Rapture

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1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

The great tribulation which Christians will go through is not the wrath of God that Jesus will protect us from. The great tribulation is satan's wrath against God's people.

We're to learn to endure in Christ and not fall away when we go through the great tribulation which even Jesus said will be the worst of all time. We can make it through this only in Jesus!


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No english word is in the Greek manuscripts. The Greek word for rapture is Harpazo and it is used by Paul about the rapture.



Wrong. Margaret MacDonald's vision was post-trib in nature, not Pretrib.




That author intentionally removed two sentences from her vision because they were post-trib. He is a liar and a deceiver.




No, the first one taken is raptured. The timeframe of this taking is AFTER the timeframe of the AC etc. It is Christ who does the taking and the not taking.






All true but the timeframe of the one taken is after the trib has ended and it is Jesus doing the taking of people, otherwise known as the rapture. Look up the greek definition for the word translated as "taken". It matches the concept of a rapture by Jesus.

taken
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3880 paralambano {par-al-am-ban'-o}

from 3844 and 2983; TDNT - 4:11,495; v

AV - take 30, receive 15, take unto 2, take up 2, take away 1; 50

1) to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self
1a) an associate, a companion
1b) metaph.
1b1) to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
1b2) not to reject, not to withhold obedience
2) to receive something transmitted
2a) an office to be discharged
2b) to receive with the mind
2b1) by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the
tradition proceeds
2b2) by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers
(used of disciples)

"to take with one's self"
"to join to one's self"
"an associate"
"a companion"
"not to reject"

Luk 18:31 Then he took (paralambano) unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.


Same word and meaning here.


Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again (second coming reference), and receive you (paralambano) unto myself (rapture reference); that where I am, there ye may be also.



This is the rapture and guess what? The same exact word and meaning is here too. The one taken is a reference to the rapture.
All I can say brother is, have a nice flight.
 

ewq1938

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1 Thessalonians 1:10, which says, "and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. what do you make of this verse here? I see your point in what you posted and yes it would appear to be post trib but then why does this verse say this what is he saying here?

That speaks of the wrath of God. We are delivered from that but the trib is the wrath of satan and the church is not delivered from his wrath.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 

Blain

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That speaks of the wrath of God. We are delivered from that but the trib is the wrath of satan and the church is not delivered from his wrath.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
ok but it doesn't say that it just says how wrathful the devil is and the verse I posted says we will be delivered from it soo where does it say we will avoid God's wrath vs the devils? And your telling me I gave my life up just to be tormented and killed?
That doesn't sound right
 
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No, it's pure ignorance on your part. You don't understand a single thing about the passage.
Jesus: My coming will be as in the days of Noah. One will be taken and one will remain
Genesis 7:23: In Noah's day death took the wicked and only righteous Noah and his family remained
Me: Genesis 7:23 says the wicked were taken and the righteous remained
ewq1938: Pure ignorance
 

GaryA

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Matthew 24:

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

From these verses in this passage, we can determine:

1) It is talking to Christians about Christians.

2) It is talking about the Second Coming of Christ.

3) It is talking about the rapture.

4) It is Christians that are being 'taken' ("raptured") in verses 40-41.

With regard to the comparison being made, what verses 37-39 are saying does not include what verses 40-41 are saying.

The comparison is only about the 'unexpectedness' of the event. It is not an "in every detail" kind of comparison.

The comparison is "defined" by verses 38-39. You cannot "shove" verses 40-41 into it. That is not valid.

Verses 40-41 are not part of the comparison to the Noe/ark/flood referenced event.