What's your take on Gaza? Is Israel doing everything right?

[CommodoreTeach]

Heishere made a claim that he was a liar and asked him to provide evidence for his claim. He did provide evidence, she has not provided any evidence for his claim that he is a liar.

Says you. I never saw the evidence. I believe you stated the evidence was in this thread, but after reading every post I could see, all that came close were two lies from posters who appeared to be Zionists. A good rule of thumb is never believe what a Zionist says, because Zionists are more often lying than not.

By insinuating HeIsHere supports terrorists (or Hamas), you are participating in the deception, given that there was no legitimate evidence provided. Or perhaps it is that your standard of evidence is low enough to accept hearsay and rumour? I can't tell which.

The below is what I refer to, where you indicate "they provided a post that is easy to interpret that way". I never read such a post. Please share, if it really exists and you are not deliberately being deceptive.

I have never accused HeisHere of supporting terrorism. Someone else accused her of supporting Hamas, she called them a liar, they provided a post that is easy to interpret that way. I asked her for clarification and she has so far refused. You are trying to conflate the two of us and bring in confusion. Heishere demanded evidence, it was provided, and she has yet to respond to that.

 

[HeIsHere]

A good rule of thumb is never believe what a Zionist says, because Zionists are more often lying than not.

I know this is true, but I did find quite funny as well.



History shows us this for sure, destroying records at the archive about really happened in the Nakba and then rewriting the story through movies like Exodus staring Paul Newman which romanticized the displacement of the indigenous people.
There are so many more instances.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

for the most part, no other arab nation will allow palestinians into their countries.
egypt's border with gaza is just as strong, if not more strong, than Israel's is...

Thank you for pointing this fact out!! No one has mentioned that here.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

What lawlessness? With the possible exception of HeIsHere, I see no Hamas supporters in the comments so far.

There is extreme bias against Israel here. Check the other threads on this topic.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

I know this is true, but I did find quite funny as well.



History shows us this for sure, destroying records at the archive about really happened in the Nakba and then rewriting the story through movies like Exodus staring Paul Newman which romanticized the displacement of the indigenous people.
There are so many more instances.

The biggest, nastiest Zionists try to rewrite history, or genocide entire peoples. The smaller, peskier ones tend to come into Christian discussion forums and lie about those speaking the truth, or down vote their most convicting posts! Lol.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

unlike you, I will stand by my words. Level it, relocate the people, and/or prepare for 40-80 years of reeducation. It worked for WW II, and your fellow Anti-Semites will need the same.

You? You're too scared to admit you hate 87% of the Jewish people, let alone the Christians who support Israel. You throw "Zionist" around like it is a slur.

Surprise buddy boy, it's a badge or honor.

It's a sneaky way to be antisemitic. "Oh I don't hate Jews, I hate Zionists". They know exactly what they are doing.

 

[PennEd]

Much closer to the truth of how Israeli soldiers are treated, by and treat the Palestinians.

https://x.com/AntSpeaks/status/1953944737670393999

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The biggest, nastiest Zionists try to rewrite history, or genocide entire peoples. The smaller, peskier ones tend to come into Christian discussion forums and lie about those speaking the truth, or down vote their most convicting posts! Lol.

And this is where we come to the rubber meeting the road. There are facts and just because people scream them loudly don't change facts. The facts can be known. A person should never choose a side, a person should look for the facts, which can be known. Just because one side screams louder doesn't mean they are correct.

 

[HeIsHere]

The biggest, nastiest Zionists try to rewrite history, or genocide entire peoples. The smaller, peskier ones tend to come into Christian discussion forums and lie about those speaking the truth, or down vote their most convicting posts! Lol.

tis true.

Protective the narrative until it reaches its fruition, although I doubt Christians will be happy if it should happen.

What I find particularly nonsensical is in this eschatology most all the Jews are killed except for 144 000 so why would Christians want that, isn't that hateful?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Hi,

to me the whole issue is frustrating. Everybody says something different.
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Did America do everything right in WW2? Did Britain? Probably not. A lot of innocent people died. A lot of innocent children. But here is the issue. Israel has offered peace plans at least four times and every time the Palestinians, who are Arabs, have turned down every offer. Why? Because they don't want peace, or a two state solution, they want the Jews pushed into the sea. Even Bill Clinton said they couldn't be satisfied. If they wanted a two state solution they had that offer given to them when Israel came back to their homeland in 48. They rejected it. Israel has given up land for peace, you see on the map here how small the amount of land they have. Israel wants to live in peace, Hamas are terrorists and will never live in peace.

 

[gb9]

There is extreme bias against Israel here. Check the other threads on this topic.

now, don't get me wrong, i do not support what Israel is doing in gaza. killing women and children is wrong, no matter who does it.

but, Israel has a right to defend themselves, and of course have a right to be right where they are as a nation.

but, they should not be doing the things they are doing right now.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

now, don't get me wrong, i do not support what Israel is doing in gaza. killing women and children is wrong, no matter who does it.
but, Israel has a right to defend themselves, and of course have a right to be right where they are as a nation.

