Another View Of Jesus Christ?

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Jesus is sometimes portrayed as a destitute wanderer or even homeless person, who had nothing and no place to call home? But do the scriptures support this depiction?

The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham….. - Matthew 1:1-16

Within the bloodline or genealogy of Jesus, were more than a dozen kings and other prominent Biblical figures. So, as a descendant of greatness and wealth, was Jesus really a nobody with nothing , in the material sense?
And among the ancestors of Jesus, were Abraham ( Genesis 13:2 ) and King Solomon ( 2 Chronicles 9:13 ), who were extremely rich, which raises the question, as to whether, some of the wealth was passed down or trickled down to Jesus, from the many kings and other well-to-do people in His bloodline? Could Jesus have been less well-off, given the wealth and greatness of His descendants?

An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take you, Mary your wife..”. - Matthew 1:20

Why did the angel address Joseph, the earthly father of Jesus by connecting him to the great king David? Why did the angel, find it necessary to remind Joseph of his royal bloodline?

And She brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn - Luke 2:7

Was Jesus born in a manger because His parents were poor or was it because there was no room at the inn or hotel? And if the parents of Jesus had the resources to stay at the inn or hotel, what does that say about their economic status? Did everyone have the resources to stay at the inn or hotel, in those days?
Even in our time, does everyone have the means to stay in a hotel, motel or inn?

And after entering the house, they saw the child with Mary His mother…… opening their treasure chests, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh - Matthew 2:11

What did the parents of Jesus do with these gifts of high value? Did they just keep the gifts or did they convert them into money and invested into something profitable? And how many people, in those days were fortunate enough to have high value products like gold? Did the parents of Jesus use the high value items for themselves or did they save them for their Son Jesus, to use when He grew up?

Foxes have holes and birds have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay His head - Matthew 8:20

Was Jesus really, saying that He did not have a home or was He saying that He was always traveling and never in one place permanently, like foxes go back to their holes and birds go back to their nests everyday?

But He was in the stern, asleep on a pillow - Mark 4:38

If Jesus was asleep in a boat, with His head resting on a pillow, did He really have nowhere to lay His head? How many destitute people can be comfortably asleep in a boat, while other people operate the boat? Is this a picture of poverty or of someone with no resources? Did Jesus own or rent the boat?

And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled, which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarene’ - Matthew 2:23

If Joseph, Mary and young Jesus lived in Nazareth, did they have a house there or did they just hang out in the streets? And if the prophets foretold, that Jesus would be a Nazarene or a resident of Nazareth, we’re they talking about someone, who would not have a home in Nazareth?
Also, when the wisemen visited Jesus in a house, whose house was that?

So when they had performed all things, according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth - Luke 2:39

Did Jesus and His parents return to their own city, Nazareth, but did not have a house there?

On the third day, there was a wedding, in Cana of Galilee…… both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding…. - John 2:1-2

Is it common for people with little or nothing to give, being invited to a wedding? And do destitute people normally dress up and attend social events, like weddings?

He chose twelve, whom He also named apostles - Luke 6:13

How did Jesus convince twelve men, to abandon their businesses and professions, plus long absences from their families, to join His traveling ministry, if He had no resources to make up for their sacrifice?

Jesus saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, “Follow me” - Luke 5:27

And how did the tax collector give up his profession, without a similar or better offer from Jesus? Do people usually give up the source of their livelihood, without anything in return?

He saw James and John his brother… mending their nets…. He called to them…. they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired servants and went after Him - Mark 1:19-20

How many poor people have hired servants or employees? And how could anyone with little or nothing, attract businessmen to leave their business and join him?
These men weren’t just fishing for pleasure, they were professional fishermen, running a business with hired help or employees.

Luke the beloved physician and Demas greet you… - Colossians 4:14

And once again, how did Jesus convince Luke, a medical doctor by profession to abandon his practice and follow Him? How many regular people are able to influence professionals and business people, to leave their careers and join the poor?
Why did Jesus seek professionals and business people, when He could get regular people much easier?

He was in the boat. There were also other boats with Him - Mark 4:36

Do regular people travel in a boat , accompanied or escorted by other boats?

But one of His disciples, Judas said, “why was this fragrance oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor - John 12:1-5

Why would Judas talk about giving to the poor, if Jesus and His disciples were poor themselves?

