Smoking Marijuana?

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far more concerning is that the smoke is more carcanogenic than tobacco and has links to mental illness.
That last bit is a little misleading, it's only links to mentla illness is in people with predispositions to mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, it sort of acts as a catalyst. Not necessarilly causing them just activating them, for lack of a better explaination.
 

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That last bit is a little misleading, it's only links to mentla illness is in people with predispositions to mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, it sort of acts as a catalyst. Not necessarilly causing them just activating them, for lack of a better explaination.
Actually there is also a link between depression and cannabis, particularly in younger teens as if produces a dream like state not allowing them to correctly function in the real world and leading to depression. Unfortunately I cannot give you the articles that show this conclusively as it would mean giving out my nursing password but rest assured they exist.
 

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Despite the widely held belief that cannabis is a benign drug, there is increasing evidence of
an association between its use and mental illness. Our paper investigates the extent to which this
association is causal. In order to do so, we account for the potential for common unobserved factors
affecting cannabis use and mental health. We do this by modeling cannabis uptake and quitting
jointly with the production function for mental health, allowing the unobserved heterogeneity
determining each to be correlated. Our results suggest that cannabis use does have an adverse
effect on mental health, with frequent current use having a larger effect than infrequent current
use or past use. We also find that unobserved factors that make individuals more susceptible to
cannabis use also make them more susceptible to mental illness. While accounting for common
unobserved factors reduces the size of the estimated effects of current and past cannabis use on
mental health, it does not eliminate them. (JOURNAL OF APPLIED ECONOMETRICS, Cannabis use and mental health problems Jan C. van Ours, Jenny Williams, Article first published online: 27 APR 2010)

That is a quote from one of the many articles on mental illness and cannabis use. I would also like to point out that schizophrenia is more common in teen age groups and that you would not know if you were predisposed to mental illness so why take the risk?
 
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Despite the widely held belief that cannabis is a benign drug, there is increasing evidence of
an association between its use and mental illness. Our paper investigates the extent to which this
association is causal. In order to do so, we account for the potential for common unobserved factors
affecting cannabis use and mental health. We do this by modeling cannabis uptake and quitting
jointly with the production function for mental health, allowing the unobserved heterogeneity
determining each to be correlated. Our results suggest that cannabis use does have an adverse
effect on mental health, with frequent current use having a larger effect than infrequent current
use or past use. We also find that unobserved factors that make individuals more susceptible to
cannabis use also make them more susceptible to mental illness. While accounting for common
unobserved factors reduces the size of the estimated effects of current and past cannabis use on
mental health, it does not eliminate them. (JOURNAL OF APPLIED ECONOMETRICS, Cannabis use and mental health problems Jan C. van Ours, Jenny Williams, Article first published online: 27 APR 2010)

That is a quote from one of the many articles on mental illness and cannabis use. I would also like to point out that schizophrenia is more common in teen age groups and that you would not know if you were predisposed to mental illness so why take the risk?
I can see why it can lead to mental disorders and schizophrenia for two reasons. Because the drug is a mild hallucinogen - a mild form of lsd, and also because that during the last 30 or 40 years, the potency of marijuana has GREATLY increased. This increase of potency makes pot a mild form of the mind-altering halllucinogen- lsd.

From my own experience, I used to smoke this really potent pot and now that I stoped, I see that it did me much harm. Not only did it alter my mind, but it also made me have delusions which made me see reality, not as reality, but as a delusions and deceptions.

I am not the same person as I was before I started using potent Marijuana. But I also did other drugs too which had a negative effect on me. Marijuana, just like any other drug, must not be messed with recreationally. These substances are not placed here by God so that we could "get high" and "have a good time", neither are they placed here in order to give us a spiritual experience of God. Drugs should have no part in our lives other than the healing and well being of our souls and bodies, not for enjoyment or abuse (hedonism).

These substances are not to be played around with. They are creations and miracles of God and we must respect them as such. People who play around with substances and abuse them do not realize the harm they are causing themselves, because the very creation and presence of these substances themselves are miracles which are beyond our comprehension. For us to believe that we know what we are dealing with or doing when we abuse and use these substances is beyond insanity, because we don't even understand our own condition - the fallenness and corruption of human nature. In our fallen state, for us to experiment with drugs is like committing spiritual suicide - the murder of the soul.
 
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I can see why it can lead to mental disorders and schizophrenia for two reasons. Because the drug is a mild hallucinogen - a mild form of lsd, and also because that during the last 30 or 40 years, the potency of marijuana has GREATLY increased. This increase of potency makes pot a mild form of the mind-altering halllucinogen- lsd.

