When God created man. Is this happened literal physical or Spiritual?

[DavidLamb]

Whom do you believe, God said he is Speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49) or Man's said Some only or perhaps Few only are Parables?

I'm just believing on what God the Father said.

But God the Father didn't say that the whole bible consists of parables.

Psalm 78:2 says:

2 I will open my mouth in a parable; I will utter dark sayings of old,

It does not say that the whole bible consists of parables.

Ezekiel 20:49 says:

Then I said, Ah, Lord GOD! They say of me, Does he not speak parables?

That is nothing to do with God's written word being parables. It is Ezekiel saying to God that other people say that he (Ezekiel) speaks in parables.

 

[DavidLamb]

Before we take up Isaiah 40:3 if it is Parable or Not according to God the Father.

Actually I did not read the entire book of Genesis yet.
Which part of the Genesis would you think is not Parable?
Kindly mention a verse?

I don't think any of Genesis is a parable. It starts off in Chapters 1-2 with a straightforward account of God creating things. Then we have Adam and Eve disobeying God. We read of one of their sons, Cain, murdering his brother Abel. Later, we read of God calling Abram from his home in Ur of the Chaldees. We read of him being led by God to the Promised Land, having children and grandchildren, and so on. These are factual accounts, not parables.

 

[Godsgood]

You just don't get it. Either you lack intelligence generally, or you don't understand English well enough to grasp what I'm saying. Either way, you're wrong.

If all of Scripture is parables, then when God says He is speaking in parables, it is a parable.

Please, stop making a fool of yourself.

This is the proof. Every time God the Father speaks, there is no need to say at the end it is in Parable.

You can abandon and not believe it. But you can't deny the Truth.
God the Father said it already that he speaks in Parables.

Is it not enough when he said every time he open his mouth is in Parable and Dark saying?
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Is it not enough when Ezekiel being a Chosen of God believe and confirmed what God the Father claimed in Psalms 78:2?
EZEKIEL 20:49
49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

 

[Godsgood]

Hogwash. Firstly, you continually imply that I don't know the truth; while I am not hurt by such comments, they are insulting nonetheless. Secondly, much of what you share is not truth, but is your erroneous misinterpretation of Scripture.

If you want to share truth, you must learn truth. You cannot learn truth when you hold to wrong ideas about Scripture. See my previous post on that.

MATTHEW 7:1-2
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

[Dino246]

MATTHEW 7:1-2
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Incorrect application of the principle.

 

[Godsgood]

I don't think any of Genesis is a parable. It starts off in Chapters 1-2 with a straightforward account of God creating things. Then we have Adam and Eve disobeying God. We read of one of their sons, Cain, murdering his brother Abel. Later, we read of God calling Abram from his home in Ur of the Chaldees. We read of him being led by God to the Promised Land, having children and grandchildren, and so on. These are factual accounts, not parables.

Parables means we need God's revelation so we can understand them.
Not Parables means we already understand them.
If Some or Few to the words of God which are Parables then the rest of the words of God which you say are not Parables it means we already understand them.

God the Father gave us a warning.
Is this warning applicable to some or few words of God which are Parables or it is applicable to all words of God because they are Parables?
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

 

[DavidLamb]

Parables means we need God's revelation so we can understand them.
Not Parables means we already understand them.
If Some or Few to the words of God which are Parables then the rest of the words of God which you say are not Parables it means we already understand them.

God the Father gave us a warning.
Is this warning applicable to some or few words of God which are Parables or it is applicable to all words of God because they are Parables?
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

I don't agree. A parable is more than something which requires God's revelation for us to understand. Remember what Jesus said to Peter, when Peter said that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God:

“Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Mt 16:17 NKJV)

The fact that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, isn't a parable, it is factual.

A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. Think of the parables Jesus told - the Good Samaritan, the Wheat and the Tares, the Lost Sheep, and so on. They were stories. The parable of the Lost Sheep, was not intended to teach farmers how to care for sheep. No, it was a story, to illustrate how Jesus Himself seeks and saves lost sinners. The whole bible is not one gigantic parable. It contains statements of fact - descendants, ancestors, God's miracles, accounts of battles, and so on. We need God's help to understand any part of the bible.

 

[Dino246]

Not Parables means we already understand them.

No, it does not. Most of Scripture is not parables, but rather history, prophecy, poetry, and wisdom. Some of it is easily understood, some of it is not.

 

[Godsgood]

I don't agree. A parable is more than something which requires God's revelation for us to understand. Remember what Jesus said to Peter, when Peter said that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God:

“Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Mt 16:17 NKJV)

The fact that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, isn't a parable, it is factual.

A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. Think of the parables Jesus told - the Good Samaritan, the Wheat and the Tares, the Lost Sheep, and so on. They were stories. The parable of the Lost Sheep, was not intended to teach farmers how to care for sheep. No, it was a story, to illustrate how Jesus Himself seeks and saves lost sinners. The whole bible is not one gigantic parable. It contains statements of fact - descendants, ancestors, God's miracles, accounts of battles, and so on. We need God's help to understand any part of the bible.

Let me repeat my quote regarding Parables.

Parable needs God's Revelation in order to understand.
Although God the Father is speaking in Parables but God the Father also who is giving the Wisdom (Revelation) in order to understand the Parables.
PROVERBS 2:6
6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

By saying Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the living God is not just a factual.
As you quoted and written in Matthew 16:17 when Simon Peter said to Jesus "You are the Christ the Son of the living God"
According to Our Lord Jesus, it requires a revelation from God before it is acceptable to Jesus, that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God.

The proof is every denomination in Christianity today is saying Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God. But the recognition to Jesus are different.
1. Jesus is just a Man.
2. Jesus is the Mighty God and God the Father is the Almighty God.
3. The name of the Father and the Holy Ghost is Jesus Christ and therefore the name of God is Jesus Christ (Oneness doctrine)
4. There is only One God and in Three persons. God the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Ghost. And Jesus Christ is God and a Man.
And these different recognition to Jesus lead to different doctrines and way of Salvation.

This proves that the recognition to Jesus is not a revelation from God but from Man only.

Matthew supported his writing in Matthew 16:17 by this verse
MATTHEW 11:27
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

 

[Godsgood]

No, it does not. Most of Scripture is not parables, but rather history, prophecy, poetry, and wisdom. Some of it is easily understood, some of it is not.

If we let Our Lord Jesus to reveal if the words of God are Parables.
Since there is only One Book as basis to Salvation which is The Holy Bible which the Words of God are written.
This is what Our Lord Jesus said to the Book.
The Book is not partially open. It is completely closed or sealed.
REVELATION 5:1-5
5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

No one could understand what is the Truth written in the Book because it is Sealed with Seven Seals?
Although we could literally and physically open the book but the Truth is still hidden. Because all the words written are in Parables.

No one on earth could open or could understand.

It is Jesus Christ alone who can open or who can reveal the meaning of the words of God in order to understand.

 

[Dino246]

If we let Our Lord Jesus to reveal if the words of God are Parables.
Since there is only One Book as basis to Salvation which is The Holy Bible which the Words of God are written.
This is what Our Lord Jesus said to the Book.
The Book is not partially open. It is completely closed or sealed.
REVELATION 5:1-5
5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

No one could understand what is the Truth written in the Book because it is Sealed with Seven Seals?
Although we could literally and physically open the book but the Truth is still hidden. Because all the words written are in Parables.

No one on earth could open or could understand.

It is Jesus Christ alone who can open or who can reveal the meaning of the words of God in order to understand.

Foolish ignorance again. The book mentioned in Revelation 5 is NOT the Bible.

 

[DavidLamb]

Let me repeat my quote regarding Parables.

Parable needs God's Revelation in order to understand.
Although God the Father is speaking in Parables but God the Father also who is giving the Wisdom (Revelation) in order to understand the Parables.
PROVERBS 2:6
6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

By saying Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the living God is not just a factual.
As you quoted and written in Matthew 16:17 when Simon Peter said to Jesus "You are the Christ the Son of the living God"
According to Our Lord Jesus, it requires a revelation from God before it is acceptable to Jesus, that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God.

Yes, I agree that it requires a revelation from God to believe that Jesus, that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God. (I don't understand what you mean by revelation being required before it is acceptable to Jesus. He didn't need it to be revealed to Him - He knew Who He is.)

The proof is every denomination in Christianity today is saying Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God. But the recognition to Jesus are different.
1. Jesus is just a Man.
2. Jesus is the Mighty God and God the Father is the Almighty God.
3. The name of the Father and the Holy Ghost is Jesus Christ and therefore the name of God is Jesus Christ (Oneness doctrine)
4. There is only One God and in Three persons. God the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Ghost. And Jesus Christ is God and a Man.
And these different recognition to Jesus lead to different doctrines and way of Salvation.

This proves that the recognition to Jesus is not a revelation from God but from Man only.

Matthew supported his writing in Matthew 16:17 by this verse
MATTHEW 11:27
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

What do you mean by "recognition to Jesus?" It seems as though you mean "What Jesus understands by recognition." But then you say "1. Jesus is just a Man." So that seems to fit better with "recognition of Jesus."

 

[Suze]

Thanks Godsgood, for your question about whether God made man physical or spiritual.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. "

We learn about God in John chapter 4: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. "

Since God is a Spirit, it seems likely that the verse is saying that God made mankind also a Spirit, since it is in God's own image that God made man, therefore most likely meaning the same Spirit of God was given to man.

Chapter 2 of Genesis fills this out for us a little bit, though. There, we read: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. " Here, we see that there is apparently an indication of a physical body and a spirit. Certainly, Jesus would fit this description, since he had the Spirit of God and had a physical body. However, Adam appears to be the one that is in view in Genesis chapter 2, who is a type of Jesus. Adam is recognized in the Bible as being the first Adam whilst Jesus is called the last Adam. In a sense they are both Adam. We read: "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. " We also read, "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. " We also read, "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual." Christians are told, "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. "

I suppose one way to think of it may be that the permanent part of those persons of mankind who are saved is the Spirit, and the part that perishes is the physical body.

It should be noted that there are many possible pictures of Jesus in Genesis, and the creation may be describing aspects of Jesus several times. For example, when Genesis says: "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ", this may be describing Jesus. He is, after all, the light in the Bible.

Whilst Adam provides a picture of Jesus in Genesis, Eve provides a picture of the church. She is Adam's wife. Notice that it was only because Adam endured a sleep and an action on his side (a picture in all likelihood of Christ enduring death on the cross) that Adam's wife was created. The verse you are interested in mentions male and female. Both Jesus and his church have God's Spirit.

Nicely explained , thank you

 

[Godsgood]

Yes, I agree that it requires a revelation from God to believe that Jesus, that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God. (I don't understand what you mean by revelation being required before it is acceptable to Jesus. He didn't need it to be revealed to Him - He knew Who He is.)




What do you mean by "recognition to Jesus?" It seems as though you mean "What Jesus understands by recognition." But then you say "1. Jesus is just a Man." So that seems to fit better with "recognition of Jesus."

As we can see. The religious leaders and the doctors of the law are introducing who is Jesus Christ to the people.

According to Our Lord Jesus in Matthew 16:15-17. God the Father should be the One to introduce who is Jesus Christ to the people.

If the recognition to Jesus is coming from man only then God the Father is a mystery.

But if the recognition to Jesus is a revelation from God the Father then you will identify God the Father.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

 

[DavidLamb]

As we can see. The religious leaders and the doctors of the law are introducing who is Jesus Christ to the people.

According to Our Lord Jesus in Matthew 16:15-17. God the Father should be the One to introduce who is Jesus Christ to the people.

If the recognition to Jesus is coming from man only then God the Father is a mystery.

But if the recognition to Jesus is a revelation from God the Father then you will identify God the Father.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Sorry, but where do we read that the religious leaders and the doctors of the law are introducing who is Jesus Christ to the people? With a few exceptions, like Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, the Jewish leaders had false ideas of Who Jesus is. For example, they said that He cast out devils by the prince of devils. They even said he was a Samaritan:

“Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”” (Joh 8:48 NKJV)

They certainly didn't believe that He was the promised Messiah.

I still don't know what you mean by "recognition to Jesus." Do you mean "recognizing Who Jesus is? If so, that is "recognition of Jesus," which I agree is a revelation from God the Father. You say that because of that, I have to identify God the Father. He is the One Paul writes about here:

“4 ¶ Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” (1Co 8:4-6 NKJV)

 

[Godsgood]

But God the Father didn't say that the whole bible consists of parables.

