Loss of salvation???

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sawdust

sawdust

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Mem said:
JS, Israelites aren't the only stubborn unbelieving peoples that God might think worth going to such lengths for. But with that said, I don't think speaking in another (understandable) language would seem as miraculous these days, given the accessibility of language learning tools that are so readily available today.
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I agree it's not only the Israelites but they are the only ones God said He would speak to in a foreign language which is why Paul quoted Isaiah in 1Cor.14

1Cor.14:20-22
20 Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking. Instead, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. 21 It is written in the law: “By people with strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, yet not even in this way will they listen to me,” says the Lord. 22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers.

No such "promise" given to Gentiles. Is.28:11

Of course there is also the problem that Paul said not all will be given the gift of tongues 1Cor.12:30 so no-one can insist all must speak in tongues.
 
Mem

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sawdust said:
I agree it's not only the Israelites but they are the only ones God said He would speak to in a foreign language which is why Paul quoted Isaiah in 1Cor.14

1Cor.14:20-22
20 Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking. Instead, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. 21 It is written in the law: “By people with strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, yet not even in this way will they listen to me,” says the Lord. 22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers.

No such "promise" given to Gentiles. Is.28:11

Of course there is also the problem that Paul said not all will be given the gift of tongues 1Cor.12:30 so no-one can insist all must speak in tongues.
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Likewise, I don't believe that anyone can insist that none can speak in tongues. But, of course, there's those that do.
 
sawdust

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Mem said:
Likewise, I don't believe that anyone can insist that none can speak in tongues. But, of course, there's those that do.
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Yes, but the difference is I can give scriptural reasons why the gift of tongues has ceased while the others ignore the other signs that accompanied tongues (ie. tongues of fire, prophesying) and pick out one thing to justify their claim that one is not baptized with the Spirit unless they speak in tongues.

One is free to believe as they will. :)
 
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