… he was a thief and had the money box, and he used to take what was put in it - John 12:6

If Jesus had very little financially, why did He need Judas to watch over or handle His finances? And if Jesus didn’t have much financially, why was Judas confident that he could steal some and not be detected?

When they had crucified Him, they divided His clothes by casting lots - Matthew 27:35

Why did the Roman soldiers want His clothes, after crucifying Jesus, if the clothes were ordinary or of low value? Do people usually cast lots, when regular people die, to see who will get their clothes or garments?
 
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#2
Jesus is sometimes portrayed as a destitute wanderer or even homeless person, who had nothing and no place to call home? But do the scriptures support this depiction?

The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham….. - Matthew 1:1-16

Within the bloodline or genealogy of Jesus, were more than a dozen kings and other prominent Biblical figures. So, as a descendant of greatness and wealth, was Jesus really a nobody with nothing , in the material sense?
And among the ancestors of Jesus, were Abraham ( Genesis 13:2 ) and King Solomon ( 2 Chronicles 9:13 ), who were extremely rich, which raises the question, as to whether, some of the wealth was passed down or trickled down to Jesus, from the many kings and other well-to-do people in His bloodline? Could Jesus have been less well-off, given the wealth and greatness of His descendants?

An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take you, Mary your wife..”. - Matthew 1:20

Why did the angel address Joseph, the earthly father of Jesus by connecting him to the great king David? Why did the angel, find it necessary to remind Joseph of his royal bloodline?

And She brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn - Luke 2:7

Was Jesus born in a manger because His parents were poor or was it because there was no room at the inn or hotel? And if the parents of Jesus had the resources to stay at the inn or hotel, what does that say about their economic status? Did everyone have the resources to stay at the inn or hotel, in those days?
Even in our time, does everyone have the means to stay in a hotel, motel or inn?

And after entering the house, they saw the child with Mary His mother…… opening their treasure chests, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh - Matthew 2:11

What did the parents of Jesus do with these gifts of high value? Did they just keep the gifts or did they convert them into money and invested into something profitable? And how many people, in those days were fortunate enough to have high value products like gold? Did the parents of Jesus use the high value items for themselves or did they save them for their Son Jesus, to use when He grew up?

Foxes have holes and birds have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay His head - Matthew 8:20

Was Jesus really, saying that He did not have a home or was He saying that He was always traveling and never in one place permanently, like foxes go back to their holes and birds go back to their nests everyday?

But He was in the stern, asleep on a pillow - Mark 4:38

If Jesus was asleep in a boat, with His head resting on a pillow, did He really have nowhere to lay His head? How many destitute people can be comfortably asleep in a boat, while other people operate the boat? Is this a picture of poverty or of someone with no resources? Did Jesus own or rent the boat?

And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled, which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarene’ - Matthew 2:23

If Joseph, Mary and young Jesus lived in Nazareth, did they have a house there or did they just hang out in the streets? And if the prophets foretold, that Jesus would be a Nazarene or a resident of Nazareth, we’re they talking about someone, who would not have a home in Nazareth?
Also, when the wisemen visited Jesus in a house, whose house was that?

So when they had performed all things, according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth - Luke 2:39

Did Jesus and His parents return to their own city, Nazareth, but did not have a house there?

On the third day, there was a wedding, in Cana of Galilee…… both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding…. - John 2:1-2

Is it common for people with little or nothing to give, being invited to a wedding? And do destitute people normally dress up and attend social events, like weddings?

He chose twelve, whom He also named apostles - Luke 6:13

How did Jesus convince twelve men, to abandon their businesses and professions, plus long absences from their families, to join His traveling ministry, if He had no resources to make up for their sacrifice?

Jesus saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, “Follow me” - Luke 5:27

And how did the tax collector give up his profession, without a similar or better offer from Jesus? Do people usually give up the source of their livelihood, without anything in return?

He saw James and John his brother… mending their nets…. He called to them…. they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired servants and went after Him - Mark 1:19-20

How many poor people have hired servants or employees? And how could anyone with little or nothing, attract businessmen to leave their business and join him?
These men weren’t just fishing for pleasure, they were professional fishermen, running a business with hired help or employees.