Not trying to corner you here, but it was wrong on Oct 7 when Hamas started the war, correct? And we can walk back through history. Was it wrong when the Brits did it and America in WW2? Was it wrong in the Civil War when we were trying to stop slavery? No one likes war. Innocent people are killed. But Israel is held to a standard that no one else in the world is, and that is unfair. I'm not saying this so much to you but to other posters here. War has some awful consequences, that's why we have the phrase "war is hell".

 

[ZNP]

Says you. I never saw the evidence.

Here is the evidence that she accused someone of being a liar though this is not the first post, only confirmation.

Sure he gets to lie without evidence.

I believe you stated the evidence was in this thread, but after reading every post I could see, all that came close were two lies from posters who appeared to be Zionists. A good rule of thumb is never believe what a Zionist says, because Zionists are more often lying than not.

HeisHere posted this

Interesting that is what happened in 1948 to the indigenous peoples, they were raped, murdered, brutalized, had their homes stolen and burned to the ground and then they were forced out, some of whom were Christians.

This does not say she supports Hamas, but it is a plausible interpretation of this that she does. The poster made that assumption based on this post and provided this post as evidence.

By insinuating HeIsHere supports terrorists (or Hamas), you are participating in the deception, given that there was no legitimate evidence provided. Or perhaps it is that your standard of evidence is low enough to accept hearsay and rumour? I can't tell which.

I asked her to clarify her post since she accused the person of being a liar and asked for evidence and he provided that post. That was the post he provided as his basis and I was simply asking her to respond to clarify. There was no insinuation on my part, I was looking to resolve the dispute without resorting to insults. However, both you and HeisHere equate the term Zionist with Liar and so even if others don't see the word Zionist as an insult that is how you mean it. You have made baseless accusations against me and then hypocritically accuse me of the very things that are your faults. You are the one who claims there is no "legitimate evidence" as though you are the judge and jury. Some obviously disagree with you. Your standard is so low as to dismiss any requests for clarification.

The below is what I refer to, where you indicate "they provided a post that is easy to interpret that way". I never read such a post. Please share, if it really exists and you are not deliberately being deceptive.

Yes, I have provided that post in this response. If you had followed all the discussion on this you would have seen I had already provided this post. So all of these insults of me, saying I am insinuating stuff I am not, saying I am participating in deception when I am not, saying my standard of evidence is low is all based on the fact that you didn't read the entire conversation on this topic.

 

[ZNP]

Not trying to corner you here, but it was wrong on Oct 7 when Hamas started the war, correct? And we can walk back through history. Was it wrong when the Brits did it and America in WW2? Was it wrong in the Civil War when we were trying to stop slavery? No one likes war. Innocent people are killed. But Israel is held to a standard that no one else in the world is, and that is unfair. I'm not saying this so much to you but to other posters here. War has some awful consequences, that's why we have the phrase "war is hell".

Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

God did not raise up Pharaoh so that there would be peace on earth, even Jesus said this

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Obviously Paul clarified this "sword" to be the word of God wielded by the Holy Spirit. But that is why we have all these threads and debates. It is an opportunity for us to wield the word of God.

People have made the same mistake about elections, God doesn't raise up rulers to bring peace and prosperity. He raises them up to make the environment right for sowing the seeds of the gospel, for watering the fields, and for harvesting the fields. Because of World War 1 the Gideons began distributing Bibles to all soldiers and those Bibles went throughout the world and they became an international ministry in 200 countries and having distributed over 2.6 billion bibles.

The same is true of all these other wars. Yes, there is the execution of God's judgment but in judgment He remembers mercy. At times of war and famine we see more people turn to the Lord than at any other time.

 

[ZNP]

You might need to be more specific than this. There are a lot of liars and deceivers amongst the Zionist crowd, and I've found two posts already scrolling back (claiming to be what they obviously weren't). One of the posts quoted wasn't even by HeIsHere, but rather some poster YouIsThere. The other referred to the facts of how the state of Israel was created, which isn't supporting Hamas.

If you're not a Zionist, you certainly seem to believe lots of what they post.

Wouldn't a claim of supporting Hamas be a claim of supporting terrorism?

Are you incapable of reading? I never said she supported Hamas. What I said was that another poster interpreted one of her posts to indicate that she does. I asked her to clarify what she meant by the post in question. I never said that I interpreted it to mean that she supported Hamas.

If you are familiar with a Venn diagram everyone who supports Hamas would agree with the post that HeisHere made. That doesn't mean that she supports or agrees with Hamas, only that there is a tremendous amount of overlap with what she says and what they say. Therefore she should clarify her position.

 

[Doll]

Israel,as I see it,has no choice but to fight with all they have.

They're surrounded by terrorist states that want them and all Jews wiped off the face of Earth.

If Israel feels the same for the terrorist states,that's fair.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Here is the evidence that she accused someone of being a liar though this is not the first post, only confirmation.

This is wild speculation. A statement of fact in no ways is indicative that one is a supportive of terrorists, Hamas or otherwise. To claim that any rational person would consider the (below) factual statement below to be supporting of terrorism or Hamas is insane, and would more likely draw into question the mental acuity of the accuser.

