The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Why so defensive? You do know, thank you.

You started this, you responded to someone and said in #1,465

"Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation"

So my second qustion THAT YOU NEVER ANSWERED WAS.

PROVE WITH HIS WORD, Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation.

Now that you admit Sin will not enter Heaven you need to show HOW WE GET RID OF IT???

So 1. prove the baptizm part and 2. with scripture tell us how we get rid of our sins.

DON'T SAY JESUS PAID FOR THEM, HE DID IN FACT but that's WHAT HE DID I want to KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO????

OK, prove that Baptism is the first act of a believer.

1. Let's start with Jesus, who did not sin but was baptized with water before he began his earthly ministry. Are we greater than our Lord? Matthew 3:13-17
2. ACTS 2:38 38 Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized,* every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Here, we see Repentance is #1, and then be baptized.

3. Jesus said in Mark 1:14-16
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

4. Jesus again John3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

5. Romans chapter 10:9-10

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


FYI, do you have to confess before you are water-baptized, or do you believe after water baptism?

Water Baptism is an act of Faith by one who has been saved because they had to believe before they did it. IF not what are they being baptized into?

Read Romans 6 and learn the grammatical structure.

6. 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Don't you know why you were baptized? Paul is saying that what you freely did was take part in the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, from the old man of sin to the new man in Christ. A Grave experience.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Reckon yourselves to be dead to sin. The word 'reckon' means ' count it to be so because it is so.'

Now, there is the word of God. Please now ignore it 6 verses and passages and text for you to do whatever you like

 

[Wansvic]

Those in Sin do not know, or understand sin; or its' price!
That is why is there so much, FALSE salvation Today. Come up hefe and confess and be saved, is the shout.
Be save from What ? How?

There is only One true salvation for mankind; and it was paid on The Cross! Water baptism was what The Apostle John was doing before His salvation!
So why then, is This still being done by many churches Today? Because It makes for a good show!
This is a price to be paid by Those that do This Thing!
Does water take away sin and grant spiritual salvation to a person? Then there is no need for Jesus having died on The Cross!

So who is spiritually correct; man or The Spirit Of God ? You have your choice. Be sure and make Your choice the correct One!
Deepseeker

Scripture reveals Jesus died for the sins of all humanity. And those who believe in Jesus and His sacrifice, and repent and submit to water baptism in Jesus' name for remission of their sins shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. This promise applies to all those living in the NT.

 

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OK, prove that Baptism is the first act of a believer.

1. Let's start with Jesus, who did not sin but was baptized with water before he began his earthly ministry. Are we greater than our Lord? Matthew 3:13-17
2. ACTS 2:38 38 Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized,* every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Here, we see Repentance is #1, and then be baptized.

3. Jesus said in Mark 1:14-16
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

4. Jesus again John3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

5. Romans chapter 10:9-10

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


FYI, do you have to confess before you are water-baptized, or do you believe after water baptism?

Water Baptism is an act of Faith by one who has been saved because they had to believe before they did it. IF not what are they being baptized into?

Read Romans 6 and learn the grammatical structure.

6. 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Don't you know why you were baptized? Paul is saying that what you freely did was take part in the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, from the old man of sin to the new man in Christ. A Grave experience.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Reckon yourselves to be dead to sin. The word 'reckon' means ' count it to be so because it is so.'

Now, there is the word of God. Please now ignore it 6 verses and passages and text for you to do whatever you like

Everything is past tense. You repent, believe, and receive, then you are water baptized, unless you think to speak the name over a person as they are down in the water, and they are saved. They did not have to repent; they just had to get baptized.

Did not have to believe who they were being baptized into. LOL.

Don't preach sin sends one to hell and that Jesus is the only way to salvation: faith in death, burial, and resurrection. Nope

Just get in the water and go done in the name of Jesus.

 

[Wansvic]

again I will show the word of GOD John 14 was before the resurrection.

Luke 24:49 and John 20:22 were after Jesu was resurrected. Context.

Jesus breathed on them in John 20:22, and they received the Holy Spirit. The effect of that was their Understanding was open Luke 24:44-49.

Pre-crucifixion and Post resurrection. Context is different. Acts 1:8 states that the Holy Spirit was given then for the power to be a witness to the Lord, as Jesus said. Jesus, when HE comes upon you the same language as John 14. They had the Holy Spirit because He opened their understanding. Spiritual discernment is not carnal.