Luke the beloved physician and Demas greet you… - Colossians 4:14

And once again, how did Jesus convince Luke, a medical doctor by profession to abandon his practice and follow Him? How many regular people are able to influence professionals and business people, to leave their careers and join the poor?
Why did Jesus seek professionals and business people, when He could get regular people much easier?

He was in the boat. There were also other boats with Him - Mark 4:36

Do regular people travel in a boat , accompanied or escorted by other boats?

But one of His disciples, Judas said, “why was this fragrance oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor - John 12:1-5

Why would Judas talk about giving to the poor, if Jesus and His disciples were poor themselves?

… he was a thief and had the money box, and he used to take what was put in it - John 12:6

If Jesus had very little financially, why did He need Judas to watch over or handle His finances? And if Jesus didn’t have much financially, why was Judas confident that he could steal some and not be detected?

When they had crucified Him, they divided His clothes by casting lots - Matthew 27:35

Why did the Roman soldiers want His clothes, after crucifying Jesus, if the clothes were ordinary or of low value? Do people usually cast lots, when regular people die, to see who will get their clothes or garments?
I have only
one view of King Jesus.
He tells me what to do
And I do it.

All else
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Luke 9:58 / Matthew 8:20, plus 2 Corinthians 8:9 “Foxes have dens and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.
 
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What did the parents of Jesus do with these gifts of high value? Did they just keep the gifts or did they convert them into money and invested into something profitable? And how many people, in those days were fortunate enough to have high value products like gold? Did the parents of Jesus use the high value items for themselves or did they save them for their Son Jesus, to use when He grew up?
They most likely used them to live on when they were in Egypt
 
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Luke 9:58 / Matthew 8:20, plus 2 Corinthians 8:9 “Foxes have dens and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.

Luke 9:58 / Matthew 8:20, plus 2 Corinthians 8:9 “Foxes have dens and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.
It would be very helpful, if you read my whol

Luke 9:58 / Matthew 8:20, plus 2 Corinthians 8:9 “Foxes have dens and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.
It is very easy to quote scripture and try to make it mean whatever you wish, but context also matters in understanding scripture.

For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake, He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich - 2 Corinthians 8:9

Jesus came from heaven, which is extremely rich, where the streets are paved with pure gold. The earth with all it’s wealth is still poverty compared to heaven. And Jesus came on a mission to sacrifice Himself for mankind.
Jesus left a better place in heaven and came to a bad place, on earth, for the sake of humanity.
Life on earth is poverty, no matter how much you have, when you compare it to the abundant riches in heaven.
 
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It would be very helpful, if you read my whol
Eh? Something seems to be missing from your post. Let me guess. You have assumed I did not read your whole post? Well, guess again.

It is very easy to quote scripture and try to make it mean whatever you wish, but context also matters in understanding scripture.
You don't say! Perhaps you should follow that maxim a little better. Because I will let you in on
something: people do not really appreciate being told Scripture does not really mean what it says.
And your whole OP is all about that.
 
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PS~ are you aware of the fact that some of Jesus' disciples were fishermen?
Do you know what fishermen use for work? Do I need to give you a clue?
They are made of wood and float on water...
 

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The idea of a poverty stricken Jesus comes from the early days of the life of Jesus. The offering His parents made at the temple was something that the poor would do. We know very little of His life before He went public with His ministry. Jesus was not just a woodworker. Carpenters in those days were builders who worked with stone as well.

Jesus owned His home. Did He sell it to fund the work? Perhaps. He was traveling a lot, so maybe He did not need a home. He had sandals. Poor people went barefoot. I don't think we should read too much into this. The "prosperity" gospel pushes this point of view. It ignores the warnings about the deceitfulness of riches, and

"Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction." 1 Timothy 6:9.
 
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The idea of a poverty stricken Jesus comes from the early days of the life of Jesus. The offering His parents made at the temple was something that the poor would do. We know very little of His life before He went public with His ministry. Jesus was not just a woodworker. Carpenters in those days were builders who worked with stone as well.

Jesus owned His home. Did He sell it to fund the work? Perhaps. He was traveling a lot, so maybe He did not need a home. He had sandals. Poor people went barefoot. I don't think we should read too much into this. The "prosperity" gospel pushes this point of view. It ignores the warnings about the deceitfulness of riches, and

"Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction." 1 Timothy 6:9.
I agree with most of your post, but I am wondering where we read in the bible that Jesus owned His home.
 

