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I thought you said zionism doesnt exist in America Scotty?
I didn't say that Zionism doesn't exist in America. I said that is a faction within Protestantism. And the Protestants in the US Government are behind it. America is not a Protestant nation. We are a pluralist nation, of many different faiths, not all of the faiths are even Christian. The Eastern Orthodox Church is not Zionist. Most of Protestantism in the USA is Zionist. And the Protestant churches are trying to take over the US government and rewrite the US Constitution in their sectarian image. See the work of Rousas John Rushdoony for evidence of this.
We still have separation of Church and State in America. Thank God.
If we didn't, the first ones the Protestants would be putting to death, as John Calvin did in Geneva, Switzerland, would be the Eastern Orthodox Christians. They would accuse the Church of idolatry, and put the Orthodox Christians to death at burning at the stake as non-Protestant "heretics". Go figure. It happened in Geneva, Switzerland. Let's pray that nothing like that happens in the USA.


 
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Luther offers another line of reasoning in his “Open Letter on Translating” that many of the current Cyber-Catholics ignore, and most Protestants are not aware of:


The author you cited is a Roman Catholic, and Roman Catholicism is an innovation/heresy/schism.

So, why should we trust his citing of Church Fathers? These can only be understood in the Church that Christ founded, the Orthodox Church.

It not only referenced that authors, but also cited the author's original source.

In Re: earlier post -- When I said 'church' I meant 'church building' - Basilica, Cathedral, etc.
 

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009
New Patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church: KGB Agent "Mikhailov"

The Russian Orthodox Church today announced the election of its new Patriarch, Metropolitan Kirill, to replace Patriarch Alexy II who passed away in December. Kirill is a known KGB/FSB agent code named "Mikhailov". Patriarch Alexy likewise was a long-time agent of Russia's intelligence services code named "Drozdov" (blackbird).

... Russia got rid of Communism not to convert to a Western-style capitalist democracy but rather to transform Russia into a KGB-run Orthodox theofascist state as warned about by Alexander Yanov in his 1987 book, The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000.

Here are some excerpts from Yanov's book:


Russia's Mission

The Russian Idea proceeded....from the belief that the contemporary world was suffering from a global spiritual crisis 'carrying humankind headlong toward catastrophe' (in the words of a present day prophet). It pointed to the inability of the secularized, materialistic and cosmopolitan West to come to grips with this crisis, whose historical source lay in the secular Enlightenment: in the West's rejection of religion as the spiritual basis of politics and in its inability to realize that not the individual but the nation is the foundation of the world order conceived by God; that 'humankind is quantified by nations'.

The Russian Idea pointed to the providential role of Orthodoxy, as uniquely capable of pulling back the world from the brink of the abyss, and to Russia as the instrument of this great mission. While the Russian Idea rejected the 'government's interference in the moral life of the people' (the police state), it also denounced the 'people's interference in state power' (democracy). To both of these it opposed the 'principle of AUTHORITARIAN power'. The state, it taught, must be unlimited because 'only under unlimited monarchial power can the people separate the government from themselves and free themselves to concentrate on moral-social life, on the drive for spiritual freedom'.

(Excerpt from Yanov's The Russian Challenge, pp.24-25)

But in what then can the Soviet system find its justification? Only in the consciousness that it was unconsciously in the past, as it is now quite consciously, God's instrument for constructing a new Christian world. It has no other justification, and this is . . . a genuine and great justification. By adopting it, our state will discover in itself a truly inexhaustable source of Truth, spiritual energy and strength, which has never before existed in history . . . The old pagan world has now finally outlived its era . . . In order not to perish with it we must build a new civilization - but is Western society, whose foundations have been destroyed, really capable of this? Only the Soviet sytem, having adopted Russian Orthodoxy . . . is capable of beginning THE GREAT TRANSFORMATION OF THE WORLD." (Passage written by Russian nationalist G.M. Shimanov quoted in Yanov's The Russian Challenge, p.236)
The Spirit Of Truth Blog: New Patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church: KGB Agent "Mikhailov"

another outstanding post DA.
i've brought this up a few times. why? not for the fun of it.
to counter the lies that all those men and women who died to bring us JUSTIFICATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH were WRONG.
no, they were not wrong.

in the pictures above you are looking at men from the same fraternity.
they have the same goal.

how hard is this to figure out?

read the following very carefully to see what subterfuge and leaven we are now dealing with.


