State your position on Israel and current events in the Middle East

[Hermit43725]

And yet CommanderCantBeTaught continues his unfounded blood libel.

 

[HeIsHere]

This is deceitful of you, ZNP. I specifically referred to the state sponsored pedophilia involving Israel, and instead of condemning this most heinous of crimes that makes the Jewish Holocaust of WWII pale in comparison, I was accused (by at least one of the Zionists you are defending) of blood libel. Neither did any of the other Zionists attacking me condemn this most heinous of acts. I've proved my point to anyone who won't support pedophilia. For those making excuses for pedophilia, there are no depths such people won't plumb. I certainly won't expect an honest conversation from anyone (including you) ZNP, who won't condemn pedophilia.

Therefore, unless you can state "I condemn, fully and unequivocally, the modern state of Israel's employment of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile blackmail operations, and I believe there is never any justification whatsoever for employing pedophilia, child abuse, child sacrifice, child murder or other such Satanic practices", I think we are well below the minimal trust required to continue this discussion any further. If you are happy to make such a statement, perhaps we can continue, as then there will be at least some minimum baseline of morality that both parties share.

No. You have lied about me. And yes, that is libel, on your account.

I am impressed by how loathe they are to condemn what is blatantly evil.

But they are okay with twisting what we say to protect the colonial settle project abroad.

Yes that happens with that member, so just shake the dust off your feet.

 

[Hermit43725]

I am impressed by how loathe they are to condemn what is blatantly evil.

But they are okay with twisting what we say to protect the colonial settle project abroad.

Oh look, more lies. Funny how you can't answer simple questions but keep lying.

Though you've outed yourself with 'colonial settle project.'

 

[CommodoreTeach]

I am impressed by how loathe they are to condemn what is blatantly evil.

But they are okay with twisting what we say to protect the colonial settle project abroad.

Yes. Their true colours are showing, their flags are flying high, and what is on display are most certainly not Christian banners, but instead as far removed as one can possibly be.

 

[HeIsHere]

Oh look, more lies. Funny how you can't answer simple questions but keep lying.

Though you've outed yourself with 'colonial settle project.'

The Bible and the words of Christ Jesus do not support Dispensationalism.
Keep reading, you may see it yet.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes. Their true colours are showing, their flags are flying high, and what is on display are most certainly not Christian banners, but instead as far removed as one can possibly be.

I am quite surprised that this wing of the evangelical church does not convert and go live there.
Then they could flee to the mountains, lol.

 

[ZNP]

This is deceitful of you, ZNP. I specifically referred to the state sponsored pedophilia involving Israel, and instead of condemning this most heinous of crimes that makes the Jewish Holocaust of WWII pale in comparison, I was accused (by at least one of the Zionists you are defending) of blood libel. Neither did any of the other Zionists attacking me condemn this most heinous of acts. I've proved my point to anyone who won't support pedophilia. For those making excuses for pedophilia, there are no depths such people won't plumb. I certainly won't expect an honest conversation from anyone (including you) ZNP, who won't condemn pedophilia.

On this thread? We are not talking about state sponsored pedophilia. We are talking about your stance on Israel. Now if you filled out the poll and put "other" and want to use that as part of your definition of what other means, that is your perogative. But what is deceitful is conflating two different issues which is what you are doing.

You are not addressing the stated topic in the first post. You feel you can completely ignore the context and the criteria and then judge and condemn others because you wish to hijack a thread

Therefore, unless you can state "I condemn, fully and unequivocally, the modern state of Israel's employment of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile blackmail operations, and I believe there is never any justification whatsoever for employing pedophilia, child abuse, child sacrifice, child murder or other such Satanic practices", I think we are well below the minimal trust required to continue this discussion any further. If you are happy to make such a statement, perhaps we can continue, as then there will be at least some minimum baseline of morality that both parties share.

No. You have lied about me. And yes, that is libel, on your account.

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I will certainly condemn all sin, fully and unequivocally. That includes usurping the Lord's position as judge. Blackmail is a crime, pedophilia is a crime, child abuse, child sacrifice, and child murder are all crimes as are Satanic practices and idolatry. I define crimes as anything that the Bible condemns as sinful, rebellious, or contrary to God's law.

