Why did God create Humans ?

[Hakawaka]

The deity of Christ is a confusing concept when first given to a baby Christian.
It requires listening to the right inner leading to find the truth needed to become resolved and secure.
Those who fear being shamed for believing it have a problem.

Indeed. There are very few trinitarians around. People claim to believe the trinity, but if you examine their beliefs more closely, mosts are oneness believers or arians with a twist.

Either Jesus is God the Father who became flesh, or Jesus is God the Son, the lesser god compared to the Father, who became flesh. This is what most christians believe, while claiming to believe the trinity.

But this again doesn't really matter, as long as you believe what the Bible teaches, that Jesus is the Son of God, God in the flesh, son of man, Lord, lamb of God, you are good to go. All the other stuff is just theological and philosophical stuff that divides people and causes arguments and anathemas for no biblically viable reason.

 

[GWH]

NO....

We are saved by grace!

Grace is God's power to overcome our helpless state of weakness.

While we were being given the Gospel...
Grace takes the sin nature and suppresses it.

In that manner, our soul was made free from the tyranny of the flesh.
While in that state of enabling grace?
Our soul is truly made free to be as we choose to be.
We can still reject! Freely reject.

At that moment of enabling grace is when we are to choose -
Either for -or, against - the Lord!

That is a state of complete and pure accountability!

If you always wanted to believe?
You were (by grace) made free to believe!
You want to reject?
Can not say, "my flesh made me do it."

In that state of grace enabling, God provided the Word of God (to become our faith).
And when we believed, he grabbed us up and sealed us for forever!

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. ​

Romans 10:17

NO? So souls are NOT justly accountable for how they exercise their God-given MFW/faith?

Yes, God's grace enables overcoming the sinner's helpless sin nature to either accept or reject grace,
which is what makes souls accountable.

Sealed forever/OSAS. That is what I was taught while being raised in a SBC church.
SBC rejects TULI but accepts P! IOW, SBC doctrine believes sinners have MFW until they are saved and then lose it!

 

[HeIsHere]

Him and I were big buddies for way too long!

I got a shiver when scrolling through the posts!

I had two of his books and the books contradicted each other, and as a newer believer I was left feeling very confused, I actually tossed those books out, because I sensed something off there.

Yeah, those "shivers" are not a good feeling.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God has no ego problem. When someone says "God" I assume that they are talking about the Father. The one, supreme God and Father of all.

But when the Bible says "God" -- I have to take a moment and consult the Hebrew, because when the Bible says "God" it isn't the same as "LORD" or "Lord God" or "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" or any of those monikers we apply in english to the Father/God.

Like where the Bible says "In the beginning 'God' created the heavens and the earth" -- no. The Hebrew says it was the elohim who did this... and Moses himself is the writer making the clear distinction. He could have written that the LORD was the creator, but he instead made a point of saying it was more generic. Elohim. Divine/Spiritual beings--- sons, or children, or offspring of the Father, who were the ones who developed this strange fascination with earthly images of themselves. They were the ones who had ego problems. They were the ones who "fell" into idolatry and thought themselves to be like "God" and there was no bigger ego problem than that of Lucifer, one of the most beautiful and powerful spiritual beings who fell into sin and was cast from heaven to earth.

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4:35‬ ‭KJV‬

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Genez]

Indeed. There are very few trinitarians around. People claim to believe the trinity, but if you examine their beliefs more closely, mosts are oneness believers or arians with a twist.

Either Jesus is God the Father who became flesh, or Jesus is God the Son, the lesser god compared to the Father, who became flesh. This is what most christians believe, while claiming to believe the trinity.

But this again doesn't really matter, as long as you believe what the Bible teaches, that Jesus is the Son of God, God in the flesh, son of man, Lord, lamb of God, you are good to go. All the other stuff is just theological and philosophical stuff that divides people and causes arguments and anathemas for no biblically viable reason.

Jesus is God being interpreted and translated into "human-speak."
Making God relatable to man.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18​

​

It is the humanity (which is not God) that God uses to make what we can not natively know (Deity).