No matter how many times you share those two scriptures does not change what Jesus told His disciples in John 14.

 

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Scripture reveals Jesus died for the sins of all humanity. And those who believe in Jesus and His sacrifice, and repent and submit to water baptism in Jesus' name for remission of their sins shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. This promise was given to those living in the NT.

and , and , and and add.

You have only 1 verse from Peter Acts 2:38 and built a false narrative around that one verse.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of GOD unto salvation. Then, water baptism typically occurs after one is saved. If not, why were they baptized? Who were they baptized into? How did they know and hear the gospel message of sin and the need to repent?
Why did Paul say he was not sent to be baptized in 1cor chapter 1? BUt he was ent to do what?


1cor chapter 1

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.


18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. Not water baptism?

22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

I have provided many scriptures to prove your point is an error.

 

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No matter how many times you share those two scriptures does not change what Jesus told His disciples in John 14.

Does it prove you don't know the context? Do you approach the Old Testament the same way? Do we still need to do sacrifices of bulls and goats?

Whether you understand it or not, there is a context of what Jesus said to His disciples before the resurrection and the actions Jesus did and said after His resurrection. Jesus stayed with them for 40 days after the resurrection.

John 14 and John chapter 20 are very much pre- and post-context of the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection.

 

[CS1]

Here is the Bottom Line: those who teach that you are not saved if you have not been baptized in Jesus' name only are in Error and unbiblical. Legalistic, controlling, and will tell you that you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit if you leave them. As those here will not tell you that because they are more concerned about being banned than being honest.


They only circle their wagon around one verse, yet are incapable of even knowing that Jesus did not speak in King James English.

If being baptized in Jesus' name is so vital for salvation, then why are you not speaking His name in Hebrew when you do it? Or Greek?


That is because " in the name of means by the authority by which I come, say, or do of the one who sent me.

FYI, " Apostle" Means: SENT OUT ONES.

 

[Ouch]

Ok

Have you sinned since you were baptised?

Of course, after we have been reborn.

1 John :8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

 

[Wansvic]

Yes I saw your error. Again, why did you not include Chapter 1? Paul said he was not sent to baptize.


10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Why I would bring up chapter 1 when your post was specifically about chapter 15 is beyond me. However, I have no problem addressing Paul's comments in 1 Corinthians chapter 1.

Paul was tasked with preaching the gospel, that by the way included water baptism as revealed in scripture. (Acts 18:8, 19:1-7, 1 Cor. 1:14) However, as Paul said, he was sent to preach not baptize the people. The account in Acts 18 reveals many were baptized but Crispus was the only one that Paul baptized as revealed in 1 Cor. 1:14. Clearly, those with Paul were the ones that baptized those of Crispus' household and other Corinthians:

Scriptures for reference:
"And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." 1 Cor. 18:8

"I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name." 1 Cor. 1:14

 

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Of course, after we have been reborn.

1 John :8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

I Have Followed my Lord in obedience to water baptism and Publicly stood for Christ. Before being water baptized, I understood why I was water baptized, and the action I took was because I was saved. Moreover, I received the gift of the Holy Spirit and was called and anointed Minister of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Filled with the Holy Spirit. As Jesus said in Acts 1:8

I was baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. That is what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19

 

[Ouch]

LOL, defensive, haha haha. You said, " YOU don't know." Yes, I did say salvation happens before one is water-baptized because what you fail, you see in scripture

IS Salvation the effect of grace through faith. Baptism is an act of Obedience, and you can't obey if you are dead in sin.

So you really believe a person can never get rid of their sins and go to heaven!

I hope no one follow your advice.

You forgot to back up what came out of your mouth!!

So 1. prove the baptizm part and 2. with scripture tell us how we get rid of our sins.

What happens when you don't follow HIS word just makes more and more questoins.

So show me ANYWHERE in HIS word that says faith or grace removes sins.

"Baptism is an act of Obedience, and you can't obey if you are dead in sin"????

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN???

Keep it simple just answer those questions.

 

[Wansvic]

and , and , and and add.

You have only 1 verse from Peter Acts 2:38 and built a false narrative around that one verse.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of GOD unto salvation. Then, water baptism typically occurs after one is saved. If not, why were they baptized? Who were they baptized into? How did they know and hear the gospel message of sin and the need to repent?
Why did Paul say he was not sent to be baptized in 1cor chapter 1? BUt he was ent to do what?


