Do you think Jews should be grateful to gentiles for preserving the faith that saves and NT scriptures for nearly 2000 years?
How to Witness to the Jews
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Do you think Jews should be grateful to gentiles for preserving the faith that saves and NT scriptures for nearly 2000 years?
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
Romans 10:12 KJV
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV
“For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;”
Ephesians 2:14 KJV
“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”
John 10:16 KJV
“tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:9-11 KJV
“Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”
Colossians 3:12-13 KJV
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16 KJV
“Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: and sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. ( mark 1:14-15)
And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
( they were called and invited but they wouldn’t come)
….So that servant came, and shewed his Lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. ( Roman’s 11:1-5)
And the Lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. ( mark 16:15-16)
For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.”
Luke 14:16-24 KJV
“Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,( those who were bidden) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”( all the others that are invited after they rejected the invite including rhier own descendants )
Matthew 21:42-43 KJV
The best way would be to see how Jews in the bible were converted.
Seems to be about showing how their traditions and rituals in the bible actually symbolise Jesus.
Going to the old testament prophets and looking at what the likes of the tabernacle represented.
Seems to be about showing how their traditions and rituals in the bible actually symbolise Jesus.
Going to the old testament prophets and looking at what the likes of the tabernacle represented.
Who was one of them?! You are judging Jews as a collective. One is guilty, all are guilty. We are not turning this into another of those threads. This is about how to witness to the Jews. I've asked politely. Stick to the topic, this is an uplifting thread, plenty of others to argue and fight on.
I'm going to start posting video or testimonies of Christian Jews to encourage us in reaching out to them or praying for them at the very least! Here's the first one:
Aden Friedman's Story
ChristRoseFromTheDead------
These Jewish Leaders your going on about were born Sinners --Just like you ---their Nature was still defiled ---they were not Born Again Jews ----all Jews were Sinners ---corrupt --defiled in Nature ===-just like you and us all --Jew and Gentiles alike -------every Jew and Gentile in the Bible were hell bound ----no one on this earth was ever getting into heaven ---HELL WAS WAITING FOR ALL OF US -----
The stoning of Stephen was done by Sinners with corrupt natures ---their hearts were hardened toward God ------they just happen to be Jewish ----no different than the Gentiles -----
Without God choosing the Jewish Nation to be His Own and through them being rebellious to His laws etc ---send His Son to die on the Cross and rise again to defeat Death which sin brought in ----
We would all be going to HELL -----every single one of us ---would be SOL for Heaven -----the Jews made it possible for the Gentiles to be a part of the Salvation package that was first only offered to the Jews --
the Jews refused to accept what Jesus was offering and so US GENTILES were Grafted in to try and bring the Jews to their senses -to accept the Salvation offer -----which we know that many Jews still refuse to accept ----but they made it possible for the Gentiles to be included ---
Thanks to the Jews for that ----YOUR SALVATION CAME BY WAY OF THE JEWS---BE THANKFUL FOR THE JEWISH NATION =====
WE CAN ALL NOW BE ACCEPTED INTO HEAVEN
This is a good question. I will think on it more. An outline of scriptures come to mind:
I know, today, many Jews do not think of God as father. Although the vast majority of them think of Abraham as father. I would help them to see, in the Scriptures, that their origin was in the mind of God, not in the loins of Abraham. That would connect them to the Son, who is Christ and the father, who is God. They could see then, that their kingdom, in Christ, is actually an eternal kingdom secured by the power of Christ, not by the power of their own hand.
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek signified a priesthood who administrated a covenant greater than the one at Sinai; a covenant secured in the eternal realm, not in the earth.
”For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, … remains a priest continually.”
By many accounts, Melchizedek was likely Shem. Shem could have traced his lineage back to righteous Noah but he did not. By taking the mantle of “Melchizedek” (king of righteousness and peace) he clothed himself with the Son…
“14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.”
..giving emphasis to the payment of the Messiah for the whole earth:
“..slain from the foundation of the world.”
Thus securing their place in Christ before Abraham was…
“..He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world…”
.. kept by the power of Christ in the plan of God, not in their own efforts…
”Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”
I know, today, many Jews do not think of God as father. Although the vast majority of them think of Abraham as father. I would help them to see, in the Scriptures, that their origin was in the mind of God, not in the loins of Abraham. That would connect them to the Son, who is Christ and the father, who is God. They could see then, that their kingdom, in Christ, is actually an eternal kingdom secured by the power of Christ, not by the power of their own hand.
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek signified a priesthood who administrated a covenant greater than the one at Sinai; a covenant secured in the eternal realm, not in the earth.
”For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, … remains a priest continually.”
By many accounts, Melchizedek was likely Shem. Shem could have traced his lineage back to righteous Noah but he did not. By taking the mantle of “Melchizedek” (king of righteousness and peace) he clothed himself with the Son…
“14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.”
..giving emphasis to the payment of the Messiah for the whole earth:
“..slain from the foundation of the world.”