OUT OF THE DRAGON'S MOUTH ISSUES A FLOOD OF LIES:


Council of Jerusalem
The Council of Jerusalem (or Apostolic Conference) is a name applied by historians to an Early Christian council that was held in Jerusalem and dated to around the year 50. It is considered by Catholics and Orthodox to be a prototype and forerunner of the later Ecumenical Councils. The council decided that Gentile converts to Christianity were not obligated to keep most of the Mosaic law, including the rules concerning circumcision of males, however, the Council did retain the prohibitions against eating blood, or eating meat containing blood, or meat of animals not properly slain, and against fornication and idolatry. Descriptions of the council are found in Acts of the Apostles chapter 15 (in two different forms, the Alexandrian and Western versions) and also possibly in Paul's letter to the Galatians chapter 2.[1] Some scholars dispute that Galatians 2 is about the Council of Jerusalem (notably because Galatians 2 describes a private meeting) while other scholars dispute the historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles. Paul was likely an eyewitness and a major person in attendance whereas the writer of Luke-Acts probably[citation needed] wrote second-hand about the meeting he described in Acts 15.

The purpose of the meeting, according to Acts, was to resolve a disagreement in Antioch, which had wider implications than just circumcision, since circumcision is the "everlasting" sign of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 17:9-14). Some of the Pharisees who had become believers insisted that it was "needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses", according to the popular KJV translation[5] while another translation[6] translates: "They have to be circumcised; we have to proclaim and keep the law of Moses".

The primary issue which was addressed related to the requirement of circumcision, as the author of Acts relates, but other matters arose as well, as the Apostolic Decree indicates. The dispute was between those, such as the followers of the "Pillars of the Church," led by James, who believed, following his interpretation of the Great Commission, that the church must observe the Torah, i.e. the rules of traditional Judaism,[1] and Paul of Tarsus, who believed there was no such necessity. (See also Supersessionism, New Covenant, Antinomianism, Hellenistic Judaism, Paul of Tarsus and Judaism)

At the Council, following advice said to have been offered by Simon Peter (Acts 15:7–11), James, the leader of the Jerusalem Church, gave his decision (later known as the "Apostolic Decree"):

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.[2] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day" (Acts 15:19–21). The Western version of Acts (see Acts of the Apostles: Manuscripts) adds the negative form of the Golden Rule ("and whatever things ye would not have done to yourselves, do not do to another").[3]

This determined questions wider than that of circumcision, most particularly dietary questions but also fornication and idolatry and blood, and also the application of Biblical law to non-Jews. And this Apostolic Decree was considered binding on all the other local Christian congregations in other regions.[7] See also Biblical law directed at non-Jews, Seven Laws of Noah, Biblical law in Christianity, and the Ten Commandments in Christianity.

From its position of dominance, due in part to its leadership by James, the Jerusalem Church suffered first persecution and eventual decline, but never total elimination (see for example Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem and Jerusalem in Christianity and Pentarchy). The question of the relationship with Jews and Jewish Christians continued for some time, indeed it is still debated today.

Jewish Encyclopedia: New Testament — Spirit of Jewish Proselytism in Christianity states:

"For great as was the success of Barnabas and Paul in the heathen world, the authorities in Jerusalem insisted upon circumcision as the condition of admission of members into the church, until, on the initiative of Peter, and of James, the head of the Jerusalem church, it was agreed that acceptance of the Noachian Laws — namely, regarding avoidance of idolatry, fornication, and the eating of flesh cut from a living animal — should be demanded of the heathen desirous of entering the Church."
Council of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I didn't say that Zionism doesn't exist in America.
Scotty on another thread:

So, the nation you live in now is better than America, has more freedom, more opportunity, less persecution of Christians? In America, we don't have wars like in Lebanon and in Israel. We didn't have war here until 9/11/01. We don't have Zionism here in America. Zionism is in Israel.
 
