The Hypocrisy of Exegesis

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And the worm speaks again!

I ain't going for popularity here could care less about that Just the truth and I do not see it in you sorry!:(
Well, you're certainly not seeing it in the Word either if you're an Arianist, so I'm in good company with scripture.
 
Aug 18, 2011
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Is that what your two whole days of reading about Arius has wrought?

The EOC thing is very humorous, BTW. It's baffling, though, since they would consider me anathema.

And false doctrine CAN come from incorrect exegesis, but much more from eisegesis like yours.
If the EOC would consider you Anathema as you say then I guess it is evident of your origin then isn't it!
 
Feb 23, 2011
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If the EOC would consider you Anathema as you say then I guess it is evident of your origin then isn't it!
Well... I bear you no ill will, regardless of your personal judgement. I've never called your salvation into question or attributed your every word to Satan. That doesn't mean your Godhead doctrine is scriptural and/or true.

Oddly enough, I greatly enjoy your sarcasm.
 
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Oddly enough, I greatly enjoy your sarcasm.
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Well I think Anandya has got you both beat.
 
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Well... I bear you no ill will, regardless of your personal judgement. I've never called your salvation into question or attributed your every word to Satan. That doesn't mean your Godhead doctrine is scriptural and/or true.

Oddly enough, I greatly enjoy your sarcasm.
It is not I who judges you but your own words that do speak for themselves.

It is not my place to Judge I know this if you do not agree with me why then parley?

Would you lay a trap before a brother?

The truth shall make itself known regardless how man may suppress it is this not so?
 
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This whole thread is like someone saying, "Don't aim before you shoot the basketball in the hoop. Because if you look at the hoop, it means you're not looking at the ball. And the ball is what's in your hands. So just shoot with a firm grip on the ball. It's all about the ball!!"

I mean yeah, I guess this is all about the Bible. But like shooting a basketball there is technique and proper form.

Some people avoid exegesis so the rigors of sound interpretation won't invalidate the heresy, error and endless drivel they want to spew out of their puffed up spiritual pie hole.

I'm saying that about SOME in general. No one specifically.
 
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This whole thread is like someone saying, "Don't aim before you shoot the basketball in the hoop. Because if you look at the hoop, it means you're not looking at the ball. And the ball is what's in your hands. So just shoot with a firm grip on the ball. It's all about the ball!!"

I mean yeah, I guess this is all about the Bible. But like shooting a basketball there is technique and proper form.

Some people avoid exegesis so the rigors of sound interpretation won't invalidate the heresy, error and endless drivel they want to spew out of their puffed up spiritual pie hole.

I'm saying that about SOME in general. No one specifically.
I appreciate your position Still but specifically is what I'm going for here especially where sound interpretation of the Bible is concerned My position is not one of adversary rather scholarly in nature I do hope my Methodology is not considered offensive
 
Feb 23, 2011
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It is not I who judges you but your own words that do speak for themselves.

It is not my place to Judge I know this if you do not agree with me why then parley?

Would you lay a trap before a brother?

The truth shall make itself known regardless how man may suppress it is this not so?
I've clearly presented an exegetic overview of Godhead doctrine. I am more than willing to be judged by those words and let them speak for themselves both here and in eternity.

Jesus is the embodiment of God's substance within the natural realm as a finite focal point of presence for His omnipresence. The fullness of the Godhead bodily.

The process of Him doing so is that He spoke forth the Divine Content of the Rhema as the Divine Expression which is the Logos. By speaking forth the substance of His OWN Self, He divided asunder His Spirit to proceed out from His Soul into the temporal to indwell man's spirit and redeem man's soul.

God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. Jesus is the person of God manifested from the eternal into the temporal.

"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus is not a second of three God-"persons"; nor is He created as a second of three "entities" as one God-source

Jesus IS God..
 
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I've clearly presented an exegetic overview of Godhead doctrine. I am more than willing to be judged by those words and let them speak for themselves both here and in eternity.

Jesus is the embodiment of God's substance within the natural realm as a finite focal point of presence for His omnipresence. The fullness of the Godhead bodily.

