State your position on Israel and current events in the Middle East

[ZNP]

In the other threads a lot of insults have been hurled at different people and this is because the terms are not defined and people are being falsely labeled.

Therefore you post on this thread with the understanding that you can be asked to state your position, and that once you have given yourself a label anyone trying to assign a different label to you will be guilty of deceit.

I am going to make a short list of possible labels in a poll. The poll will be able to put to rest some assertions about what the general attitude is of people on this forum and thread. However, if none of the labels apply to you then choose other and define your own label to us in a post. Be ready to defend your position as that is the point of this thread.

I have numbered these so that you can simply say which number you are.

 

[blueluna5]

I believe Israel are God's chosen people.... in addition to Christians.

I also think Israel is involved with epstein so.... they deserve punishment.

To what extent idk. It's the government of course, not the everyday citizens. That's always the way it goes.

 

[ZNP]

Yes, sorry for the abbreviated definitions the polls don't give you much space for each choice. But so far 100% of those who have responded are not full blown Zionist who believe the Jews can do no wrong. I am hoping this thread can dispel the myth that people on this forum think that. There are people on this forum, primarily @HeIsHere and @CommodoreTeach who are portraying this attitude as being prevalent among Christians. I hope this thread will put that lie to rest.

 

[tourist]

I fully support the right of Israel to exist as a nation and to do whatever it takes to achieve a secure and peaceful existence. Israel is the apple of God's eye and I fully support their efforts to defend their country.

 

[Hermit43725]

I had to vote #2 on that ZNP.

I'm a freely admitted Christian Zionist. The Jews have the right and the mandate to (re-)Establish Israel. They have done so. Do I believe they "can do no wrong?" Of course not, the Jews are human and as flawed as anyone else. "Zionism" and "Jewish infallibility" are not interchangable.

Oh, and Gaza Delende Est.

 

[ZNP]

Still don't have anyone who says Israel can do no wrong, I don't get it @HeIsHere and @CommodoreTeach said this forum was crawling with people who thought that, I'm starting to wonder if we can even trust those two.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

There are a lot of reasons why I believe the American people should never be dragged into that foreign conflict.

That said, I doubt if I can humanly persuade anyone who has made up their mind (emotions).
I have no interests in senseless debates either.
Perhaps those who support Netan Yahoo wish to bless him with personal donations and agree with all his decisions.

I would personally rather that teams of soul winners would be sent to evangelize the country.
I've been told that although tourism $ are welcome, they are forbidden from converting Jews.
That's sharing the real blessing that the Seed of Abraham brought to ALL nations.

He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.

He that believeth on Him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Where are they blessed to and going by rejecting the Seed of Abraham?

 

[ZNP]

There are a lot of reasons why I believe the American people should never be dragged into that foreign conflict.

That said, I doubt if I can humanly persuade anyone who has made up their mind (emotions).
I have no interests in senseless debates either.
Perhaps those who support Netan Yahoo wish to bless him with personal donations and agree with all his decisions.

I would personally rather that teams of soul winners would be sent to evangelize the country.
I've been told that although tourism $ are welcome, they are forbidden from converting Jews.
That's sharing the real blessing that the Seed of Abraham brought to ALL nations.

He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.

He that believeth on Him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Where are they blessed to and going by rejecting the Seed of Abraham?

Yes, definitely part of the Biblical account.

Personally I think that God picked the most obstinate people on earth (pretty much what He says) to be the "chosen people" and because they are so obstinate it gives the rest of us sinners a chance to be saved until they finally repent.

 

[gb9]

Still don't have anyone who says Israel can do no wrong, I don't get it @HeIsHere and @CommodoreTeach said this forum was crawling with people who thought that, I'm starting to wonder if we can even trust those two.

some people ( not so much on here) have the attitude that if you disagree with what Israel is doing in gaza, then you are pro-hamas.

too many have there minds stuck in a right/left paradigm.
disagreeing with one does not mean you support the other..

 

[ZNP]

some people ( not so much on here) have the attitude that if you disagree with what Israel is doing in gaza, then you are pro-hamas.

too many have there minds stuck in a right/left paradigm.
disagreeing with one does not mean you support the other..