From my own experience, I used to smoke this really potent pot and now that I stoped, I see that it did me much harm. Not only did it alter my mind, but it also made me have delusions which made me see reality, not as reality, but as a delusions and deceptions.

I am not the same person as I was before I started using potent Marijuana. But I also did other drugs too which had a negative effect on me. Marijuana, just like any other drug, must not be messed with recreationally. These substances are not placed here by God so that we could "get high" and "have a good time", neither are they placed here in order to give us a spiritual experience of God. Drugs should have no part in our lives other than the healing and well being of our souls and bodies, not for enjoyment or abuse (hedonism).

These substances are not to be played around with. They are creations and miracles of God and we must respect them as such. People who play around with substances and abuse them do not realize the harm they are causing themselves, because the very creation and presence of these substances themselves are miracles which are beyond our comprehension. For us to believe that we know what we are dealing with or doing when we abuse and use these substances is beyond insanity, because we don't even understand our own condition - the fallenness and corruption of human nature. In our fallen state, for us to experiment with drugs is like committing spiritual suicide - the murder of the soul.

absolutely, thank you for adding your own testimony here, I can quote as many articles as I want but perhaps you sharing will drive home the point I was making. God Bless
 
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I can see why it can lead to mental disorders and schizophrenia for two reasons. Because the drug is a mild hallucinogen - a mild form of lsd, and also because that during the last 30 or 40 years, the potency of marijuana has GREATLY increased. This increase of potency makes pot a mild form of the mind-altering halllucinogen- lsd.
1)The potency of marijuana has hardly increased at all, only recently has it passed 10% where it used to be 4%, not much difference there. 2)Marijuana is so far from being anything like LSD, you said you did other drugs but did not specify if LSD was one of them, but I can say that the effects cannot be compared in the slightest. Mind-altering, yes. Mild for of LSD, not even close

From my own experience, I used to smoke this really potent pot and now that I stoped, I see that it did me much harm. Not only did it alter my mind, but it also made me have delusions which made me see reality, not as reality, but as a delusions and deceptions.
Are you entirely sure that these negative effects were not from those other drugs that you said you did in combonation with the pot? To the best of my knowledge never have I heard of a pothead stopping and seeing anything bad with what they were doing, and I've seen alot of people quit (not because they had to) and eventually pick it back up (not because they needed to).
 

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10% is more than double 4%. That is a big increase.
 
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It's a big increase, but it's not a big difference.
 

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It is a big difference. Aside from that you are only hearing what you want to, a common theme. You are in the age group most likely to suffer from mental illness such as depression and bi-polar and as I have already explained it is not only linked to those who are predisposed however even if it was how would you know you have a predisposition? There is no blood test to say so.
 
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Duude...like, stoners can't be part of a conspiracy. they'd try to hide stuff and just say screw it and go get some funyuns or something.
It's not the stoners that have the conspiracy. It's rich people that didn't want their companies ruined by the business potential of hemp. Watch part two also.
 

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It's not the stoners that have the conspiracy. It's rich people that didn't want their companies ruined by the business potential of hemp. Watch part two also.
People always use conspiracy to justify illegal things.

Cannabis smoke is bad for you, there is a potential for medication to be made from it however more research is required. It is better if people are honest with themselves. E.g smoking is bad for me but I choose to do it in spite of it.
 
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People always use conspiracy to justify illegal things.

Cannabis smoke is bad for you, there is a potential for medication to be made from it however more research is required. It is better if people are honest with themselves. E.g smoking is bad for me but I choose to do it in spite of it.
There is no medical use whatsoever for alcohol and it has awful effects on health, but thats completely legal. Tobacco is even worse yet it's still selling just as well as when we didn't know about it causing cancer. Marijuana smoke isn't as bad as it's made out to be, but just like with most things too much can be a bad thing. You can get sick from drinking too much water, that doesn't mean its bad. No more research needs to be done for the medical uses for marijuana because other countries have done it and in many marijuana has been legal for years. We just need to learn from them on how to educate people to be smart about it and regulate the production/distribution of it.
 

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There is no medical use whatsoever for alcohol and it has awful effects on health, but thats completely legal. Tobacco is even worse yet it's still selling just as well as when we didn't know about it causing cancer. Marijuana smoke isn't as bad as it's made out to be, but just like with most things too much can be a bad thing. You can get sick from drinking too much water, that doesn't mean its bad. No more research needs to be done for the medical uses for marijuana because other countries have done it and in many marijuana has been legal for years. We just need to learn from them on how to educate people to be smart about it and regulate the production/distribution of it.
My Nursing degree says different.
 