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I agree with most of your post, but I am wondering where we read in the bible that Jesus owned His home.
Mark 2:15 "And it happened that he was reclining in his house, and many tax collectors and sinners were reclining with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many who were following him." Many translations assume it was the house of Levi. Since Jesus was a builder by trade, and we know that Joseph had a home (Matthew 2:11), Jesus would have inherited the home when Joseph died. By implication, it seems that Jesus either sold the house or gave it to the family. Exactly when is not stated.

The idea of poverty being a good thing is as bad as the pursuit of riches. The early church sold what they had in excess to help the poor among them. If everyone sells everything they own and end up poor themselves, no one has enough for their own needs or for others. We should be neither hoarders or careless stewards of God's gifts. It's not easy. We err on the side of generosity, even though it has not always worked out as we hoped.
 
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Mark 2:15 "And it happened that he was reclining in his house, and many tax collectors and sinners were reclining with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many who were following him." Many translations assume it was the house of Levi. Since Jesus was a builder by trade, and we know that Joseph had a home (Matthew 2:11), Jesus would have inherited the home when Joseph died. By implication, it seems that Jesus either sold the house or gave it to the family. Exactly when is not stated.

The idea of poverty being a good thing is as bad as the pursuit of riches. The early church sold what they had in excess to help the poor among them. If everyone sells everything they own and end up poor themselves, no one has enough for their own needs or for others. We should be neither hoarders or careless stewards of God's gifts. It's not easy. We err on the side of generosity, even though it has not always worked out as we hoped.
Yes, I looked up Mark 2:15, and discovered that "Levi's" is in italics. So we are not really told whose house it was. But (and again, I may be wrong) we are not told when Joseph died, nor are we told that Joseph was an "owner-occupier", as we would call it today. We do know that Joseph lived in Nazareth, so the house, whether or not he owned it would have been there. Nazareth is not on the coast, but Mark 2 says:

“13 ¶ Then He went out again by the sea; and all the multitude came to Him, and He taught them. 14 As He passed by, He saw Levi the son]of Alphaeus sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, “Follow Me.” So he arose and followed Him.” (Mr 2:13-14 NKJV)

So that would seem to suggest that the house, who ever it belonged to, was not what had once been Joseph's house in Nazareth.

I agree that it's is not a case of riches are bad, poverty is good. Thanks for your posts - they make me think!
 
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Was Jesus born in a manger because His parents were poor or was it because there was no room at the inn or hotel?
The parents of Jesus obviously had the financial means to pay for a room at the inn or otherwise why was it mentioned that there was no room at the inn.

There are no scriptures that support the idea that Jesus was poor or destitute. Jesus is the owner of everything in the universe. The wealth of Jesus is infinite. While he was on earth, he chose to live below his means to suit his own ultimate purpose.
 
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#14
Jesus is sometimes portrayed as a destitute wanderer or even homeless person, who had nothing and no place to call home? But do the scriptures support this depiction?

The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham….. - Matthew 1:1-16

Within the bloodline or genealogy of Jesus, were more than a dozen kings and other prominent Biblical figures. So, as a descendant of greatness and wealth, was Jesus really a nobody with nothing , in the material sense?
And among the ancestors of Jesus, were Abraham ( Genesis 13:2 ) and King Solomon ( 2 Chronicles 9:13 ), who were extremely rich, which raises the question, as to whether, some of the wealth was passed down or trickled down to Jesus, from the many kings and other well-to-do people in His bloodline? Could Jesus have been less well-off, given the wealth and greatness of His descendants?

An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take you, Mary your wife..”. - Matthew 1:20

Why did the angel address Joseph, the earthly father of Jesus by connecting him to the great king David? Why did the angel, find it necessary to remind Joseph of his royal bloodline?

And She brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn - Luke 2:7

Was Jesus born in a manger because His parents were poor or was it because there was no room at the inn or hotel? And if the parents of Jesus had the resources to stay at the inn or hotel, what does that say about their economic status? Did everyone have the resources to stay at the inn or hotel, in those days?
Even in our time, does everyone have the means to stay in a hotel, motel or inn?

And after entering the house, they saw the child with Mary His mother…… opening their treasure chests, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh - Matthew 2:11

What did the parents of Jesus do with these gifts of high value? Did they just keep the gifts or did they convert them into money and invested into something profitable? And how many people, in those days were fortunate enough to have high value products like gold? Did the parents of Jesus use the high value items for themselves or did they save them for their Son Jesus, to use when He grew up?

