OP: Great post!! Very INFORMATIVE. Thumb's up!
Zone and Phil: Nonsense to your"nonsense"!
Abiding: "These ideas prove their faith in the Holy Spiri'ts impotance importance??, and makes it the work of man. They talk of the supernatural ,yet they believe it to be done physically. Many prophetic ACTS were in the Bible. Washing and regeneration comes from not the word and the Spirit but someone who stumbles upon a website and listens to a few sermons, or reads a few books, or even takes some coarses. Discernment is a GIFT that we CAN ASK FOR.
If I didnt believe in John 17 id say these people could keep someone from believing. Just they way they dishonor Him and make us look like clowns following a God with so little power, order, or wisdom. And it also shows their attitude to the power of the gospel, prayer, and the means and necessity of growth in grace. It decieves the weak and young and does the opposite of what it promices. But it has been given in the list of signs and wonders Jesus brings up on judgement day, and makes for exciting boastings..opps i mean testimonies. " Teachings on deliverance and warfare EMPOWER the weak and EDUCATE the unknowledgeable. And if they don't, it's usually because there is a DEMON of religion...a religious spirit, that is interfering with the person's ability to understand and receive.
ANA: how do people continously "wrestle" against spiritual wickedness in high places? This is the 'resisting the enemy' as well as taking authority and commanding them to leave when you recognize or realize their presence; it is also striving to rest in the Lord; it is going to the Cross when Holy Spirit convicts you of something. It is ALL done so that the enemy...the wicked spirits...cannot succeed against us.
Zone and Phil, why do so many who call themselves Christians believe and teach it? Because it is a reality that far too many do not acknowledge.
Noah's Mom: "Demons will use these wounds and weaknesses against the person, as leverage to hold them in bondage and get them to re-open doors so that they can re-enter. Once I gave it to the Lord, Thats just it, I gave it. You might give it to the Lord, but the demons are persistent and will repeatedly attack, annoy, and try to influence you!
Removing legal rights: Legal rights are things that give demons permission to enter and remain in our lives. Before demons can often be cast out, it is important to address and remove these legal rights. The teaching on Legal Rights lists the most common legal rights and how you can go about removing them. Failing to remove legal rights can hold up a deliverance very easily.Demons have legal rights ? Never heard of this, and Im bein serious.........." Every time we sin we give the demonic a legal right to attack us, to influence us, to use that 'open door' to gain access to our lives. Our rightEOUSNESS render them right-less!
# 11, Loveschild: EXACTLY!!
ANA: "having the Holy Spirit reside in your heart and soul cancels out any legal right a demon may claim. No, it does not. Every believer has Jesus in their heart. Every one that has had the baptism of the Holy Spirit is empowered for ministry by the Holy Spirit. However, EVERY believer, spirit-filled or not, sins, hopefully without intent. (and that thought is for another thread). And sin is what opens the door.
demons only have rights when you live under the LAW and not under GRACE. " Not true and you will not find that in scripture.
ZONE: "ONLY GOD GIVES DEMONS 'LEGAL' RIGHTS TO DO ANYTHING. " That's RIGHT !! NOW you are beginning to understand! God has given the demons the RIGHT to accost us when we sin. It is our CHOICE to sin and when we do, they have a God-given right to step in. God created them FOR the purpose of evil...the goal being that when we sin and are attacked because of that, we turn to Him and seek refuge.
Originally Posted by loveschild
 You don't know what your talking about. Why are you hearing hearing demons if the Holy Spirit canceled it out? Excellent point!
ZONE: because she was dabbling in THE UNBIBLICAL OCCULT WARFARE you do.
Well if there is "occult warfare" just WHO are they warring AGAINST?? Yeah,....us and our Lord.
ANA: Loveschild: "You don't know what your talking about. Why are you hearing hearing demons if the Holy Spirit canceled it out??"
Ana: "Because God allows it so I might be warned of the lies people claiming to be "helping" me will tell me, that way when I hear the words spoken I know they are from demons and not God." No Anandhya. Hearing demons is not the same thing as hearing ignorant people. You SHOULD be able to hear both the Holy Spirit AND demons...everyone does, but most do not recognize the evil or nasty thoughts as being from demons. The KEY is DISCERNMENT. And you can ask the Lord, daily even, for discernment so you can better decipher between His voice and theirs. The reason that the Lord tells us in HIs word, to have His word written upon our hearts is so that when we DO get a thought from the enemy, we will have a working knowledge of His word by which to judge its source.
Example:
Lie: "Sin gives legal rights to demons to enter human bodies." Truth
Truth: Demons can not enter any human body that has the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit resides in our spiritual HEARTs and SOULs but the demons can enter the FLESH. they can only whisper lies OUTSIDE the human bodies. THEY do not possess God's people, Correct. Believers are POssessed by Holy Spirit they just try and get invited in So they CAN get in... by causing the people to sin and reject GOD. Even then they can NOT enter but instead keep the person from being an effective witness to winning souls to Christ. The fact that a person that has sinned is carrying an evil entity (until they repent) does render them less effective. But it isn't that the get in and then the person sins. It's the other way around...the person sins and opens the door and then it comes in. When the person has the HOLY SPIRIT MATURE inside them and the full armor of GOD firmly in place then they can do battle and help and teach others. ONLY if they understand HOW to appropriate what Christ did on the cross. And...FYI, one does not put on the armor but standing up and reciting what the armor is. The 'wearing' of the Amour is both a character issue and a prophetic act. that is why I test any who wish to "teach" me anything.. That is wisdom.
If they sin they have the breastplate of righteousness, NOT their righteousness But CHRIST's who is perfect. IF they sin and do not repent, that breastplate is damaged and not in the protective condition that the Lord designed it to be. the demons will lie and say it is their sin that allows them rights to torment them, but it is a LIE. HUH?? Yes, demons lie. That is what they were created to do. It's their JOB! Demons do not sin, they do wickedness as God designed them to do. It is OUR sin that allows them the right to attack.