However, I do not condemn people without a trial, the presumption of innocence, and being convicted. Ultimately the only trial I will fully trust is the Great White Throne judgment. Framing people for crimes they didn't commit is also a crime, false witnesses is also a crime.

To my understanding we know of less than 1,000 people who went to Epstein Island, if that number is too low I am very happy to be corrected with verifiable evidence. We do know that the crimes committed on that island were heinous and used for blackmail. What we don't know is the extent of who was responsible for this. Did ten people in the Mossad know about this? Are we really going to condemn the entire nation of Israel because ten people are heinous criminals? If we did that we would condemn every nation on earth. This is why all judgment has been given to Jesus Christ. It is not so easy to sort out the guilt. without being omniscient.

I would also point out that although blackmail is a crime, so is pedophilia. Are the people who set up this honey pot guilty? Yes. But so are the people who came to Epstein island. They knew they were going to commit crimes. Once again, I will gladly let the Lord Jesus sort all this out, He is the judge. Not you and not me.

Every single person who has filled out the poll has agreed that Israel is composed of sinners. So in the end you are making a big stink over something that everyone agrees with.

 

[ZNP]

I am impressed by how loathe they are to condemn what is blatantly evil.

But they are okay with twisting what we say to protect the colonial settle project abroad.

Yes that happens with that member, so just shake the dust off your feet.

Why don't you read my post before spewing more vile falsehood.

Here is part of what I wrote in response so that anyone else can see how vile your slander is:

I will certainly condemn all sin, fully and unequivocally. That includes usurping the Lord's position as judge. Blackmail is a crime, pedophilia is a crime, child abuse, child sacrifice, and child murder are all crimes as are Satanic practices and idolatry. I define crimes as anything that the Bible condemns as sinful, rebellious, or contrary to God's law.

However, I do not condemn people without a trial, the presumption of innocence, and being convicted. Ultimately the only trial I will fully trust is the Great White Throne judgment. Framing people for crimes they didn't commit is also a crime, false witnesses is also a crime.

To my understanding we know of less than 1,000 people who went to Epstein Island, if that number is too low I am very happy to be corrected with verifiable evidence. We do know that the crimes committed on that island were heinous and used for blackmail. What we don't know is the extent of who was responsible for this. Did ten people in the Mossad know about this? Are we really going to condemn the entire nation of Israel because ten people are heinous criminals? If we did that we would condemn every nation on earth. This is why all judgment has been given to Jesus Christ. It is not so easy to sort out the guilt. without being omniscient.

I would also point out that although blackmail is a crime, so is pedophilia. Are the people who set up this honey pot guilty? Yes. But so are the people who came to Epstein island. They knew they were going to commit crimes. Once again, I will gladly let the Lord Jesus sort all this out, He is the judge. Not you and not me.

Every single person who has filled out the poll has agreed that Israel is composed of sinners. So in the end you are making a big stink over something that everyone agrees with.

@HeIsHere posted 15 minutes after @CommodoreTeach asked this question of me. Let the reader judge if she is intentionally trying to slander people before they have a chance to respond to a question posed to them.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

On this thread? We are not talking about state sponsored pedophilia.

Actually, I am. Because Zionists are dishonest, so they're often not going to show their Zionist hand. How then, can we know one is a Zionist? Because a Zionist worships the modern state of Israel, a Zionist will not condemn Israel, no matter how heinous its crimes.

We are talking about your stance on Israel. Now if you filled out the poll and put "other" and want to use that as part of your definition of what other means, that is your perogative. But what is deceitful is conflating two different issues which is what you are doing.

We have the most heinous crimes in history, crimes which make the Jewish Holocaust of WWII look like a children's cartoon in comparison - we're talking pedophilia, child sacrifice etc. of countless children. The most Satanic horrors imaginable, acts unspeakable against innocent children, and videos of the participation of high ranking people in governments around the world being used, by the state of Israel, as blackmail material.

So the most heinous crimes in history committed by and for the Zionist's idol, and a Zionist's inability to condemn his idol - the modern state of Israel. How to know if one is a Zionist? Simply ask him to condemn the most heinous crimes in history which his idol recently carried out, and may even still be carrying out.

