A New-Old Denomination?

[Josepus86]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold.
I am planning to get multiple ordinations and form a cross-denominational congregation.
It is based roughly on the model of the United States, in that there are layers to government and traditions.

One Corporate entity with lesser congregational entities.

Sunday mornings would look something like this:
Sects meet for early worship in individual rooms.
Tradtions, hold Sunday school
And the second worship before lunch is held all together.

I know I will separate each faction by polity and tradition, meaning that the southern Baptists and reformed Baptists each get an early service and such, but then all Reformed converge into their own Sunday schools by age and type.

The idea only works in a mega church building, but I figure, go big or go home.

The question I have is about traditions, for instance, Reformed Tradition: Reformed Congregational (Like Reformed Baptist), Reformed Presbyterians (all presbys), Reformed Episcopal (REC), and independent Reformed (Non-Denom)

The question is this: What should the Traditions be?
Reformed is one, Restorationist (Plymouth Brethren, Apostolic, etc), Charismatic, Etc?
Can I conflate similar ones like Lutheran and methodist?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold...What should the traditions be?...

Precious friend, that sounds like Quite a HIGH calling - for example, for about a hundred
years now there has been a Controversy going on "calling for the Unity of the saints", but
due to the Very WIDE division in The Body Of Christ, especially over the # 1 Divider of
water baptism ( found at least FOURTEEN Different 'traditions' of it ), it doesn't seem to
me (anyway) that the Confusion is going to end until God's Great GRACE Departure!

All we Bereans who have prayerfully and Carefully studied God's ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism,
under His Grace today, have prayed and asked for is a "fair hearing" ( instead of name-calling
and attacks of critics ) of This Important Doctrine, and answer only one question:

Does not God's Sound Doctrine Obliterate all of Satan's horrible confusion of water ( not for
today ), and thus bring us Much Closer to obeying God In His Commands? Such As:

"God is faithful, by Whom ye were called unto The Fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ​

our Lord. Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye​

all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be​

perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."​

(1 Corinthians 1:9-10 AV)​

+

"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the​

vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with​

longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the​

Unity of The Spirit in the Bond of Peace. There is one body, and one Spirit,​

even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith,​

​

ONE Baptism,​

​

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"​

(Ephesians 4:1-6)​

​

Precious friend, I will be praying for you, as it seems there will be MUCH to overcome in your HIGH calling, eh?

Amen.

PS
Will such a "fair hearing" Bible study about this Unity / division be done in your mega church?

In accordance with God's Command?:

 

[Howdy]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold.
I am planning to get multiple ordinations and form a cross-denominational congregation.
It is based roughly on the model of the United States, in that there are layers to government and traditions.

One Corporate entity with lesser congregational entities.

Sunday mornings would look something like this:
Sects meet for early worship in individual rooms.
Tradtions, hold Sunday school
And the second worship before lunch is held all together.

I know I will separate each faction by polity and tradition, meaning that the southern Baptists and reformed Baptists each get an early service and such, but then all Reformed converge into their own Sunday schools by age and type.

The idea only works in a mega church building, but I figure, go big or go home.

The question I have is about traditions, for instance, Reformed Tradition: Reformed Congregational (Like Reformed Baptist), Reformed Presbyterians (all presbys), Reformed Episcopal (REC), and independent Reformed (Non-Denom)

The question is this: What should the Traditions be?
Reformed is one, Restorationist (Plymouth Brethren, Apostolic, etc), Charismatic, Etc?
Can I conflate similar ones like Lutheran and methodist?

Who called you? It certainly was not God.
What you are proposing is not according to Scripture.
I would recommend everyone avoid joining you in this effort.

 

[NightTwister]

Presbyterians accept baptisms from Baptist churches, but not vice versa. I didn't see how you'd ever get past that.

 

[WiselyWoven]

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So, I feel I have been called...

Full stop.

The believer is not to be led about by his feelings, but takes every thought captive to Christ.

Either you have been called by God, or you have not been called by God. Which is it?
.

 

[Seeker47]

My friend, there has never been "one fold" for the church to go back to. That comes only at the end. What are you really trying to do?

Someone will attempt a universal church just before the end times, but Christ will not be it's master. It too will fail.

 

[GaryA]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold.
I am planning to get multiple ordinations and form a cross-denominational congregation.
It is based roughly on the model of the United States, in that there are layers to government and traditions.

One Corporate entity with lesser congregational entities.

Sunday mornings would look something like this:
Sects meet for early worship in individual rooms.
Tradtions, hold Sunday school
And the second worship before lunch is held all together.

I know I will separate each faction by polity and tradition, meaning that the southern Baptists and reformed Baptists each get an early service and such, but then all Reformed converge into their own Sunday schools by age and type.

The idea only works in a mega church building, but I figure, go big or go home.

The question I have is about traditions, for instance, Reformed Tradition: Reformed Congregational (Like Reformed Baptist), Reformed Presbyterians (all presbys), Reformed Episcopal (REC), and independent Reformed (Non-Denom)

The question is this: What should the Traditions be?
Reformed is one, Restorationist (Plymouth Brethren, Apostolic, etc), Charismatic, Etc?
Can I conflate similar ones like Lutheran and methodist?