Foxes have holes and birds have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay His head - Matthew 8:20

Was Jesus really, saying that He did not have a home or was He saying that He was always traveling and never in one place permanently, like foxes go back to their holes and birds go back to their nests everyday?

But He was in the stern, asleep on a pillow - Mark 4:38

If Jesus was asleep in a boat, with His head resting on a pillow, did He really have nowhere to lay His head? How many destitute people can be comfortably asleep in a boat, while other people operate the boat? Is this a picture of poverty or of someone with no resources? Did Jesus own or rent the boat?

And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled, which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarene’ - Matthew 2:23

If Joseph, Mary and young Jesus lived in Nazareth, did they have a house there or did they just hang out in the streets? And if the prophets foretold, that Jesus would be a Nazarene or a resident of Nazareth, we’re they talking about someone, who would not have a home in Nazareth?
Also, when the wisemen visited Jesus in a house, whose house was that?

So when they had performed all things, according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth - Luke 2:39

Did Jesus and His parents return to their own city, Nazareth, but did not have a house there?

On the third day, there was a wedding, in Cana of Galilee…… both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding…. - John 2:1-2

Is it common for people with little or nothing to give, being invited to a wedding? And do destitute people normally dress up and attend social events, like weddings?

He chose twelve, whom He also named apostles - Luke 6:13

How did Jesus convince twelve men, to abandon their businesses and professions, plus long absences from their families, to join His traveling ministry, if He had no resources to make up for their sacrifice?

Jesus saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, “Follow me” - Luke 5:27

And how did the tax collector give up his profession, without a similar or better offer from Jesus? Do people usually give up the source of their livelihood, without anything in return?

He saw James and John his brother… mending their nets…. He called to them…. they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired servants and went after Him - Mark 1:19-20

How many poor people have hired servants or employees? And how could anyone with little or nothing, attract businessmen to leave their business and join him?
These men weren’t just fishing for pleasure, they were professional fishermen, running a business with hired help or employees.

Luke the beloved physician and Demas greet you… - Colossians 4:14

And once again, how did Jesus convince Luke, a medical doctor by profession to abandon his practice and follow Him? How many regular people are able to influence professionals and business people, to leave their careers and join the poor?
Why did Jesus seek professionals and business people, when He could get regular people much easier?

He was in the boat. There were also other boats with Him - Mark 4:36

Do regular people travel in a boat , accompanied or escorted by other boats?

But one of His disciples, Judas said, “why was this fragrance oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor - John 12:1-5

Why would Judas talk about giving to the poor, if Jesus and His disciples were poor themselves?

… he was a thief and had the money box, and he used to take what was put in it - John 12:6

If Jesus had very little financially, why did He need Judas to watch over or handle His finances? And if Jesus didn’t have much financially, why was Judas confident that he could steal some and not be detected?

When they had crucified Him, they divided His clothes by casting lots - Matthew 27:35

Why did the Roman soldiers want His clothes, after crucifying Jesus, if the clothes were ordinary or of low value? Do people usually cast lots, when regular people die, to see who will get their clothes or garments?


Remember in interpreting the Bible, that we are only given so much information. We take it to mean what it says and can only fill in blanks when there are good reasons to. That established first, it is good to ask yourself questions to investigate and continue learning.

The questions you ask may take months to get answers and still not be answered to ones satisfaction.
I think you have a point about Jesus birth that his mother and adoptive Dad were given wealth in the way of gold.
However the stay in the barn was very significant of the humble beginnings. Jesus was pictured by the firstborn of many animals such as the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.
That points to the fulfilment of the types leading up to Him.

As to not having a home, that did not apply to His entire life. Joseph was a carpenter by trade and not a man who provides not for the family.

Where did Jesus go when He was in full time ministry?
Sometimes He stayed with converts and friends like Lazarus Mary and Martha. He addressed His disciples about the way to get shelter when they were on the road travelling from town to town. They were to expect believers to provide their needs. Sometimes that occurs today and other times not. Ask any evangelist who is supported by independent churches. I've been with non denominational independent churches that were happy to receive service, but not interested in providing for an evangelist or putting one on staff. However there were funds that went to many ministries that did not win souls. Jesus won souls and was red lining it for over three years while in full time ministry. He went through times like that if He addressed that issue up front with the men He sent out without extra provisions.
Apparently the Master did not take gold left over from His infancy to support His ministry while telling His men to go without. Doesn't that make sense?