Feel free to try to justify your claim here if you have one, but I'm fairly sure such a claim would be laughed out of any court, and I can fully understand why HeIsHere rightly chose to ignore such unreasonable lines of questioning if this was the evidence you believed or implied (or however else you would describe it) constituted support for terrorists (or being wrong about stating someone else was lying for stating the same).

Interesting that is what happened in 1948 to the indigenous peoples, they were raped, murdered, brutalized, had their homes stolen and burned to the ground and then they were forced out, some of whom were Christians.

 

[ZNP]

This is wild speculation.

Perhaps, but why hasn't she come and clarified what she meant? Why are you jumping in trying to deflect and change the subject and cast aspersions on others for simply asking for a clarification. The more noise you and her make about how outrageous it is for someone to ask about that post the more it no longer looks like wild speculation.

A statement of fact in no ways is indicative that one is a supportive of terrorists, Hamas or otherwise. To claim that any rational person would consider the (below) factual statement below to be supporting of terrorism or Hamas is insane, and would more likely draw into question the mental acuity of the accuser.

What I know is that liars will attack the mental accuity of those who question them. The simplest way to deal with this would have been a very simple response that clarifies that what she said should not in any way suggest that she supports terrorists of any kind, especially not the Hamas terrorists whose behavior is as despicable and vile as anything Satan could dream up. That is all she had to say.

Feel free to try to justify your claim here if you have one, but I'm fairly sure such a claim would be laughed out of any court, and I can fully understand why HeIsHere rightly chose to ignore such unreasonable lines of questioning if this was the evidence you believed or implied (or however else you would describe it) constituted support for terrorists (or being wrong about stating someone else was lying for stating the same).

This is hilarious. What do you think these threads and forum are for if not to question the events that are going on. You and HeisHere have lost your credibility. You are a joke. In a thread "What's your take on Gaza? Is Israel doing everything right?" the idea that someone would ask another poster what their take is on the current conflict between Israel and Hamas is the point. At this point I could care less if she responds, her silence is deafening and your absurd and ridiculous attacks on anyone asking her simple questions relevant to this thread expose you for what you are. By all means, let her keep silent and we'll see what the jury decides.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Perhaps, but why hasn't she come and clarified what she meant? Why are you jumping in trying to deflect and change the subject and cast aspersions on others for simply asking for a clarification. The more noise you and her make about how outrageous it is for someone to ask about that post the more it no longer looks like wild speculation.

Because Zionists use the tactic of collectively lying to try establish a false narrative. Exactly what is being done. Someone else who sees this being done (e.g. me) can destroy the tactic, hence my comments (and possibly your ire at them exposing the lie?)

What I know is that liars will attack the mental accuity of those who question them. The simplest way to deal with this would have been a very simple response that clarifies that what she said should not in any way suggest that she supports terrorists of any kind, especially not the Hamas terrorists whose behavior is as despicable and vile as anything Satan could dream up. That is all she had to say.

It wasn't a valid question. One should not be presumed to be a psychopath, a genocidal murderer, a pedophile or anything similar for stating facts. This is another Zionist tactic, more commonly applied to inconvenient truths about World War II (and being called a Nazi or Holocaust Denier), but it's still one of their favourite tactics. Do all Zionists have to reassure me every time they support Israel that they are not really Nazis because they are supporting a genocidal regime? Even if they did, its not likely a genocidal Nazi (or Zionist) is going to tell the truth about it, anyway.

This is hilarious. What do you think these threads and forum are for if not to question the events that are going on. You and HeisHere have lost your credibility. You are a joke. In a thread "What's your take on Gaza? Is Israel doing everything right?" the idea that someone would ask another poster what their take is on the current conflict between Israel and Hamas is the point. At this point I could care less if she responds, her silence is deafening and your absurd and ridiculous attacks on anyone asking her simple questions relevant to this thread expose you for what you are. By all means, let her keep silent and we'll see what the jury decides.

I gave you a bit more benefit of the doubt, because you claimed you weren't a Zionist. But you're behaving just like one.

 

[ZNP]

Yes. Definitely religious. With the object of worship the rogue state, and the belief that unquestioning and even dishonest support for this entity is what God wants, rather than worshiping Him in Spirit and in Truth.

What a hypocrite.

Consider all the attacks this poster has made on me for questioning a post and asking for a clarification.

On the one hand he castigates those he disagrees with for being "unquestioning" but if you so much as ask another poster to clarify their post he goes bananas.

Look at these posts? Is this slander or what?

Good luck with that. These people don't seem to care about honesty, or wanting the truth. It seems to be about defending the actions of their object of cult-type adoration, no matter how many times the argument repeats.

Here he accuses people of being dishonest because they ask for a simple clarification and when they don't get it they stick to their right to ask this question despite all the aspersions put on them.

And

The biggest, nastiest Zionists try to rewrite history, or genocide entire peoples. The smaller, peskier ones tend to come into Christian discussion forums and lie about those speaking the truth, or down vote their most convicting posts! Lol.

Liars resort to personal attacks when they are asked to clarify their position.

This reminds me of Saul of Tarsus

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,