1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Reign

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shroom2 said:
That's true. Mans final dwelling place will be a brand new heaven and earth. Rev 21:1ff. The millennial kingdom precedes it.


Why? If people are not believing (having faith) and determine not to go to Jerusalem as appointed, are they justified?


Yes. And we (Christians) and the OT believers will have our new spiritual bodies. We have done what is required for salvation. It's a done deal for us. But the ones who make it through the trib, who will multiply into a vast number, will still have to be justified by their faith.


Continuing to have faith in God and His Son.


Jesus Christ fulfilled the law. People will have to look to Christ for their salvation.


There is no third covenant. The covenants are for the nation of Israel. The millennial kingdom will be the second covenant. Jer 31:31ff. We are living in the administration (dispensation) of grace, God's secret that was not known about by anyone until it was revealed to Paul. Now, both Jew and gentile are to become saved by acting on Rom 10:9. This administration will end. God will once again be dealing with Jews and gentiles. Then comes the trib and armageddon, then the second covenant with Israel.

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not addin' up shroomdaddy.

but a good college try.
 
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shroom2 said:
Cape Cod Gray, or some such.... Looks good.


Old age. A couple posts later I listed the three groups of people who will be present. The ones who made it through the trib will still be mortal. They will be procreating and dying.


They will be dead, killed in the battle of Armageddon (so called..). Everyone left will know God.


Who gets a second chance?


Without.


And those who made it through the trib.


Two reasons. One is to fulfill the promises made to the nation of Israel. Abraham never got the land he was promised. There are more, I do not know them off the top of my head. The second reason may be to prove the depravity of man. Even after living in a perfect place, with perfect safety, a perfect king, perfect health, perfect justice, and plenty of food, when satan is released, he will somehow convince a huge multitude to gather for war against Jerusalem.


Some would, some would not.


Man is still man, with free will. ...and the bible says that -if- they don't come, no rain for them. It does not say some will not come.
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well.....it's quite a story.
but it aint in the Bible ya see.
that's the only problem.

here's what it ACTUALLY looks like:

FIRST ADVENT....a thousand years (this world)......satan's little season/SECOND ADVENT/judgment>>ETERNITY, New Jerusalem
 
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shroom2 said:
What's the question?
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no question..maybe just a comment the additional verses showed even more that Abraham
was a stranger on this earth

Seems to me Abe is waiting for a new heaven and a new earth.
Peter tells us also to look for the same...no 1000 thing on this earth
is mentioned. Strange dont ya think
 
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zone said:
i'll have to say AMEN, mikey.


but you might get a bad reputation gettin rep from a gal like me (promoter of sin and soul power familiar spirits or summink?)

*disclaimer: me agreeing with abiding in no way yokes him to me or my beliefs. he doesn't agree with me on lots of stuff....like what color that sign oughta be.
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Ya ok on the disclaimer and stuff..could you come again and show me that spot you wanted the curtain rod.
 
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Ya ok on the disclaimer and stuff..could you come again and show me that spot you wanted the curtain rod.
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right about here.....
 
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zone said:
..FIRST ADVENT....a thousand years (this world)......satan's little season/SECOND ADVENT/judgment>>ETERNITY, New Jerusalem
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That is the classic amillennialist view. I do not believe that is what the bible teaches.

We'll find out soon enough.
 
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shroom2 said:
That is the classic amillennialist view. I do not believe that is what the bible teaches.

We'll find out soon enough.
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indeed we will shroom.
satan's little season comin'.
strong delusion.
its why we have to be rooted in good doctrine and making sure we are building on the right foundation.

i got a glacier place with xtra room (in case you get left behind...which you will...nobody going no place. we got a job to do here, that's why).

love zone.
nite.
 
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zone said:
indeed we will shroom.
satan's little season comin'.
strong delusion.
its why we have to be rooted in good doctrine and making sure we are building on the right foundation.

i got a glacier place with xtra room (in case you get left behind...which you will...nobody going no place. we got a job to do here, that's why).

love zone.
nite.
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I'm goin'. (you are too)

'nite.
 
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To all you 'amillennialist' I would ask you to explained the following passage, especially the meaning of the question that was asked by the disciples of Jesus Christ who was in His resurrected body...

Acts 1:1-9 1 The former treatise have I made , O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach , 2 Until the day in which he was taken up , after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen : 3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together , they asked of him, saying , Lord , wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld , he was taken up ; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

What were the disciples referring to? This was the last question and answer that they were able to ask of Him before He was taken up and by the answer that the risen Lord gave to them, it does not look like He had restored the kingdom to Israel but referred it to the Father. Was the kingdom rent from Israel with the promise of it being restored? When the disciples understood that the kingdom was going to be restored to Israel, was it false doctrine or a wrong understanding on their part? Did the resurrected Christ, who had power over the grave, correct their error or did He also understand that the kingdom would be restored to Israel on the Father's time table?

OR - Do you believe that this is spiritual Israel being referred to and the kingdom has already been restored to and through the church? If that is true, then show who restored it and when that restoration of the kingdom took place using the testimony and evidence of the New Testament scriptures under the new covenant. Show also how that kingdom was restored through the church (if that is what you believe) and the preaching of the kingdom of God and I am not talking about salvation or redemption but rather restoration of the kingdom that Israel once had? What was the former glory of the kingdom that would be restored to Israel?
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Yes it was wrong understanding, and Christ corrected them in the next few verses. He said power will come from the Holy Spirit and it wasnt about just the land they were at but about the UTTERMOST parts of the Earth.
 
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Abiding said:
no question..maybe just a comment the additional verses showed even more that Abraham
was a stranger on this earth

Seems to me Abe is waiting for a new heaven and a new earth.
Peter tells us also to look for the same...no 1000 thing on this earth
is mentioned. Strange dont ya think
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I do......
 
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Strangelove said:
Red...do you subscribe to dual covenant theology?
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I don't Doc. Jew and gentile alike. God is no respecter of persons. No man comes to the Father but by Him (Christ).
 
Strangelove

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No I am not going to dual with a man that covets his theology.lol
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Is this the kind of immature way you handle important religious questions?

Do you want me to reword the question? Or will it be another (unfunny) joke?

Are you scared to answer?
 
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Strangelove said:
Is this the kind of immature way you handle important religious questions?

Do you want me to reword the question? Or will it be another (unfunny) joke?

Are you scared to answer?
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You seem to have some fun at the expense and reprisal of others, allow me the same pleasure at your expense. Take it as a spiritual man and don't let it offend you.
 
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You seem to have some fun at the expense and reprisal of others, allow me the same pleasure at your expense. Take it as a spiritual man and don't let it offend you.
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Ok it was highly amusing...very uhm.....fun.

Now can you answer the question plz?
 
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Ok it was highly amusing...very uhm.....fun.

Now can you answer the question plz?
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I'm with ya on this one Doc. but why preach it if you can't bring forth a date to substantiate your claims as to when this will all start.

I mean a date in the gregorian calendar not a prophetic one
 
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Muskokaman said:
I'm with ya on this one Doc. but why preach it if you can't bring forth a date to substantiate your claims as to when this will all start.

I mean a date in the gregorian calendar not a prophetic one
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A date for what man?

What do you want from me?
 
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Strangelove said:
A date for what man?

What do you want from me?
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The tribulation thats what when will it start?

Or is your preoccupation with this subject solely for the purposes of enlightening those who are not aware of it?
 
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