He is the one who takes all we can not naturally know about God, and exegetes God in a manner so we will be able to comprehend God!

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

If He is not also God? He could not see God. And, we would not be knowing God as much as a man can know God!

God found a way to make what can not be seen, heard, or touched... Knowable to man. = Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God, making God knowable to man.

 

[Genez]

NO? So souls are NOT justly accountable for how they exercise their God-given MFW/faith?

Yes, God's grace enables overcoming the sinner's helpless sin nature to either accept or reject grace,
which is what makes souls accountable.

Sealed forever/OSAS. That is what I was taught while being raised in a SBC church.
SBC rejects TULI but accepts P! IOW, SBC doctrine believes sinners have MFW until they are saved and then lose it!

Stop all the BLTADR's!.
People come here to learn for the first time.
You come here to obscure it.

Lazy one are U!

 

[Genez]

NO? So souls are NOT justly accountable for how they exercise their God-given MFW/faith?

Yes, God's grace enables overcoming the sinner's helpless sin nature to either accept or reject grace,
which is what makes souls accountable.

Sealed forever/OSAS. That is what I was taught while being raised in a SBC church.
SBC rejects TULI but accepts P! IOW, SBC doctrine believes sinners have MFW until they are saved and then lose it!

RDLYD? PM DTST!

It was obvious. You're screwing with us.

 

[Hakawaka]

Jesus is God being interpreted and translated into "human-speak."
Making God relatable to man.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18​

​

It is the humanity (which is not God) that God uses to make what we can not natively know (Deity).

He is the one who takes all we can not naturally know about God, and exegetes God in a manner so we will be able to comprehend God!

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

If He is not also God? He could not see God. And, we would not be knowing God as much as a man can know God!

God found a way to make what can not be seen, heard, or touched... Knowable to man. = Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God, making God knowable to man.

Great explanation!

 

[Genez]

Great explanation!

Thank you....

I want to add something.

If it were not for Pastor Ralph G. Braun showing me the Greek meaning of John 1:18 (that Jesus exegetes the Father to mankind)
I would not have been able to put it together the way the HS has guided me into.


Grace and peace!

 

[Kroogz]

Thank you....

I want to add something.

If it were not for Pastor Ralph G. Braun showing me the Greek meaning of John 1:18 (that Jesus exegetes the Father to mankind)
I would not have been able to put it together the way the HS has guided me into.


Grace and peace!

Is he(was) Austin bible church? Or has something to do with it?

I have been to that site before.

 

[Genez]

Is he(was) Austin bible church? Or has something to do with it?

I have been to that site before.

Yes.... He pastored there for a season.
I believe he also pastored the Grace Bible Church in Brookings, Oregon.

He is one pastor who compiled a Categorical Doctrine Notebook.
Mine had 1000 doctrines compiled in Readers Digest concise, condensed form.
That notebook got me sea worthy.

 

[Kroogz]

Yes.... He pastored there for a season.
I believe he also pastored the Grace Bible Church in Brookings, Oregon.

He is one pastor who compiled a Categorical Doctrine Notebook.
Mine had 1000 doctrines compiled in Readers Digest concise, condensed form.
That notebook got me sea worthy.

Can a person still get this?

For anyone interested, this is another Grace teacher.....

https://cgtruth.org/

 

[homwardbound]

Another question for open discussion

Why did God create Human kind.?

When i first heard of God / Jesus in a Youth Group they taught God created humankind as he wanted fellowship with a species that had free will

I of course read the bible and it soon became apparent that the Angels that God created first already had free will. eg Lucifer chose to disobey.

So why?

I still not sure why , so happy to hear peoples thoughts.