1cor chapter 1

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.


18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. Not water baptism?

22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

I have provided many scriptures to prove your point is an error.

During our many discussions, I have provided many scriptures that prove the gospel message includes the requirement of water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin as established by God.

 

[Ouch]

I Have Followed my Lord in obedience to water baptism and Publicly stood for Christ. Before being water baptized, I understood why I was water baptized, and the action I took was because I was saved. Moreover, I received the gift of the Holy Spirit and was called and anointed Minister of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Filled with the Holy Spirit. As Jesus said in Acts 1:8

I was baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. That is what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19

Yea I know you were baptized the way JESUS told HIS disciples to baptize. But HIS disciple LIED to us in Acts 2. So you say you were filled with the Holy Ghost like in Acts 2:4??

 

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Why I would bring up chapter 1 when your post was specifically about chapter 15 is beyond me. However, I have no problem addressing Paul's comments in 1 Corinthians chapter 1.

Paul was tasked with preaching the gospel, that by the way included water baptism as revealed in scripture. (Acts 18:8, 19:1-7, 1 Cor. 1:14) However, as Paul said, he was sent to preach not baptize the people. The account in Acts 18 reveals many were baptized but Crispus was the only one that Paul baptized as revealed in 1 Cor. 1:14. Clearly, those with Paul were the ones that baptized those of Crispus' household and other Corinthians:

Scriptures for reference:
"And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." 1 Cor. 18:8

"I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name." 1 Cor. 1:14

Because it is contextual to chapter three.

FYI, No one wrote the letters in the Bible with chapters and verses or in King James English. That was all added.

That is why it is essential to read before and after a verse, sentence, chapter, and book so that you can understand the author's intent.

• Who was he writing to?
• What time frame was it written in
• how did they apply it, then
• and how do we apply it today

 

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So you really believe a person can never get rid of their sins and go to heaven!

I hope no one follow your advice.

You forgot to back up what came out of your mouth!!

So 1. prove the baptizm part and 2. with scripture tell us how we get rid of our sins.

What happens when you don't follow HIS word just makes more and more questoins.

So show me ANYWHERE in HIS word that says faith or grace removes sins.

"Baptism is an act of Obedience, and you can't obey if you are dead in sin"????

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN???

Keep it simple just answer those questions.

Are you serious? Again, go ahead and attack me all you want. I am not the issue. The error of baptism in Jesus' name only is.

 

[CS1]

During our many discussions, I have provided many scriptures that prove the gospel message includes the requirement of water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin as established by God.

and so have I, and you will not respond to the hard questions out of fear of being banned

 

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Yea I know you were baptized the way JESUS told HIS disciples to baptize. But HIS disciple LIED to us in Acts 2. So you say you were filled with the Holy Ghost like in Acts 2:4??

So you are saying that Jesus'' disciples lied to us. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're joking.


Again, in the name of was not meant to be said when you were baptized; it was the authority by which it was done. You have no proof of any record of one water baptism in scriptures where the words were said as they were water baptized. You assume that The only person in the Bible where someone was speaking was Jesus Baptism when the Father spoke.

The empowerment of the Holy Spirit that our Lord spoke about in Acts 1:8, I have received. NO rushing mighty wind or cloven tongues of fire.

NO gold dust, no angels singing.

 

[BillG]

Of course, after we have been reborn.

1 John :8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Surely based on your theology you would have to be baptised again as you say this is the only way to get rid of your sins?

Does not V9 above clearly state that confessions of sin are forgiven?

 

[BillG]

Of course, after we have been reborn.

1 John :8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Further more if you forgot to confess a sin(s) then you are not getting into heaven are you?

 

[Ouch]

Are you serious? Again, go ahead and attack me all you want. I am not the issue. The error of baptism in Jesus' name only is.

Why all the danceing around the questions?

Now that you we got this down, Sin will not enter Heaven you need to show

1. HOW WE GET RID OF OUR SINS???

2. PROVE WITH HIS WORD, Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation.

3. So show me ANYWHERE in HIS word that says faith or grace removes sins.

You said "Baptism is an act of Obedience, and you can't obey if you are dead in sin"????

4. WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN???