if it's a representation and an outward sign symbolizing conversion, then it's not a spiritual act, it is a physical shadow of the actual spiritual substance, right?
The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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if it's a representation and an outward sign symbolizing conversion, then it's not a spiritual act, it is a physical shadow of the actual spiritual substance, right?
The aspirin was 'for' the cold. I already had the cold.
Acts 2:38 baptism 'for' the remission of sins. Remission of sin was there before baptism in water.
Or the other way to look at it is getting baptism for a life commitment to God.
Still a symbol of salvation, but showing you want to commit your life fully.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life,...
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: ...
The Word, "Believe" is one of the BIGGEST, most profound words in the Bible... So ! What does it encompass? = " EVERYTHING !!"
Concerning our relationship with Christ and The Father, unto our salvation.
- Baptism is not just a ritual but a reflection of a person’s transformation. True repentance, a turning away from sin, and faith in Jesus Christ, are key prerequisites for baptism. Through these acts, one is granted forgiveness and the remission of sins.
"Water baptism represents conversion, symbolizes it.. but doesn't remove "the filth of the flesh'."
For sure, the Atoning Blood of Christ, removes the sin. We have to WANT to be cleansed ( of evil ) 1 John 3:4-6, so much so, that we REPENT (turn away from doing sin), to be able to identifying with Christ and His Righteousness. ( putting on His Robe of Righteousness)
Salvation is conditional .. on "Believing Jesus" John 3:16 .. believing and actualizing ALL that Jesus said and because of God's Good Grace, and by the Faith IN&OF Jesus, we believe all of His Word, in Christ alone, His Righteousness ( by the Holy Spirit's indwelling) He empowers us, to the Glory of God Alone... unto salvation.
John 8:11 "... And Jesus said to her, Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more. ( repent )
Salvation is conditional on our repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. There is a necessity of personal responsibility in accepting salvation. Repentance involves turning away from sin and a commitment to obey God's commandments. Baptism is a key symbol of this process, marking the beginning of a transformed life dedicated to God. Cooperation between humanity and God is vital, with each person actively participating in their salvation while relying on divine grace to overcome sin. Gal 2:20
I believe and have faith in the redeeming Blood of our Lord. He saves us ! Eph 2:9, Because of His Righteousness, The Faith OF Jesus (the "right doing" ) of the Father's Will (= His Commandments / Character ) Baptism is essential for the forgiveness of sins and the renewal of the heart and is the outward sign of an inward change, a public declaration of a believer's commitment to follow Christ.
Act 2:38 ...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For me, believing in my sanctifying relationship with Christ, ... Baptism is an outward sign ( shown to the world) of the spiritual relationship, I mentioned above extensively, ... My believing Jesus, and doing His Will .. is a "spiritual" decision, by faith, manifesting a real world actualization of the "Righteousness of Christ" .. caused by the Love (Grace), redeeming Blood of Christ, unto repentance and sanctification, by the Power of Christ, in me ... Gal 2:20
I'm a work in progress ... constantly repenting & praying forgiveness, for 1 John 2:16 (particularly) ... and forgiveness for my "worldly selfishness" and James 4:4 generally. All of Romans 7 generally ~> "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Thank You Jesus and praise His Holy Name, Amen !
We shall see how well we did / do .. after the books are opened, and our names come up for Judgement, presently, so that when Jesus returns here SOON, bringing His Rewards, with Him ... I hope to be among the saints,, and to see ALL y"all, in God Kingdom Come.
Rather than Luke 6:46 and Matthew 7:23 <~~ SAD :-(
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done." BSB
Rev 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. NKJV
Happy Sabbath Folks
"Act 2:38 ...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." ??
It seems that Baptism is like, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg."
A symbolic act that signifies the believer's identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. It represents a public declaration of repentance and faith in Christ. An outward sign of the inward change that has taken place in the believer's heart, signifying the cleansing from sin and the beginning of a new life in Christ.
I guess, if you want... you can say the egg came first ... It REALLY doesn't matter, as long a WE DO IT !! unto Salvation, Being the important reality !!
I'm sorry, I MUST recant what I last said. After posting, I've prayed and thought about this ... Baptism is NOT like, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg."
Acts 2:38 “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...”
We repent & are baptized " for the remission of sins" NOT "BECAUSE" of the remission of sin.
Repentance has to precede, cleansing of sin by Christ. Christ is not going to cleanse us unless we repent first... Why would or should he, grant us cleansing of our sins, if we are not truly sorry ( shown by repentance) and turn from our sin.
Mankind does not want to give up their “love of the world” “lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life.” so they're believing a lie, that Jesus will save us IN our sin, rather than from our sin...
Luke 3:3 “And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;” ( NOT Because of the remission of sin )
Acts 13:24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Christ had to die FIRST, before He could be raised by the Father, unto newness of life. ( unto salvation in our case )
This argument is trying to support, the “once saved always saved” fallacy .. (Don't fall for it folks) "doctrine of devils" & 2 Tim 3:5
As a oneness believer and a firn believer to be baptized in Jesus name only, Matthew 28:19 does not contradict my belief, but strengthens it. For the scripture says "name,". It says name in every Bible, meaning one name. It is not pluralized at all. Otherwise it would have said "names", which it does not. That name is Yeshua. He is the is Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. If there is no other name by which we can be saved, then we should call on his name when being baptized.
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"I AM WHO I AM" Our Heavenly Father doesn't need a name because he is the only true God his son is given the name Jesus (savior) and the Holy Spirit(comforter) 3 person in one. Kind of like how the church functions not everyone can be one part but all make up one church.
Excuse me, for "butting" in on y'all's conversation here, ( I was just passing by ) ... but your statement that, "baptism is not a requirement for salvation in the first place," ( jumped out to me ) being such a false statement.
Baptism is a significant spiritual act that represents a person's commitment to God and a new birth in Christ, being an outward sign of an inward transformation, symbolizing the forgiveness of sins and the believer's desire to follow Christ.
It's the outward sign of the spiritual conversion and born again experience, into the likeness of Christ. The putting on of the ROBE
of HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Without which you are NOT a Christian.. Not a follower of Jesus ... NOT His disciple... (Matt 28:19,20) ... and NOT SAVED ...
Baptism's Role and Significance:
Is Baptism a Requirement for Salvation?
- Symbol of Conversion and Repentance: Baptism symbolizes repentance, the remission of sins, and a new relationship with God. It is an outward expression of the internal change a person undergoes when they accept Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. ~~ Matthew 3:11 (NIV): “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
- Identification with Christ: Through baptism, the believer identifies with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, symbolizing a death to sin and a new life in Christ. ~~ Romans 6:3-4 (NIV): “Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
Baptism is a requirement for salvation, as it signifies a personal commitment to Christ and is an essential part of the believer's journey. However, the experience and genuine transformation behind the baptism are what truly matter, not just the act itself.
- Essential for Salvation: Baptism is essential for salvation. It is not a mere formality but a necessary step in the process of salvation for those who are of accountable age and are able to understand and accept the gospel. Baptism is a command given by Christ, and it is through baptism that one publicly demonstrates faith and obedience to Christ. ~~ Mark 16:16 (NIV): “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
- Jesus directly connects belief and baptism with salvation, showing that it is an essential step for those who wish to be saved
- Spiritual Transformation Over Physical Ritual: However, she clarifies that the spiritual transformation is more important than the physical act. The faith, repentance, and conversion that baptism represents are what ultimately matter for salvation. ~~ 1 Peter 3:21 (NIV): “And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
Blessed Sabbath Y'all
Just fyi, and I've stated this previously, there is no contradiction between Acts2:38 and Matthew 28:19 because scripture can't nullify or contradict other scripture; so how are these 2 scriptures rectified? It's simple: what "in the name of' really means is, 'by the authority of', no different than in other uses of the phrase like when someone says "in the name of the king" or queen, or whatever. What's being implied is that what's being done is by the authority of the individual(s) noted.
Right, so the other way to look at this.... is for the remission of sins is like baptism for the life long commitment to Christ.
A salvaged life to Christ, after having received already eternal salvation, which would include full immersion water baptism. Along with things like sharing your faith and daily meditation on the Word.
The condition of salvation being belief on the Lord Jesus Christ.
The condition on getting baptism? Surety that you have already been converted. Already believed.
100% of the people were filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was not in the midst...
Was Paul told to be baptized because his sins were forgiven? No. He was told to be baptized to wash away his sin calling upon the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son (Son) is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (Holy Spirit) The mighty God, The everlasting Father, (Father) The Prince of Peace. (Son) Isa. 9:6
Scripture reveals that Jesus is not part of the Godhead; but rather the Godhead dwells in Jesus.
In Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead; Father, Son and Holy Ghost. (Col 2:9-12)
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." (Col 2:9-12)
You are right there is no contradiction. Jesus gave His disciples the command to baptize in a singular name. And they obeyed by water baptizing in the name of the Lord Jesus.
So, if you look at the Greek that underpins this passage, the word order is not as important, as what is emphasised.
Calling upon the name of the Lord and being baptised is not conclusively put as baptism first and then calling on the name of the Lord.
So, we got to other parts of scripture to harmonise.. which has calling on the name of the Lord before baptism. Especially the book of John, which has very little mention of baptism whatsoever.
(Act 19:2) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
(Act 19:3) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
(Act 19:4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
(Act 19:5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Belief in Jesus is the condition of salvation here.
Baptism came after belief. Whether you look at it as not converted before Paul spoke to them.. or converted before he spoke
Excuse me, for "butting" in on y'all's conversation here, ( I was just passing by ) ... but your statement that, "baptism is not a requirement for salvation in the first place," ( jumped out to me ) being such a false statement.
Baptism is a significant spiritual act that represents a person's commitment to God and a new birth in Christ, being an outward sign of an inward transformation, symbolizing the forgiveness of sins and the believer's desire to follow Christ.
It's the outward sign of the spiritual conversion and born again experience, into the likeness of Christ. The putting on of the ROBE
of HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Without which you are NOT a Christian.. Not a follower of Jesus ... NOT His disciple... (Matt 28:19,20) ... and NOT SAVED ...
Baptism's Role and Significance:
Is Baptism a Requirement for Salvation?
- Symbol of Conversion and Repentance: Baptism symbolizes repentance, the remission of sins, and a new relationship with God. It is an outward expression of the internal change a person undergoes when they accept Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. ~~ Matthew 3:11 (NIV): “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
- Identification with Christ: Through baptism, the believer identifies with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, symbolizing a death to sin and a new life in Christ. ~~ Romans 6:3-4 (NIV): “Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
Baptism is a requirement for salvation, as it signifies a personal commitment to Christ and is an essential part of the believer's journey. However, the experience and genuine transformation behind the baptism are what truly matter, not just the act itself.
- Essential for Salvation: Baptism is essential for salvation. It is not a mere formality but a necessary step in the process of salvation for those who are of accountable age and are able to understand and accept the gospel. Baptism is a command given by Christ, and it is through baptism that one publicly demonstrates faith and obedience to Christ. ~~ Mark 16:16 (NIV): “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
- Jesus directly connects belief and baptism with salvation, showing that it is an essential step for those who wish to be saved
- Spiritual Transformation Over Physical Ritual: However, she clarifies that the spiritual transformation is more important than the physical act. The faith, repentance, and conversion that baptism represents are what ultimately matter for salvation. ~~ 1 Peter 3:21 (NIV): “And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
Blessed Sabbath Y'all
FYI Jesus saved by the work of the cross by grace through faith. Water baptism is what one does after salvation because it is an act of obedience One who is lost in sin can't obey, they ARE dead to sin already.
Saying something is false doesn't make it so. Jesus and Paul both said the same thing.
Maybe if you knew the English term and phrase means " In the name of." Means by the authority be which one is doing, speaking, or acting on. there is no recorded water baptism where said " I baptize you in surname of Jesus " all verse are speaking in third person of a past action. Philp word not recorded John baptism of Jesu His words Nort recorded. The disciples of Jesus water baptized no word record what they said as they baptized. You are legalist and in error.
First, these are not magical incantations. Baptism is not hokus-pokus salvation. Those who insist that Acts 2:38 must be recited in order for the baptism to “work” are guilty of turning baptism into a spell.
But what did the first Christians say as they were baptizing converts? Oneness/Jesus’ Only practitioners say that the book of Acts proves their claim. But if Luke, the writer of Acts, had intended to record word-for-word the exact phrase the baptizer was to utter, then why didn’t he write it the same way every time?
- Acts 2:38 “… in the name of Jesus Christ …”
- 8:16 “… in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
- 10:48 “… in the name of Jesus Christ.”
- 19:5 “ … in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
- 22:16 “… calling on His name.”