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"For great as was the success of Barnabas and Paul in the heathen world, the authorities in Jerusalem insisted upon circumcision as the condition of admission of members into the church, until, on the initiative of Peter, and of James, the head of the Jerusalem church, it was agreed that acceptance of the Noachian Laws — namely, regarding avoidance of idolatry, fornication, and the eating of flesh cut from a living animal — should be demanded of the heathen desirous of entering the Church."
Council of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wow!

Adding to homebase.

Wiki is really shifting gears eh?

Any comment from Christians on this?

Anything at all?

Hello?
 
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Scotty on another thread:
Obama is not a Zionist. Therefore we don't have Zionism here in America. There are Zionists in America. We don't have a Zionist government. For America to be Zionist, it would have to be written down in the Constitution. Therefore, we don't have Zionism here in America: not in the Law of our Land, the U.S. Constitution.
 
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Obama is not a Zionist. Therefore we don't have Zionism here in America. There are Zionists in America. We don't have a Zionist government. For America to be Zionist, it would have to be written down in the Constitution. Therefore, we don't have Zionism here in America: not in the Law of our Land, the U.S. Constitution.
Why is the american government commited to ensuring israel as a secure jewish state?

Why is every policy the administration develops for the middle east consistent with that goal?

Which lobbyist has the most influence in washington?

Why are talmudic noahide laws recognized and hailed by US public law?
 
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Why is the american government commited to ensuring israel as a secure jewish state?

Why is every policy the administration develops for the middle east consistent with that goal?

Which lobbyist has the most influence in washington?

Why are talmudic noahide laws recognized and hailed by US public law?
What is the alternative, then? Kill all the Jews? Is that what Strangelove is saying? You're not preaching National Socialism, are you?
Are you saying the Ten Commandments should be rejected by Gentiles, because they're Jewish? Noahide? What has the Talmud got to do with anything? The Ten Commandments are in every Christian catechism. The Talmud adds false commandments and false pharisaic rabbinic teachings to the Mosaic Law.
The Talmud curses Jesus Christ, therefore the Talmud is Anathema and cursed by God.
 
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What is the alternative, then? Kill all the Jews? Is that what Strangelove is saying? You're not preaching National Socialism, are you?
Are you saying the Ten Commandments should be rejected by Gentiles, because they're Jewish? Noahide? What has the Talmud got to do with anything? The Ten Commandments are in every Christian catechism. The Talmud adds false commandments and false pharisaic rabbinic teachings to the Mosaic Law.
The Talmud curses Jesus Christ, therefore the Talmud is Anathema and cursed by God.
Pathetic Scotty. But expected from you.

Your dialectic is abhorrant.

Answer the questions and then tell me again if zionism is not present in american government.

Why is the american government commited to ensuring israel as a secure jewish state?

Why is every policy the administration develops for the middle east consistent with that goal?

Which lobbyist has the most influence in washington?

Why are talmudic noahide laws recognized and hailed by US public law?


The alternative? DONT allow zionism in the american government obviously. Can you think of a way of doing this that doesnt involve killing all the Jews?

I sure can.
 
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Pathetic Scotty. But expected from you.

Your dialectic is abhorrant.

Answer the questions and then tell me again if zionism is not present in american government.

Why is the american government commited to ensuring israel as a secure jewish state?

Why is every policy the administration develops for the middle east consistent with that goal?

Which lobbyist has the most influence in washington?

Why are talmudic noahide laws recognized and hailed by US public law?


The alternative? DONT allow zionism in the american government obviously. Can you think of a way of doing this that doesnt involve killing all the Jews?

I sure can.
Where is anything from the Talmud written down in the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights. If you're an expert on U.S. history, and you're not even a U.S. citizen, tell us from your extensive knowledge which Talmudic Jews helped Jefferson and Madison and Franklin write the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights? Thank you for your insights. Can you prove your insights about Zionism are something other than paranoia?
I ask you this: would there be guaranteed, absolute world peace, if Israel was not in existence? Look for the 2000 years when Israel did not exist as a separate Jewish state. Did world peace exist then? Will the world be a better place if Israel is wiped off of the map?
Would it be better if Muslims ruled in the lands Israel now holds?
Would it be better for Christians to rule the holy land? I believe it would be better if every nation was Orthodox Christian.
Including Israel.