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There is no medical use whatsoever for alcohol and it has awful effects on health, but thats completely legal. Tobacco is even worse yet it's still selling just as well as when we didn't know about it causing cancer. Marijuana smoke isn't as bad as it's made out to be, but just like with most things too much can be a bad thing. You can get sick from drinking too much water, that doesn't mean its bad. No more research needs to be done for the medical uses for marijuana because other countries have done it and in many marijuana has been legal for years. We just need to learn from them on how to educate people to be smart about it and regulate the production/distribution of it.
My Nursing degree says different.
Your nursing degree says alcohol does not have a negative effect on health?

Or tobacco?

Or does this "difference" from what WBerry stated have to do with his comment, "too much can be a bad thing," does your nursing degree say that there is no upper limit of marijuana use where it starts to become bad for your health?

Or perhaps your nursing degree says that marijuana use is not legal in many other countries?

Or that we don't need to regulate the production and distribution?

I'm curious as to where you got this nursing degree, and why it is so wrong.
 
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HannahLeigh143

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well im pro-pot sooo i wouldnt ask me this question!!! lol
 

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Your nursing degree says alcohol does not have a negative effect on health?

Or tobacco?

Or does this "difference" from what WBerry stated have to do with his comment, "too much can be a bad thing," does your nursing degree say that there is no upper limit of marijuana use where it starts to become bad for your health?

Or perhaps your nursing degree says that marijuana use is not legal in many other countries?

Or that we don't need to regulate the production and distribution?

I'm curious as to where you got this nursing degree, and why it is so wrong.
My nursing degree disagrees that alcohol has no use, my nursing degree disagrees that pot should be regulated as I think it should be kept illegal. and It especially disagrees that no further research is required. Yeh maybe I should have quoted the bit I wanted and forgot to but I don't think it gives you the right to mock or doubt my degree. Which by the way I got from Glasgow Caledonian University, I can also inform you that american hospitals are crying out for uk nurses so it can't be that wrong.

It is not legal in "many" countries. And no there is no upper limit. It has a direct effect on mental health from day one.
 
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My nursing degree disagrees that alcohol has no use,
Then your degree lies. Because if you actually went to a real medical school instead of an online scam, you would know that alcohol has MANY uses. Many of them are good. A lot of them are bad. Alcohol has been used for thousands of years as medicine, and is still used today when other substances either do not work or are not available.

And any doctor or nurse who has a degree knows that. Perhaps you were mistaken?

my nursing degree disagrees that pot should be regulated as I think it should be kept illegal.
You can think it should be kept illegal, but if your nursing degree says it should not be regulated, that is a very dangerous thing. As an illegal substance, it IS regulated, and the medical community knows that it must continue to be regulated, though the community is divided about specific regulations.

Again, a degree that came off the back of a box of cereal may not concur with the entire medical community.

and It especially disagrees that no further research is required.
This much is evidence of a degree, at least in something. Further research is ALWAYS warranted. And anyone with any degree in any scientific field (including medicine) should be in support of research. For that point, the previous poster should be taken to task.

I don't think it gives you the right to mock or doubt my degree. Which by the way I got from Glasgow Caledonian University
I don't doubt or mock GCU, or anyone with a degree from there, in any subject.

I doubt that you actually got a degree from there. The things you have said would not have been tolerated in a university setting, and your professors would have tried to teach you correctly. If they could not teach you, they would not have given you the degree.

It is not legal in "many" countries.
I can name 6 off the top of my head, without even looking them up. There are probably more, but I'd have to look them up. Perhaps your definition of "many" is different from mine, and/or from the other poster's.

And no there is no upper limit. It has a direct effect on mental health from day one.
Sigh. Again, basic mathematics is a required part of any nursing degree.

If marijuana has a detrimental effect on mental health "from day one" as you claim, and those effects outweigh the positive effects, then its upper limit is ZERO. So even if the second part of your statement is true (which you would have to provide support to get anyone to take you seriously), the fact that you claim it means there is "no upper limit" is completely false, as any first-year nursing student will tell you. Heck, a public school high school drop out could probably figure that one out.

So, rather than flouting some questionable authority as someone with a "nursing degree," why don't you discuss the exact points offered. If you have evidence to support your theory, provide it. If you don't, say, "I disagree" and there is no reason for invoking knowledge one way or another.

And by the way, yes, this country is in dire need of nurses. I suppose it's possible that means standards have lowered, and they'll give a degree to someone who has failed to learn the basics. I hope that isn't the case.