Smoking Marijuana?

[lil_christian]

I don't see what relevancy that is of to this topic, unless the plan is to use it as a "well, you're only X years old..."


However, I am nineteen years of age. Also, I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but on the forum posts it displays that information.

What's the red button beside your name for? Never have seen that before

 

[jimmydiggs]

What's the red button beside your name for? Never have seen that before

I am set to "Invisible mode".

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Accusation with substantiation?

Please. If you have something to present, bring it forth. Otherwise it just looks like a grudge.

I have, multiple times. But just to be nice, I'll do so again.

Members of this forum have brought forth some interesting questions and arguments regarding the legality of marijuana for medicinal purposes. You and "Age of Knowledge" have ignored these valid remarks, and instead go back to the same old argument you've been presenting since page 1 of this thread, as if no one has offered anything new.

This is quintessential troll behavior.

I will admit that it is possible that you are not a troll, and that you really have no idea what you're doing. It is possible that you're just really bad at reading comprehension, so you haven't understood any of the NEW arguments the 3-4 people on this forum have raised, and you're so stupid that you don't realize you don't understand them. I sincerely doubt that you are that stupid, but I am willing to put it forward as a possibility.

Of course, if you were a troll, you would respond to this post by not responding. In other words, you'd comment on some portion of this post while ignoring other portions (even if you quote the whole post), or just offering some response that has no bearing on anything I've said.

If you're just really stupid, you'll complain that I have given ad-hominem attacks against you (calling you stupid), thus proving the point.

Of course, if you're a really smart troll, you'll pretend like you're hurt by the so-called ad-hominem attacks, so that you don't have to admit that you're a troll.

So we can't win, no matter what. Which makes me wonder how stupid I must be trying to argue with you? Hope never dies, I guess.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

So you do hate me? God hate sinners. Unless I misunderstand what you're saying.

I don't hate you.

Also, when we are one with Christ, we are no longer Sinners, but rather, Saints. So do you question my salvation, or just the Sinner vs. Saint issue?

I don't believe that God hates sinners. I'm sorry you seem to believe that.

I believe that God hates the sinful behavior, but God wants us to repent and return to him.

A good parent will never hate his or her child, no matter how bad that child is. The parent may disown the child, and have nothing to do with it, when it reaches a certain age, but that parent will always love the child and be hurt by the loss.

It makes me sad that you believe in and worship a god who is hateful, and less merciful or loving than a human. Aside from being blasphemy, it's just really sad.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I also agree that age has nothing to do with it. I know some really wise 16-year-olds, and some really foolish 50-year-olds.

Out of the mouth of babes, they say.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I have, multiple times. But just to be nice, I'll do so again.

Members of this forum have brought forth some interesting questions and arguments regarding the legality of marijuana for medicinal purposes. You and "Age of Knowledge" have ignored these valid remarks, and instead go back to the same old argument you've been presenting since page 1 of this thread, as if no one has offered anything new.

What are the new arguments? I did say (as I recall) that if one wants to know about trying to make Marijuana legal for a potential medicinal purpose, that one would have to examine the bible first to try and decide what one should do.

This is quintessential troll behavior.

I will admit that it is possible that you are not a troll, and that you really have no idea what you're doing. It is possible that you're just really bad at reading comprehension, so you haven't understood any of the NEW arguments the 3-4 people on this forum have raised, and you're so stupid that you don't realize you don't understand them. I sincerely doubt that you are that stupid, but I am willing to put it forward as a possibility.

Of course, if you were a troll, you would respond to this post by not responding. In other words, you'd comment on some portion of this post while ignoring other portions (even if you quote the whole post), or just offering some response that has no bearing on anything I've said.

If you're just really stupid, you'll complain that I have given ad-hominem attacks against you (calling you stupid), thus proving the point.

Of course, if you're a really smart troll, you'll pretend like you're hurt by the so-called ad-hominem attacks, so that you don't have to admit that you're a troll.

So we can't win, no matter what. Which makes me wonder how stupid I must be trying to argue with you? Hope never dies, I guess.

I'm not responding to this part. Obvious trap is obvious.

I am impressed though, with how intricately woven that trap is. Top-notch work! The type of stuff I saw back in my days at 4chan.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I don't believe that God hates sinners. I'm sorry you seem to believe that.

I believe that God hates the sinful behavior, but God wants us to repent and return to him.

A good parent will never hate his or her child, no matter how bad that child is. The parent may disown the child, and have nothing to do with it, when it reaches a certain age, but that parent will always love the child and be hurt by the loss.

It makes me sad that you believe in and worship a god who is hateful, and less merciful or loving than a human. Aside from being blasphemy, it's just really sad.