 
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Wow!

Adding to homebase.

Wiki is really shifting gears eh?

Any comment from Christians on this?

Anything at all?

Hello?
What's wrong with Noahide laws? Will you propose some "Gospel" (cf. Galatians 1) in contrast to the NT Gospel(s)? Will you reject the book of Acts for your own law? Will you slander righteous Noah? Will you slander the writer of the book of Acts?
Do you have anything at all that comes from the NT Gospel? Or do you preach your own doctrines?

 
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Where is anything from the Talmud written down in the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights. If you're an expert on U.S. history, and you're not even a U.S. citizen, tell us from your extensive knowledge which Talmudic Jews helped Jefferson and Madison and Franklin write the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights? Thank you for your insights. Can you prove your insights about Zionism are something other than paranoia?
I ask you this: would there be guaranteed, absolute world peace, if Israel was not in existence? Look for the 2000 years when Israel did not exist as a separate Jewish state. Did world peace exist then? Will the world be a better place if Israel is wiped off of the map?
Would it be better if Muslims ruled in the lands Israel now holds?
Would it be better for Christians to rule the holy land? I believe it would be better if every nation was Orthodox Christian.
Including Israel.
No LAND is Holy NOW.

The Kingdom of God is in the midst of Christinas. WE are the temple.

Chrsitians dont need to support aggressive wars that serve to support a terrorist state like israel.

The noahide laws are recognized in US public law. Do you believe me?
 
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What's wrong with Noahide laws?
They proscribe beheading for idolatry. And Christianity is classed as idolatry by those who made the noahide laws.
Will you propose some "Gospel" (cf. Galatians 1) in contrast to the NT Gospel(s)? Will you reject the book of Acts for your own law? Will you slander righteous Noah? Will you slander the writer of the book of Acts?
Do you have anything at all that comes from the NT Gospel? Or do you preach your own doctrines?
What are you talking about Scotty? Your blathering.

And you still have questions to answer:

Why is the american government commited to ensuring israel as a secure jewish state?

Why is every policy the administration develops for the middle east consistent with that goal?

Which lobbyist has the most influence in washington?

Why are talmudic noahide laws recognized and hailed by US public law?
 
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One of "the seven commandments give to the children of Noah" consists of a universal ban on idol worship; however, early Rabbinic literature (while frequently citing the Noahide Law) reflected the simple reality that early rabbis never had even the remotest prospect of putting these laws into practice. They remained an analytical construct of purely hypothetical interest for centuries.

A few abberant quack rabbi writers and a harmless comment about their historicity by the U.S. Congress in an education day resolution appears to be the basis for strangelove's manical rantings of a world-wide Jew conspiracy that's coming to whack off everyone's head.

The Torah presents itself as the covenant law of the sacred community of Israel not a lawbook for gentile governments.

The vast historical body of Rabbinic authorities (a few quacks that you find in every group aside) did not consider the Noahide Laws enforceable at all to gentiles outside of Israel.

As Ruth Link states in "Jewish Law in Our Time," "the Noachide Code is enforceable only when gentiles are subject to Jewish jurisdiction" in Israel.

Noahide Commandments represent a category of rabbinic theory, not a historical body of law that was enforced upon non-Jewish gentile populations outside of Israel.

David Novak writes in "The Origin of the Noahide Laws" that throughout history there are "no cases where the Noahide laws were the basis of real adjudication; they were moral precepts rather than legally enforceable rules."

This is in stark contrast to Islamic Sharia which poses a credible threat to Christians because of it's nature, it's 1.5 billion adherents in the world, and it's non-geographical nature (Islam desires to submit the entire world to Allah as defined in Islamic Sharia).

Now this stands in contradiction to 13-14 million Jews worldwide (only about 1/2 whom practice Judaism) and Noahide Laws that aren't enforceable outside of Israel's Jewish jurisdiction.