I expect that does make sense to you, but I'm familiar with a few pastors who were quite wealthy who refused to pay servants who were not typically volunteers, but openly trusting in the grace of God to provide through His people. I'm talking about multimillion dollar large churches that the pastor would not provide. On the other hand, many churches were generous, mostly small ones with people who demonstrated love in many ways.
There are members of this forum who are loving and generous helping brothers and sisters. Jesus takes note of those. We want to walk in His footsteps in our time here.
 
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Jesus returned from Egypt after Herod died, which is thought to be 4 AD. So depending on when Jesus was born, which I have read could have been as early as 4 BC, and what age Jesus was when he left Israel, he could have been in Egypt for 1-8 or so years. The gifts of the Magis would have likely been enough to help sustain the family for that time.

Depending on where Jesus lived in Egypt he could have had a very good religious education there. Alexandria had the, or one of the, largest concentration of diaspora Jews in the world who made up 35-40% of the population. Their influence was so great, tradition says the LXX was translated there in the 2nd or 3rd century BC. If Jesus did receive religious training in Alexandria he would not have been under the influence of the pharisees and their traditions.
 
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PS~ are you aware of the fact that some of Jesus' disciples were fishermen?
Do you know what fishermen use for work? Do I need to give you a clue?
They are made of wood and float on water...
If some of the fishermen used their own boats for the ministry, that would require even more compensation from Jesus?
 
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Was Jesus born in a manger because His parents were poor or was it because there was no room at the inn or hotel?
Jesus was meant to be born in a stable and laid in a feeding trough that fed the animals -----God doesn't make mistakes and so it was not because they were poor ===and it was not because there was no room at the Inn -----If God wanted Jesus to be born at the Inn Jesus would have been born at the Inn --God would have made Room at the Inn for His Son to be Born --but He was to be Born in the lowest level of the Inn --The Stable --

The Stable's in those days were at the lower level of the house ---Jesus was King and climbed down the Ladder to the Lowest level ---and the stable was the Lowest level of the House -----

You can see it here
https://hmane.harvard.edu/houses-ancient-israel
Houses of Ancient Israel


i say -------Now --Jesus being laid in a feeding an animal trough was no Accident -----The feeding Trough feeds the animals -----And Jesus is out Bread of life and He feeds us -----and so the feeding Trough symbolizes that Jesus feeds us Divine food ----

Jesus – the Bread of Life –
John 6:56-69. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven.

That is why Jesus was laid in a feeding trough -----God planned this before the foundation of the world ----
 
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Was Jesus really, saying that He did not have a home or was He saying that He was always traveling and never in one place permanently, like foxes go back to their holes and birds go back to their nests everyday?
I say ------Jesus was A Carpenter's Son and would have been able to build Himself a home ---and He lived with His Parents who had a Home and I suspect that Jesus would have inherited the home from His Parents as well as His other brothers ----

So Jesus had a Home ---Folks ----Jesus had a place to Hang His head ---and when Jesus was Preaching on the Road He had influential wealthy People following Him on His journeys and funding His Ministry ------


Luke 8:1-3

Easy-to-Read Version

The Group With Jesus
8 The next day, Jesus traveled through some cities and small towns. Jesus told the people a message from God, the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him.

2 There were also some women with him. Jesus had healed these women of sicknesses and evil spirits. One of them was Mary, who was called Magdalene. Seven demons had come out of her.

3 Also with these women were Joanna, the wife of Chuza (the manager of Herod’s property), Susanna, and many other women. These women used their own money to help Jesus and his apostles.

Also ---there was a Disciple of Jesus who was wealthy -----

Matthew 27:57 (ESV)
57 When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who also was a disciple of Jesus.

I say ------So do you not think these people had friends and relatives that Jesus and all who were with Him would have had a place to stay on their travels to preach the Gospel -----

Jesus at times did have to dust off His feet and carry on to the next place when He was rejected in a town --so He did have to stay outside at times ---but not all the time as people have used this Piece of Scripture to say Jesus was poor and a vagabond---