The process of Him doing so is that He spoke forth the Divine Content of the Rhema as the Divine Expression which is the Logos. By speaking forth the substance of His OWN Self, He divided asunder His Spirit to proceed out from His Soul into the temporal to indwell man's spirit and redeem man's soul.

God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. Jesus is the person of God manifested from the eternal into the temporal.

"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus is not a second of three God-"persons"; nor is He created as a second of three "entities" as one God-source

Jesus IS God..
Then I guess we will just have to trash the following scriptures:
Hebrews 1 whole chapter
Hebrews 2:5-18
Hebrews 7 15-18 and 26
Hebrews 8:1
1 Peter 3:22
Colossians 1:13-16
Romans 1:1-9
Matthew 17:5
1 John 2:21-22
John 20:17
John17:3
John 5:26-27
1 Timothy 2:5
Philippians 2:7
2 Corinthians 5:21
Ephesians1:3

Cause they all point at Jesus's nature as subordinate of God as you have stated he created his temporal being from himself which you are claiming is another Face of the Father if you will or his right hand shall we say and that corporeal existence alone he was Known as Jesus not whole God but inpart and wasn't until after his resurrection and ascension that he became whole again does that about sum it up correct me if I have misunderstood your definition please
 
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John 1:18, KJV

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

declared (#1834 - Greek: exegeomai) to bring out, declare thoroughly and particularly. From this verb comes the English word exegesis - the unfolding through teaching.
 

DinoDillinger

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Ask yourself who defined the terms?

I chose my words carefully and have prayed much over this especially lately Ananda and every time I pray another passage comes to me in some form or other (or so it would seem) my arguments are as much to help me learn the truth of scripture as they are focused on The Way The Truth And the Light!
What is Gods first creation in Genesis1?

What did Jesus say?"I am the way the truth and the Light none shall come unto the father but by me"
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Fixed :D
 
Aug 18, 2011
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John 1:18, KJV

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

declared (#1834 - Greek: exegeomai) to bring out, declare thoroughly and particularly. From this verb comes the English word exegesis - the unfolding through teaching.
Thank you for that piece of scripture fits right in the folder sort of speak!
 
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John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Fixed :D
Same meaning no difference is inferred your fixing was not necessary but thanks

KJV says "by me" not "except through me" Your obviously reading an NIV

CHOW!
 
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Feb 23, 2011
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Then I guess we will just have to trash the following scriptures:
Hebrews 1 whole chapter
Hebrews 2:5-18
Hebrews 7 15-18 and 26
Hebrews 8:1
1 Peter 3:22
Colossians 1:13-16
Romans 1:1-9
Matthew 17:5
1 John 2:21-22
John 20:17
John17:3
John 5:26-27
1 Timothy 2:5
Philippians 2:7
2 Corinthians 5:21
Ephesians1:3
I have no issue with any of those scriptures.

Cause they all point at Jesus's nature as subordinate of God as you have stated he created his temporal being from himself which you are claiming is another Face of the Father if you will or his right hand shall we say and that corporeal existence alone he was Known as Jesus not whole God but inpart and wasn't until after his resurrection and ascension that he became whole again does that about sum it up correct me if I have misunderstood your definition please
No. Not even close.
 

DinoDillinger

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Same meaning no difference is inferred your fixing was not necessary but thanks

KJV says "by me" not "except through me" Your obviously reading an NIV

CHOW!
Are you saying that it doesn't matter because the 'life' and the 'light' mean the same thing but I need to check my translation because 'by me' and except through me'?

Actually its the NKJV but I would take the NIV over the MKV any day. (MKV=Muskokaman Version :p)

Good day sir!
 
Aug 18, 2011
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Are you saying that it doesn't matter because the 'life' and the 'light' mean the same thing but I need to check my translation because 'by me' and except through me'?

Actually its the NKJV but I would take the NIV over the MKV any day. (MKV=Muskokaman Version :p)

Good day sir!
Yeah well anyway I quoted direct from KJV if your just here to sling ad hominems around go home
 

DinoDillinger

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Yeah well anyway I quoted direct from KJV if your just here to sling ad hominems around go home
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

KJV doesn't say LIGHT either hmm. I smell troll...

P.S. I am at home. :D