Anyone in their right mind with but a few shreds of morality would be able to condemn the crimes, easy as putting on a hat. Anyone, that is, who is not a Zionist.

I think it's the only sure test, and thus far, none of the Zionists in your sample have demonstrated they're not 1000%, card-carrying Zionists.

 

[HeIsHere]

Actually, I am. Because Zionists are dishonest, so they're often not going to show their Zionist hand. How then, can we know one is a Zionist? Because a Zionist worships the modern state of Israel, a Zionist will not condemn Israel, no matter how heinous its crimes.

We have the most heinous crimes in history, crimes which make the Jewish Holocaust of WWII look like a children's cartoon in comparison - we're talking pedophilia, child sacrifice etc. of countless children. The most Satanic horrors imaginable, acts unspeakable against innocent children, and videos of the participation of high ranking people in governments around the world being used, by the state of Israel, as blackmail material.

So the most heinous crimes in history committed by and for the Zionist's idol, and a Zionist's inability to condemn his idol - the modern state of Israel. How to know if one is a Zionist? Simply ask him to condemn the most heinous crimes in history which his idol recently carried out, and may even still be carrying out.

Anyone in their right mind with but a few shreds of morality would be able to condemn the crimes, easy as putting on a hat. Anyone, that is, who is not a Zionist.

I think it's the only sure test, and thus far, none of the Zionists in your sample have demonstrated they're not 1000%, card-carrying Zionists.

The reasoning we are all sinners is not working for me.
Nothing more to say.

 

[ZNP]

Actually, I am. Because Zionists are dishonest, so they're often not going to show their Zionist hand. How then, can we know one is a Zionist? Because a Zionist worships the modern state of Israel, a Zionist will not condemn Israel, no matter how heinous its crimes.

This thread gives you the opportunity to let everyone know. You can fill out the poll, click on other and then explain your position in as much detail as you wish. I even gave you a heads up to this thread so that you would have an opportunity to do that as well as @HeIsHere

We have the most heinous crimes in history, crimes which make the Jewish Holocaust of WWII look like a children's cartoon in comparison - we're talking pedophilia, child sacrifice etc. of countless children. The most Satanic horrors imaginable, acts unspeakable against innocent children, and videos of the participation of high ranking people in governments around the world being used, by the state of Israel, as blackmail material.

I don't agree that the Holocaust should be made into a children's cartoon and certainly don't agree that any other sin known to man including the Genocide in Cambodia can make it look like a cartoon. Yes, this was Satanic, evil and heinous. However, it is also common to man dating all the way back to the worship of Moloch and Baal in the Old Testament. As bad as this is it is probably comparable to the world being filled with violence at the time that God destroyed the then known world with the flood.

So the most heinous crimes in history committed by and for the Zionist's idol, and a Zionist's inability to condemn his idol - the modern state of Israel. How to know if one is a Zionist? Simply ask him to condemn the most heinous crimes in history which his idol recently carried out, and may even still be carrying out.

Point to a poster on this or any other thread who was asked to condemn this crime and refused? The problem is not that anyone is unwilling to condemn this crime, the problem is that you are painting with a broad brush. You assume anyone who supports Jewish self determination in Israel is somehow guilty of the crimes committed on Epstein island. Such an assertion is patently false and absurd. You can't keep something like this secret if everyone is in on it.

Anyone in their right mind with but a few shreds of morality would be able to condemn the crimes, easy as putting on a hat. Anyone, that is, who is not a Zionist.

I think it's the only sure test, and thus far, none of the Zionists in your sample have demonstrated they're not 1000%, card-carrying Zionists.

By all means start a thread, or ask a straightforward question of someone without assuming guilt, without slandering them, without insulting them. Then let's see who refuses to condemn sin 100%. Also, do not use confusing terms that are meaningless like 1000%.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

The reasoning we are all sinners is not working for me.
Nothing more to say.

Exactly. If this were consistently applied, Hamas would not be a problem, either. "Hamas are sinners, what else can we expect?" they'd say. Imagine the outrage if that was coupled with the US funding of Hamas to the tune of several billion dollars a year.

"Yes, the US government is aware that Hamas are terrorists, but, we're all sinners, so, why not?"

