those who believe in Christ are born of God which, is to be made spiritually alive, saved from death.
 

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He is saying you have to be born physically alive into the world and be born spiritually from above.

John 3:6
"flesh gives birth to flesh, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

The problem with reading the "water" as being John's baptism (with water) is that many believers, from Adam to Moses for example, will not be entering the Kingdom of God as water baptism was not always in practice.

It is why John uses this exchange between Jesus and Nicodemus as the springboard for saying our belief in Christ is the central pivot between receiving eternal life or remaining in eternal condemnation.

John 3:18
He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Those who do not believe are condemned to remain spiritually dead in their sin exactly as we came into this world, but those who believe in Christ are born of God which, is to be made spiritually alive, saved from death.
The first ones reborn was those who were responsile for putting him on the cross.

Acts 2
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

They heard the message, OBEYED and THREE THOUSANDS souls were added.

The message is for us TODAY will you obey or not?
 

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you're acting as though you aren't worth talking to.

i have answered you a dozen times.





enjoy your foolish simplicity ((proverbs 1)) while it lasts.
The first ones reborn was those who were responsile for putting him on the cross.

Acts 2
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

They heard the message, OBEYED and THREE THOUSANDS souls were added.

The message is for us TODAY will you obey or not?
 

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Wake up! Wake up! Arise and shine for your light has come and the glory of the LORD rises upon you!- Isaiah 60:1

Isaiah 26:19
Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Malachi 4:2
“But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like calves from the stall.

John 1:4-5
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. / The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Colossians 1:13
He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son,

Isaiah 9:2
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death, a light has dawned.


Some might regard OT declarations as dispensational. The very implication of 'dispensation' suggests so much as His grace is dispensable, doesn't it?
 
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The first ones reborn was those who were responsile for putting him on the cross.
a much better argument is that Eve was the first reborn, when her name was changed from Woman - or Adam, when he, having heard and believing the gospel, changed it for her.
 
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Some might regard OT declarations as dispensational. The very implication of 'dispensation' suggests so much as His grace is dispensable, doesn't it?
it seems to escape many people, that Christ and the apostles explained Salvation through Him exclusively by quoting the OT, and what Jesus had done - - and that Jesus said everything He did was written beforehand.

there really isn't an 'old' and 'new' testament: it is all one testimony.

the entire gospel is in the OT, if we just look for Him there, and He is gracious enough to open our eyes to Him
 

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The first ones reborn was those who were responsile for putting him on the cross.
ROFL

You do realise don't you by claiming the first to hear the Gospel were the first to be reborn has a spiritually dead apostle preaching the Gospel. :rolleyes:

You're ignorance is quite amusing if it wasn't so sad.
 

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how many of us in this conversation do you imagine are unbaptized?

because my guess is zero
Honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if there might be a ring in here. Refuses to acknowledge the Cross as the place where sin is dealt with, has no understanding of regeneration? I know of another religion that is quite hostile to Christianity and Judaism that would adhere to those beliefs.
 
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Mate, you could share the whole Bible and still be without understanding.
1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.