I sometimes like the Joel Osteen type of god myself.

Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels

Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. Why?....
Does God hate anyone? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Have you ever noticed that when someone says, "No comment," it is in itself a comment that speaks volumes?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Diva, I've had enough of your shenanigans. I've added you to my ignore list.

 

[Brandon777]

Best answer by FAR was from G4JC on the first page.

&#8220;The bible says its not what we do, but why we do it that matters.&#8221;

Romans 2:5-6 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. who will render to each person according to his deeds.

Do you think this grieves the Holy Spirit? Do you think it's a sin? Sometimes I smoke weed and it makes me think about God and the world, rather than becoming mindless.

Grieving the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin which may be defined as rejecting God in some very direct way. I'm not sure exactly what it means because the Bible doesn't specify as far as I know. Thinking about God and the world can be done without using known addictive and illegal substances. We know that the majority of deaths from house fires don't come from burns, but from smoke inhalation. Smoking anything is terrible for your organs: trachea, lungs, liver, oral cavity etc...

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Grieving the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin which may be defined as rejecting God in some very direct way.

I appreciate much of what you said, but I need to correct you on this: Grieving the Holy Spirit is not "the unpardonable sin." You're thinking of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I agree that Scripture is not very clear on what, exactly, it means by "blaspheming the Holy Spirit," but blasphemy and grief are very different things.

I'm not saying that it's okay to grieve the Holy Spirit. Just wanted to clarify that one can be forgiven for doing this.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Grabbed this off of my post:

Members of this forum have brought forth some interesting questions and arguments regarding the legality of marijuana for medicinal purposes. You and "Age of Knowledge" have ignored these valid remarks, and instead go back to the same old argument you've been presenting since page 1 of this thread, as if no one has offered anything new.

I was thinking over this thread, and what it takes for a person to hate a brother or sister so much that they slander another... and I realized that what you claim makes someone a troll, doesn't amount to trolling at all. Which actually, leads me to believe it is you who is the troll.

See, if what you claim about my actions is true (which I showed they aren't) then that wouldn't be trolling at all. At best that would amount to a combination of avoiding the strongest possible argument, and misunderstanding/a lack of intellectual integrity.

It seems to me you have one of two possibile motivations for doing all this slander. I don't disallow for other possible motivations. One of them is vindication. The other, is that you're a troll yourself.

While I have come to wonder about the latter, as you've done a good job at what trolls seek to do. I don't think a Christian would be trying to do that, and so I will simply accept that text isn't the best conveyer of ones emotions.

I could, however, be completely unreasonable about this like you and make it out to look like that anything that happens makes you a troll.

For example:
Replying to this thread, demonstrates you're a troll trying to not make it look like you've been caught.
Not replying to this thread, demonstrates you know you've been caught, and don't want to admit it, so you run away.
Continueing to post slander, running around posting in threads I post, and if you try to refute what I've said, that shows you're just trying to defend your troll status, so you won't be caught
Also, saying this isn't true, isn't fair, or is otherwise pigeonholing, is really just you being a troll not wanting to admit you're a troll.
You're continiueing to post at CC demonstrates you are a troll, as trolls don't like to leave an certain area where they have succeeded. (as you have with me)

All of these are quintesential tactics in trolling. It seems you're a troll.(this is what you did to me, hence, my calling it a trap)


However, that is an example of how I could do that. So then anything you do to try and clear your name, to prove your innocence after having been declared guilty, is already a futile effort. That's the type of stuff I've seen from trolls all the time. Especially back before I met Jesus when I was a /b/tard(keep in mind, 4channers are pro trolls, and you're exhibiting pro-troll skills). I'm no where near as spiteful as you are though.



This is my last post on the subject. I'm not feeding your hatred any more. You're attempting to continue this topic, IS VERY INDICATIVE... of you're being a troll.

 

[victorious]

I've never used drugs. Maybe I should do it once for the experience.

i smoke weed and i was always told not to because it is a hard thing to give up, it also brings changes you cannot see and by that i mean not so good changes. i would advice you to stay away from it once always repeats its self. God bless

 

[victorious]

It all depends on the perspective you want to use. Liberal people will often agree with it's use because of their free-to-do-anything type of thoughts; other people might think it's used for medical purposes so they'll also support it's regular use; etc.
If you want to go use a Christian perspective just ask youself if your Lord would approve of it or ask youself if you'd do such thing in front of Jesus.

very well said God bless you x

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

If you want to go use a Christian perspective just ask youself if your Lord would approve of it or ask youself if you'd do such thing in front of Jesus.