Love, cannot be true without giving free will to choose, no free choice, then Love is not real, and we all would be puppets to do God's will, which is what man religion is doing, only Father can reveal this to whoever are sincere, thanks
Now, there are those that choose, to not love and only love the self and their immediate families, and may be a few more.
Now, if I harm others and tell them to obey or else, then who is being a tyrant, you!?, Not God
Ezekiel 18:25-32
Psalm 82
Now, I see Love to all, even though all will not love me back. okay. God Father and risen Son Jesus are standing and waiting patiently, no condemning Romans 8:1-3. There is no impatience in Heaven, once revealed Heaven by God to each person personally, one then sees a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, patience becomes the new born again people. Amazing God loves us all y'all.
Why, then did Son go to that cross once? For all to turn to God willingly, in love as the response to this love of God for us all and is done for us all by Son. First the death willingly, to reconcile everyone as forgiven by God Father of Son the two married as Won (One) (2 Cor 5:17-20). Amazing gift this is, and I by free choice chose, and turned around and see, new, I now willingly love all, since by God I am loved first 1 John 4:18-19 and so is everyone else born of flesh and blood too 1 John 2:1-27, Hebrews 10:10
Thank you Lord Psalm 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26, I believe and see to not quit, Thank you while in adversities here on earth still

 

[homwardbound]

Can a person still get this?

For anyone interested, this is another Grace teacher.....

https://cgtruth.org/

Anyone can from God Father and risen Son, where new life resides to be freed from stress, while in stress
God teaches us each to be content in all things as God taught this to Paul and Paul saw to be content in all things, whether it was bad or good presently

1. Philippians 1:16
   the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Philippians 4:11
   Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

 

[homwardbound]

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4:35‬ ‭KJV‬

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The three I see as One. Like we have a body, a soul and a Spirit
Yet that Spirit of God left at the first Adam, when he ate in unbelief and now God has returned to us in the second Adam, Jesus Christ, a life-giving Spirit
Water, Ice and Steam are three forms of water, yet it is all water is it not?
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Oh, and the translation to me in John 3:12 I see, should have never been translated as "IF" since the Greek English is: it means If or since, I decided he told us
And God in Son did tell those there then, truth using physical analogies for Spiritual realities to see and be in as new, thank you by the risen Son to be given us new life, if not gotten given yet, time to stand in belief to see, no matter how long it might take to see, thanks

 

[homwardbound]

I had two of his books and the books contradicted each other, and as a newer believer I was left feeling very confused, I actually tossed those books out, because I sensed something off there.

Yeah, those "shivers" are not a good feeling.

Try "Classic Christianity", by Bob George, or "The Naked Gospel" by Andrew Farley
Oh and please take the time to read the entire Bible between God and you and see this Gigantic love letter to you too, thank you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The three I see as One. Like we have a body, a soul and a Spirit
Yet that Spirit of God left at the first Adam, when he ate in unbelief and now God has returned to us in the second Adam, Jesus Christ, a life-giving Spirit
Water, Ice and Steam are three forms of water, yet it is all water is it not?
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Oh, and the translation to me in John 3:12 I see, should have never been translated as "IF" since the Greek English is: it means If or since, I decided he told us
And God in Son did tell those there then, truth using physical analogies for Spiritual realities to see and be in as new, thank you by the risen Son to be given us new life, if not gotten given yet, time to stand in belief to see, no matter how long it might take to see, thanks

“The three I see as One. Like we have a body, a soul and a Spirit”

yeah I can understand that.

 

[Kroogz]

Anyone can from God Father and risen Son, where new life resides to be freed from stress, while in stress
God teaches us each to be content in all things as God taught this to Paul and Paul saw to be content in all things, whether it was bad or good presently

1. Philippians 1:16
   the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Philippians 4:11
   Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

I agree.

But we have to discern and be Bereans. God gave us gifted teachers to teach us.

I would have never seen the Gospel message in the geneology of Genesis 5 without a good teacher.

 

[HeIsHere]

Try "Classic Christianity", by Bob George, or "The Naked Gospel" by Andrew Farley
Oh and please take the time to read the entire Bible between God and you and see this Gigantic love letter to you too, thank you

Thank you so much for the recommendations.

I have have not read his books but Andrew Farley is the best, I have read/listened to some of his work online, he is one of the completely NON-Calvinist/Reformed amazing Grace teacher I know.

 

[DeepSeeker]

Let US CREATE man --- IN OUR Image -- After OUR likeness

Who is The US ? What Likeness ?
How then was man ?