The RCC is already working on a version of this - have you heard of the 'Ecumenical Movement'?

They, of course, want to be the 'Corporate entity' you referred to.

You may have good intentions; however, you are in error from a biblical standpoint.

Every individual local NT church is sovereign and not to be under any authority but Christ.

The idea of having a 'Corporate entity' church authority is not biblical.

 

[Blain]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold.
I am planning to get multiple ordinations and form a cross-denominational congregation.
It is based roughly on the model of the United States, in that there are layers to government and traditions.

One Corporate entity with lesser congregational entities.

Sunday mornings would look something like this:
Sects meet for early worship in individual rooms.
Tradtions, hold Sunday school
And the second worship before lunch is held all together.

I know I will separate each faction by polity and tradition, meaning that the southern Baptists and reformed Baptists each get an early service and such, but then all Reformed converge into their own Sunday schools by age and type.

The idea only works in a mega church building, but I figure, go big or go home.

The question I have is about traditions, for instance, Reformed Tradition: Reformed Congregational (Like Reformed Baptist), Reformed Presbyterians (all presbys), Reformed Episcopal (REC), and independent Reformed (Non-Denom)

The question is this: What should the Traditions be?
Reformed is one, Restorationist (Plymouth Brethren, Apostolic, etc), Charismatic, Etc?
Can I conflate similar ones like Lutheran and methodist?

No no no no no. Listen my friend I am sure your intentions are pure but you have not been called to do this because there is only one who can and will and that is Jesus Christ himself

 

[Blain]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold.
I am planning to get multiple ordinations and form a cross-denominational congregation.
It is based roughly on the model of the United States, in that there are layers to government and traditions.

One Corporate entity with lesser congregational entities.

Sunday mornings would look something like this:
Sects meet for early worship in individual rooms.
Tradtions, hold Sunday school
And the second worship before lunch is held all together.

I know I will separate each faction by polity and tradition, meaning that the southern Baptists and reformed Baptists each get an early service and such, but then all Reformed converge into their own Sunday schools by age and type.

The idea only works in a mega church building, but I figure, go big or go home.

The question I have is about traditions, for instance, Reformed Tradition: Reformed Congregational (Like Reformed Baptist), Reformed Presbyterians (all presbys), Reformed Episcopal (REC), and independent Reformed (Non-Denom)

The question is this: What should the Traditions be?
Reformed is one, Restorationist (Plymouth Brethren, Apostolic, etc), Charismatic, Etc?
Can I conflate similar ones like Lutheran and methodist?

No no no no no. Listen my friend I am sure your intentions are pure but you have not been called to do this because there is only one who can and will and that is Jesus Christ himself

 

[Josepus86]

Who called you? It certainly was not God.
What you are proposing is not according to Scripture.
I would recommend everyone avoid joining you in this effort.

How do you know I haven’t been called by God to do this? What is your metric?
And what exactly are you objecting to?
Where does it contradict scripture?
And where in scripture does it affirm the status quo of thousands of warring denominations?
I was not asking anyone to join me, but rather their opinion on traditions within Christianity.

 

[Josepus86]

No no no no no. Listen my friend I am sure your intentions are pure but you have not been called to do this because there is only one who can and will and that is Jesus Christ himself

As I asked @Howdy, how do you know I haven’t been called to do this?
I do not know if my intentions are pure, but they are irrelevant, if not at most secondary to my calling.
I wonder, given both yours and @Howdy’s reaction, if you both are thinking that I will create some great movement and place myself as the new pope and be the substitute for Christ on earth, and I would like to assure you I do not plan that at all, but rather the opposite. I plan my own obsolescence.

 

[Josepus86]

The RCC is already working on a version of this - have you heard of the 'Ecumenical Movement'?

They, of course, want to be the 'Corporate entity' you referred to.

You may have good intentions; however, you are in error from a biblical standpoint.

Every individual local NT church is sovereign and not to be under any authority but Christ.

The idea of having a 'Corporate entity' church authority is not biblical.

Is the PCA a biblical church? They have a corporate and congregation government? I was not planning on incorporating RCC into the mix, but if they abandon their apostate ways then sure.

 

[Josepus86]

Precious friend, that sounds like Quite a HIGH calling - for example, for about a hundred
years now there has been a Controversy going on "calling for the Unity of the saints", but
due to the Very WIDE division in The Body Of Christ, especially over the # 1 Divider of
water baptism ( found at least FOURTEEN Different 'traditions' of it ), it doesn't seem to
me (anyway) that the Confusion is going to end until God's Great GRACE Departure!

All we Bereans who have prayerfully and Carefully studied God's ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism,
under His Grace today, have prayed and asked for is a "fair hearing" ( instead of name-calling
and attacks of critics ) of This Important Doctrine, and answer only one question:

Does not God's Sound Doctrine Obliterate all of Satan's horrible confusion of water ( not for
today ), and thus bring us Much Closer to obeying God In His Commands? Such As:

"God is faithful, by Whom ye were called unto The Fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ​

our Lord. Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye​

all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be​

perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."​

(1 Corinthians 1:9-10 AV)​

+

"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the​

vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with​

longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the​

Unity of The Spirit in the Bond of Peace. There is one body, and one Spirit,​

even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith,​

​

ONE Baptism,​

​

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"​

(Ephesians 4:1-6)​

​

Precious friend, I will be praying for you, as it seems there will be MUCH to overcome in your HIGH calling, eh?