It is a psyop to wear people down. The reality is so far there isn't anyone who fits that bill out of all those who have done the poll. The lie is that this is a big problem with Christians overlooking crimes when in reality no one is doing that.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Yes, definitely part of the Biblical account.

Personally I think that God picked the most obstinate people on earth (pretty much what He says) to be the "chosen people" and because they are so obstinate it gives the rest of us sinners a chance to be saved until they finally repent.

I hope they repent soon.
There's been a lot of lives gone since 1967, sadly including my precious Jewish Aunt and Uncle.
Life is too short.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

Israel can do a lot of wrong and as a people they have rejected their Creator. Even so, they are God's chosen people and there is a wonderful future planned for the Jewish nation following national repentance, which will come. They will say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". They will finally recognize their Savior! I am unabashedly pro Israel. God bless and protect Israel!

 

[Caan]

I had to vote #2 on that ZNP.
I'm a freely admitted Christian Zionist. The Jews have the right and the mandate to (re-)Establish Israel. They have done so. Do I believe they "can do no wrong?" Of course not, the Jews are human and as flawed as anyone else. "Zionism" and "Jewish infallibility" are not interchangable.

Oh, and Gaza Delende Est.

Israel can do a lot of wrong and as a people they have rejected their Creator. Even so, they are God's chosen people and there is a wonderful future planned for the Jewish nation following national repentance, which will come. They will say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". They will finally recognize their Savior! I am unabashedly pro Israel. God bless and protect Israel!

^^^^
Better than I could articulate, but my position also.

 

[JaumeJ]

My position on the Israel today is perfectly described in the Book, Revelation, or for others, the Apocalypse. It is there for all to know.

 

[Aussie52]

I am a friend of Israel, but I think they have gone too far with all the killing in Gaza.

 

[ZNP]

Thank you, we are seeing that of all the people who have answered the poll none of them simply parroting what others have said and still, 0% are guilty of being blind to Israel's sins. So if this claim that all these people in Christianity and on this forum are blind to Israel's sins is false, where did it come from? Why is this lie being blasted at us non stop?

 

[ZNP]

Prophecy Update! Don’t Be Fooled, This Is HUGE! | Pastor Tom Hughes

Wow, we get an AP reporter who covers Hamas state what the position is of every single reporter in Gaza (breaks them all down into one of three categories)

 

[Hermit43725]

Thank you, we are seeing that of all the people who have answered the poll none of them simply parroting what others have said and still, 0% are guilty of being blind to Israel's sins. So if this claim that all these people in Christianity and on this forum are blind to Israel's sins is false, where did it come from? Why is this lie being blasted at us non stop?

Intimidation, Fear Mongering, Projection.

 

[ZNP]

What I am seeing in Israel reminds me of the crucifixion of Jesus. I am seeing a military that is taking far more precautions about not harming the populace as any army in human history and yet they are the criminal, it is like the monkey trial that Jesus went through. The attack on Israel from Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis was like being scourged and yet they are also being crucified, which is not supposed to happen, it is supposed to be one or the other punishment. When the woman brings forth the manchild she has to flee into the wilderness and that reminds me of the scape goat. Israel is being turned into a scapegoat. They do this during the day of Atonement to bring peace, so you can see this is what is happening now for everyone screaming for peace, they need a scapegoat and it is going to be Israel.

By putting Israel through all the same unrighteousness that Jesus went through they will be able to identify with Jesus and this may bring them to repentance.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Still don't have anyone who says Israel can do no wrong, I don't get it @HeIsHere and @CommodoreTeach said this forum was crawling with people who thought that, I'm starting to wonder if we can even trust those two.

Here's one, in this very thread, copied below. "To do whatever it takes". The state of Israel has been using agents such as Epstein, involved in the rape of children, in order to achieve its political aims via blackmail. How depraved must one be to consider the rape of children to be justified for any reason? If one does consider the rape of children to be Satanic, why the lies by you, @ZNP, about HeIsHere and myself? While I realise posters such as Tourist likely didn't even conceive of the rape and murder of children in such statements as "to do whatever it takes", such Satanic behaviour is certainly technically included in the phrase, and indeed, is what the state of Israel has been and is engaged in, in order to maintain its power.

I fully support the right of Israel to exist as a nation and to do whatever it takes to achieve a secure and peaceful existence. Israel is the apple of God's eye and I fully support their efforts to defend their country.