Thus securing their place in Christ before Abraham was…
“..He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world…”
.. kept by the power of Christ in the plan of God, not in their own efforts…
”Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”
Perspective of a believing Jew
The Great Divide between Church and Synagogue
http://www.messianicgoodnews.org/the-great-divide-between-church-and-synagogue/
The Great Divide between Church and Synagogue
http://www.messianicgoodnews.org/the-great-divide-between-church-and-synagogue/
ChristRoseFromTheDead------
These Jewish Leaders your going on about were born Sinners --Just like you ---their Nature was still defiled ---they were not Born Again Jews ----all Jews were Sinners ---corrupt --defiled in Nature ===-just like you and us all --Jew and Gentiles alike -------every Jew and Gentile in the Bible were hell bound ----no one on this earth was ever getting into heaven ---HELL WAS WAITING FOR ALL OF US -----
The stoning of Stephen was done by Sinners with corrupt natures ---their hearts were hardened toward God ------they just happen to be Jewish ----no different than the Gentiles -----
Without God choosing the Jewish Nation to be His Own and through them being rebellious to His laws etc ---send His Son to die on the Cross and rise again to defeat Death which sin brought in ----
We would all be going to HELL -----every single one of us ---would be SOL for Heaven -----the Jews made it possible for the Gentiles to be a part of the Salvation package that was first only offered to the Jews --
the Jews refused to accept what Jesus was offering and so US GENTILES were Grafted in to try and bring the Jews to their senses -to accept the Salvation offer -----which we know that many Jews still refuse to accept ----but they made it possible for the Gentiles to be included ---
Thanks to the Jews for that ----YOUR SALVATION CAME BY WAY OF THE JEWS---BE THANKFUL FOR THE JEWISH NATION =====
WE CAN ALL NOW BE ACCEPTED INTO HEAVEN
Sure I understand all of that, but that wasn't the point of my comment, which was - which Jews should we be grateful to? I am not grateful for those who stoned Steven. But I am grateful for Paul and others like him who taught us the faith. Likewise, Jews should be grateful for the gentiles who preserved the faith of Christ and the NT scriptures for nearly 2000 years so that they can partake of eternal life
All Jews =====
Then what you showing here is that you do not understand that these Jews are living under the god of this world ---SATAN -Who wants to KILL STEAL AND DESTROY ---Godly people ===
So the Jews stoning Stephen are influenced by Satan ---to destroy God's attempt to preach Jesus Christ and bring People to Christ --
These Jews are Spiritually Blinded and their hearts remain hardened toward God because they are under the rule of the god of this world-----
Jesus knew that and forgave them as they didn't realize what they were doing ---
Many Jews today still refuse to accept Christ ----they are spiritually blinded and hearts remain hardened as they Follow the god of this world --Satan ------Satan influences people in their thoughts to saty away from God ----
Why? Jews today have nothing to do with salvation. Rather they should be grateful to gentiles for preserving the faith of Christ and the NT scriptures for them.
I'm going to start posting video or testimonies of Christian Jews to encourage us in reaching out to them or praying for them at the very least! Here's the first one:
Aden Friedman's Story
Things I learned listening to his testimony:
1. He was a frum Jew. Frum is an adjective that is defined as "Committed to obey the major laws of Judaism." That means he is a devoted Jew.
2. Before he read the Bible, he thought it was the probably the most antisemitic book.
3. In order to believe that Jesus is the real Messiah that he's been waiting and looking for, Jesus had to be proven as the "Messiah Son of David" and that we probably didn't even understand how important these credentials were.
Matthew really did understand the Jews - that's why he listed the Lord's human lineage through Mary in the very beginning of the first chapter of his gospel account to show that Jesus really is from the line of David. So I'm learning that this is something important to point out in the Bible to the Jews we're trying to reach.
4. When his father found out about Aden turn to Jesus, his father told him that God didn't love him anymore. This totally crushed Aden. But God knew this was going to happen and sent one of His children to tell him that He loves him. This part of the video actually made me tear up. Lord Jesus is so amazing!
So we need to keep in mind that when a Jew (or anybody else, really) turns to Jesus, this might turn family and friends against them and try to hurt them somehow. We need to pray for new Christians to be comforted and maybe even be an instrument of the Lord to send comfort and encouragement.
If you have watched his testimony and want to add things that you've learned from his testimony to witness to Jews better, please post them!
Our Fellowship has a Prayer for Israel session once a month.
The Lead couple are Jewish Converts to Jesus, and are currently on vacation.
As soon as they get back I will ask about their testimony and post their insight.
The Lead couple are Jewish Converts to Jesus, and are currently on vacation.
As soon as they get back I will ask about their testimony and post their insight.
I'm going to start posting video or testimonies of Christian Jews to encourage us in reaching out to them or praying for them at the very least! Here's the first one:
Aden Friedman's Story
Thank you!! That is a great idea! Please continue to share. We can learn something from these.
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs...
The reason why --I have given you ----so Satan now has blinded your Mind to see the Spiritual reasoning ---it is sbove your pay grade of understanding ----
Clearly----- either ---your not born again or you are born again and are a babe in Christ feeding on milk not the meat of the scripture --
It is very simple to understand went you get to eat the meat of the scripture ----but your clearly not there yet ----
So you really can't explain why I should be grateful to people who have had, and have, nothing to do with salvation, except in a vague roundabout way, that frankly makes no sense. If you really understood like you think you do, then you could easily explain it clearly
I think what you're doing is reverencing Israel like Catholics reverence Mary, thinking that you are reverencing God by doing so. Change my mind.
Wait, are you saying unbelieving Jews are godly people? Maybe this is the root of the problem.