Psalm 78:2 says:

2 I will open my mouth in a parable; I will utter dark sayings of old,

It does not say that the whole bible consists of parables.

Ezekiel 20:49 says:

Then I said, Ah, Lord GOD! They say of me, Does he not speak parables?

That is nothing to do with God's written word being parables. It is Ezekiel saying to God that other people say that he (Ezekiel) speaks in parables.

I don't agree. A parable is more than something which requires God's revelation for us to understand. Remember what Jesus said to Peter, when Peter said that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God:

“Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Mt 16:17 NKJV)

The fact that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, isn't a parable, it is factual.

A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. Think of the parables Jesus told - the Good Samaritan, the Wheat and the Tares, the Lost Sheep, and so on. They were stories. The parable of the Lost Sheep, was not intended to teach farmers how to care for sheep. No, it was a story, to illustrate how Jesus Himself seeks and saves lost sinners. The whole bible is not one gigantic parable. It contains statements of fact - descendants, ancestors, God's miracles, accounts of battles, and so on. We need God's help to understand any part of the bible.

If the words of God is not Parables then there is only One identification of Jesus Christ, One Doctrine and One way of Salvation being preach to the people.

 

[Godsgood]

Sorry, but where do we read that the religious leaders and the doctors of the law are introducing who is Jesus Christ to the people? With a few exceptions, like Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, the Jewish leaders had false ideas of Who Jesus is. For example, they said that He cast out devils by the prince of devils. They even said he was a Samaritan:

“Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”” (Joh 8:48 NKJV)

They certainly didn't believe that He was the promised Messiah.

I still don't know what you mean by "recognition to Jesus." Do you mean "recognizing Who Jesus is? If so, that is "recognition of Jesus," which I agree is a revelation from God the Father. You say that because of that, I have to identify God the Father. He is the One Paul writes about here:

“4 ¶ Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” (1Co 8:4-6 NKJV)

I'm referring to the religious leaders and teachers and doctors of the law today.
Go to the churches, cathedrals chapels and listen. They are introducing who is Jesus Christ.

What about you, how did you recognize Jesus?

 

[DavidLamb]

If the words of God is not Parables then there is only One identification of Jesus Christ, One Doctrine and One way of Salvation being preach to the people.

There is indeed only one true identification of Who Jesus is, and one way of salvation. Indeed, Jesus said;

"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

Of course there are people who preach and teach false things about Jesus and about salvation, but there is only one truth about these things.

 

[DavidLamb]

I'm referring to the religious leaders and teachers and doctors of the law today.
Go to the churches, cathedrals chapels and listen. They are introducing who is Jesus Christ.

What about you, how did you recognize Jesus?

If the religious leaders and teachers and doctors of the law today are preaching and teaching biblical truth about Jesus, then yes, they are introducing Who Jesus is. If they are preaching and teaching something else (and sadly, many do these days) then they are no more introducing people to Jesus Christ than the Jewish leaders were when Jesus was on the earth.

How did I recognise Jesus? By God revealing Him to me from His word, the bible.

 

[Godsgood]

If the religious leaders and teachers and doctors of the law today are preaching and teaching biblical truth about Jesus, then yes, they are introducing Who Jesus is. If they are preaching and teaching something else (and sadly, many do these days) then they are no more introducing people to Jesus Christ than the Jewish leaders were when Jesus was on the earth.

How did I recognise Jesus? By God revealing Him to me from His word, the bible.

By means of God's words written in the bible with the guidance of the Holy Father.

Since the Holy Bible is not the same as the academic book that we are using in the schools.

When my recognition to Jesus is come from Man, I'm reading my bible in context to understand the meaning.

When my recognition to Jesus is a revelation from God the Father, I asked God the Father on how to read his Love Letter (Holy Bible).
God gave me the idea when I read this verse.
ISAIAH 28:10
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

With God the Father guidance, he was able to introduce to me who is the real Jesus Christ recognized by the Apostles & Disciples.
It all happened through reading God's words with Isaiah 28:10 served as template.