I'd like to think I could smoke a bowl with Jesus.

 

[VikkiKate89]

I think it's fine but I don't think it's worth arguing over.

 

[leelee]

Grieving the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin which may be defined as rejecting God in some very direct way. I'm not sure exactly what it means because the Bible doesn't specify as far as I know. Thinking about God and the world can be done without using known addictive and illegal substances. We know that the majority of deaths from house fires don't come from burns, but from smoke inhalation. Smoking anything is terrible for your organs: trachea, lungs, liver, oral cavity etc...

As a nurse and the daughter of a firefighter I can tell you that yes, the majority of house fire victims are killed by smoke inhalation, however it is because the smoke in a house fire is so hot it burns the lungs to the point where they are no longer able to function (not the same as a bong). As for the addictive qualities of cannabis, there is no evidence to suggest a physical addictions such as alchol, smoking or stronger drugs such as heroin, people do not suffer a withdrawal from it. Any addiction that they have is purely in their own mind, far more concerning is that the smoke is more carcanogenic than tobacco and has links to mental illness.

 

[FREDDY01]

Just what God said to your heart dear bother?, do you feel like sinning it's a sin when you damage yourself , or damage someone else?
Yes, Jesus loves you a lot and He always will , but remember something the only thing you need to sail in the Spirit of God it's being in the way Jesus did. Read the last days He was about give Himself for our sins.
Do not need anything else to dance or make you feel good nothing but a flame of looking for his presence.
Take the Holy place that the Spirit of God abides and is you. So if preach about something that complete you, will you need to smoke too?
give what you have from Him.

I bless you in the name of Jesus.

 

[Deadflesh]

Ok, here it comes.

A follower of CHRIST has denied there own desires. So whether somthing is legal, or illegal does NOT MATTER.

We are supsoed to be DEAD. Seriously. SO UNLESS GOD comes and tells you to go and smoke a doobie(which i STROGNLY belive he WON'T tell you to do that) we are to NOT do what we want.

OUR desires are to be denied. Desire comes from SELF. its the TREE of the Knowledge of Good and evil. if the SPIRIT is LIFE(tree of life) and we are to DENY SELF. Then SELF msut be the tree of the kowledge of GOOD and EVIL, which i'll call the tree of Death. Its DEATH to choose for SELF, in stead we msut choose for the SPIRIT, SOW to the spirit adn not the flehs, becasue what a man sows he will reep. Sow destruction(flesh) reep destruction...etc. Instead of acting on what WE think is "GOOD" or what we THINK is "EVIL" we need to go to GOD. And have HIM led us. I am already choosing wrong when I think that I know and ought to decide what is right, and I am doing wrong when I try to accomplish that which I have chosen as right. Its SELF. JEsus tells us to deny it, and instead be led by GOD his spirit.

Ok, So THATS out of the way. ANY desire i nthe flesh is sin. Thats to smoke weed, or to sing in the choir. if its SELF doign it, it is NOT beign led by the SPIRIT, and instead is led by Carnal mind, and is GODS ENEMY. So giving into selfs DESIRE = Sin. We SHOULD NOT follow our carnal desires and lusts(for anythign, coveting, idolatry, all that stuff is SELF...it must be denied daily) and its ONLY deniable if we take JESUS words as 100% truth through faith adn then HE does it for us.

So it doesnt matter WHAT. Desire must be denyed daily.

Now MArijuanna is illegal(in most places in AMerica) so to SMOKE it is breakign the law, and thusly you are dissobeyign GOD becasue HE said pretty much obey the laws of the land. Obey those put in charge of you. so its illegal means you shoudl not do it.

So thats 2 reasons why one should not smoke weed.

Now should Marijuana be illegal, and all these horrible persecirpuion medications be legal? NO! i think thats pure evil . I think that these typs of medicatiosn are WORSE for you physically, mentally spiritually, emotionaly. WAY worse then marijuanna. for the WORLD.

But WE bretheren are NOT a part of the WORLD, and we are to have our minds on heavenly thigns and not CARNAL. NOT flesh, self and desire. but JESUS.

So again, Marijuanna? mainly becasue its illeagal for the majoirty. and Secondly becasue its desire. we are to GIVE UP our desire. DENY self. Its a process that ONLY JEsus can work i nadn through us throguh faith and submission to him. but its NEEDED.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Deadflesh makes a powerful point. No wonder the road is narrow that leads to eternal life. It's not because people have to be perfect, it's because they have to love God and themselves (and I would argue others) enough to be willing to die to self and be born again as a new creature walking that narrow road of sanctification leaving more of the old behind and grasping more of the new through their lives until they inherit the kingdom.