Amen.

PS
Will such a "fair hearing" Bible study about this Unity / division be done in your mega church?

In accordance with God's Command?:

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Thank you for your prayers, all conversation is generally welcome.

 

[Blain]

As I asked @Howdy, how do you know I haven’t been called to do this?
I do not know if my intentions are pure, but they are irrelevant, if not at most secondary to my calling.
I wonder, given both yours and @Howdy’s reaction, if you both are thinking that I will create some great movement and place myself as the new pope and be the substitute for Christ on earth, and I would like to assure you I do not plan that at all, but rather the opposite. I plan my own obsolescence.

Because there is only one who can do what your wanting to do and that is Jesus Christ and he will do so when he returns, I am not saying you will create some great new movement or place yourself as the pope or anything but what your wanting to do here is impossible because it is not our job to do so it is Christs

We can unify and encourage build up and strengthen the church yes but only Christ can do so on a grand scale. But let's say you have been called to do so, why not do it here in cc? Lord knows there is a great division among us and unifying where you are at seems to be a good place to start

 

[Josepus86]

Presbyterians accept baptisms from Baptist churches, but not vice versa. I didn't see how you'd ever get past that.

To transfer from the Presbyterian to the Baptist sect one must be rebaptized by immersion, but not vice Versa. Yes
My goal is to get everyone in one location, not to make every uniform. Sorry I guess I should have clarified what I meant as one fold.

 

[Josepus86]

Because there is only one who can do what your wanting to do and that is Jesus Christ and he will do so when he returns, I am not saying you will create some great new movement or place yourself as the pope or anything but what your wanting to do here is impossible because it is not our job to do so it is Christs

We can unify and encourage build up and strengthen the church yes but only Christ can do so on a grand scale. But let's say you have been called to do so, why not do it here in cc? Lord knows there is a great division among us and unifying where you are at seems to be a good place to start

Sorry for putting words in your mouths. And I hear you and appreciate what you are saying, but I am going to ignore your advice.
On the greater scale of things I will not be successful, it will be all for not. Couldn’t your argument be used also against the great commission, ultimately it is the work of the Holy Spirit that directs humanity back to God in Christ. Why not leave it up to him?

 

[Josepus86]

.

Full stop.

The believer is not to be led about by his feelings, but takes every thought captive to Christ.

Either you have been called by God, or you have not been called by God. Which is it?
.

I like the cut of your jib. I have been called by God, but mostly just to spread seed, another will water, and yet another will reap. I will be dead by that time though. This is why I am convinced, I will not partake of the golden age on earth.

 

[Josepus86]

In the hierarchy of this cross-congressional movement, which I have dubbed, “the Protestant synagogue.” The highest earthly office of President is limited to one three year term, following Christ’s ministry on earth. Just as the potus is termed out after eight years following George Washington’s example.

Pretty much every position will have term limits and term placements to keep the movement in flux.

 

[Josepus86]

My friend, there has never been "one fold" for the church to go back to. That comes only at the end. What are you really trying to do?

Someone will attempt a universal church just before the end times, but Christ will not be it's master. It too will fail.

Valid point, but that is like Jonah abandoning his call to Nineveh because it would eventually be destroyed, but he was the means by which God communicated repentance and salvation to that generation.

My vision is actually to form synagogue like structures that will be hubs for the Protestant activities and will be closed on sundays.

 

[Lynx]

So, I feel I have been called to consolidate the fraying church back into one fold.
I am planning to get multiple ordinations and form a cross-denominational congregation.
It is based roughly on the model of the United States, in that there are layers to government and traditions.

One Corporate entity with lesser congregational entities.

Sunday mornings would look something like this:
Sects meet for early worship in individual rooms.
Tradtions, hold Sunday school
And the second worship before lunch is held all together.

I know I will separate each faction by polity and tradition, meaning that the southern Baptists and reformed Baptists each get an early service and such, but then all Reformed converge into their own Sunday schools by age and type.

The idea only works in a mega church building, but I figure, go big or go home.

The question I have is about traditions, for instance, Reformed Tradition: Reformed Congregational (Like Reformed Baptist), Reformed Presbyterians (all presbys), Reformed Episcopal (REC), and independent Reformed (Non-Denom)

The question is this: What should the Traditions be?
Reformed is one, Restorationist (Plymouth Brethren, Apostolic, etc), Charismatic, Etc?
Can I conflate similar ones like Lutheran and methodist?

The Catholics tried this back in 325AD or so. I hear they're trying to do it again.

Given what they had to compromise to get a big unified church, I can't say it seems like a good idea. They turned into something they never should have been.

If you try to be the Walmart of churches, you will wind up with a Walmart quality of church service.