Lol. Such a government would not last very long. The hypocrisy is that some try to justify the same thing when the role of terrorist (or Satanic pedophile) is on the other foot. The Israeli government doesn't even try to rout out the pedophiles in its territories - it gives them refuge. Certainly not a good destination for tax dollars.

 

[ZNP]

Exactly. If this were consistently applied, Hamas would not be a problem, either. "Hamas are sinners, what else can we expect?" they'd say. Imagine the outrage if that was coupled with the US funding of Hamas to the tune of several billion dollars a year.

You are the only one on this thread who has said "what else can we expect?". On the contrary I and others have said or agreed with the statement that we should pray for them to be saved.

I think the one thing we can all agree with Paul on is:

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved

Please note that @HeIsHere laughed at the idea of praying for their salvation. So you and her are the only ones taking this position.

 

[HeIsHere]

Exactly. If this were consistently applied, Hamas would not be a problem, either. "Hamas are sinners, what else can we expect?" they'd say. Imagine the outrage if that was coupled with the US funding of Hamas to the tune of several billion dollars a year.

"Yes, the US government is aware that Hamas are terrorists, but, we're all sinners, so, why not?"

Lol. Such a government would not last very long. The hypocrisy is that some try to justify the same thing when the role of terrorist (or Satanic pedophile) is on the other foot. The Israeli government doesn't even try to rout out the pedophiles in its territories - it gives them refuge. Certainly not a good destination for tax dollars.

Which illustrates the bias in the choices of the poll.

 

[ZNP]

We will all be judged with the same judgement with which we judge others. If you judge a million people living in Israel as guilty of a heinous crime because ten people in that country committed this crime, well you too will be judged by that same standard.

 

[HeIsHere]

You are the only one on this thread who has said "what else can we expect?". On the contrary I and others have said or agreed with the statement that we should pray for them to be saved.

I think the one thing we can all agree with Paul on is:

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved

Please note that @HeIsHere laughed at the idea of praying for their salvation. So you and her are the only ones taking this position.

I was probably laughing at something else within the response.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

You are the only one on this thread who has said "what else can we expect?". On the contrary I and others have said or agreed with the statement that we should pray for them to be saved.

I think the one thing we can all agree with Paul on is:

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved

Please note that @HeIsHere laughed at the idea of praying for their salvation. So you and her are the only ones taking this position.

Say the words, or its just more Zionist ranting and smoke. I put them below for you as a reminder.

"I condemn, fully and unequivocally, the modern state of Israel's employment of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile blackmail operations, and I believe there is never any justification whatsoever for employing pedophilia, child abuse, child sacrifice, child murder or other such Satanic practices".

 

[ZNP]

Which illustrates the bias in the choices of the poll.

The choice of other is given so that you can give a very detailed and precise definition of your stance that you feel was not adequately provided. On a poll you can only use as many words as you see in those choices. In most cases I had to edit them to get them to fit.

 

[ZNP]

Say the words, or its just more Zionist ranting and smoke. I put them below for you as a reminder.

"I condemn, fully and unequivocally, the modern state of Israel's employment of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile blackmail operations, and I believe there is never any justification whatsoever for employing pedophilia, child abuse, child sacrifice, child murder or other such Satanic practices".

First show me the court where this has been confirmed that the modern state of Israel authorized the use of Epstein island. I don't doubt that the Mossad was involved, but intelligence agencies have many operations that are "black ops", kept secret from the State. Israel is a democracy and I understand the State to be all the elected officials. I suspect that the majority of the elected officials were kept in the dark over this.

But if you show me where this has been the judgement of a criminal court I will certainly agree to every word of that.

 

[HeIsHere]

First show me the court where this has been confirmed that the modern state of Israel authorized the use of Epstein island. I don't doubt that the Mossad was involved, but intelligence agencies have many operations that are "black ops", kept secret from the State. Israel is a democracy and I understand the State to be all the elected officials. I suspect that the majority of the elected officials were kept in the dark over this.

But if you show me where this has been the judgement of a criminal court I will certainly agree to every word of that.

Kinda like the world needed Nuremberg to prove what the Nazi's did?