You'd have to missing more than a few key wingnuts to put all your chips on the Jews taking over the world with the Noahide Laws and whacking off everyone's head to start with. But when you dismiss the actual Sharia threat staring you square in the face to do it... coo coo coo coo coo coo.

What's wrong with Noahide laws? Will you propose some "Gospel" (cf. Galatians 1) in contrast to the NT Gospel(s)? Will you reject the book of Acts for your own law? Will you slander righteous Noah? Will you slander the writer of the book of Acts?
Do you have anything at all that comes from the NT Gospel? Or do you preach your own doctrines?
 
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One of "the seven commandments give to the children of Noah" consists of a universal ban on idol worship; however, early Rabbinic literature (while frequently citing the Noahide Law) reflected the simple reality that early rabbis never had even the remotest prospect of putting these laws into practice. They remained an analytical construct of purely hypothetical interest for centuries.

A few abberant quack rabbi writers and a harmless comment about their historicity by the U.S. Congress in an education day resolution appears to be the basis for strangelove's manical rantings of a world-wide Jew conspiracy that's coming to whack off everyone's head.

The Torah presents itself as the covenant law of the sacred community of Israel not a lawbook for gentile governments.

The vast historical body of Rabbinic authorities (a few quacks that you find in every group aside) did not consider the Noahide Laws enforceable at all to gentiles outside of Israel.

As Ruth Link states in "Jewish Law in Our Time," "the Noachide Code is enforceable only when gentiles are subject to Jewish jurisdiction" in Israel.

Noahide Commandments represent a category of rabbinic theory, not a historical body of law that was enforced upon non-Jewish gentile populations outside of Israel.

David Novak writes in "The Origin of the Noahide Laws" that throughout history there are "no cases where the Noahide laws were the basis of real adjudication; they were moral precepts rather than legally enforceable rules."

This is in stark contrast to Islamic Sharia which poses a credible threat to Christians because of it's nature, it's 1.5 billion adherents in the world, and it's non-geographical nature (Islam desires to submit the entire world to Allah as defined in Islamic Sharia).

Now this stands in contradiction to 13-14 million Jews worldwide (only about 1/2 whom practice Judaism) and Noahide Laws that aren't enforceable outside of Israel's Jewish jurisdiction.

You'd have to missing more than a few key wingnuts to put all your chips on the Jews taking over the world with the Noahide Laws and whacking off everyone's head to start with. But when you dismiss the actual Sharia threat staring you square in the face to do it... coo coo coo coo coo coo.
Gonna move this to the noahide thread for higher profile.....back in a bit bud.
 
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Lol.. all you do is engage in misdirection. GIVE ME THE MANY CREDIBLE VERIFIABLE SOURCES YOU PROMISED PROVING A FEW JEWS ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD USING THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND CUT OFF EVERY CHRISTIAN'S HEAD.

You live in threads full of wild conspiracy theories without any credible proof. I have no interest in your fallicious arguments that tie wild global conspiracy theories to normal human events which don't prove them.

Fallicious reasoning, speculation, cut and paste jobs from whacko conspiracy websites, and your own threads full of more of the same don't count. They are a waste of time.

Give me real credible verifiable proof that proves the Jews are going to take over the world and whack off my head not paranoid delusions and false assertions constructed around everyday human events that don't prove anything.

Waiting...
 
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Martin Luther on his authority to add to Sacred Scripture to support

his doctrine of Faith Alone

"You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word

"alone" (which Luther added) is not in the text of Paul (Romans 3:28).

If your Papist makes such an unnecessary row about the word "alone,"

say right out to him: "Dr. Martin Luther will have it so," and I order

it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the

word "alone" is not in the Latin or the Greek text ... it shall remain in

my (sic) New Testament. All the Popish donkeys will not get it out."

Martin Luther -- source: John Stoddard, Rebuilding a Lost Faith

(Rockford, IL: TAN Books), 136-137.

Martin Luther added the word "alone" to

Romans 3:28, and "only" to Romans 4:16.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith alone [allein

durch den Glauben] apart from the deeds of the law. Rom. 3:28

Luther's German Bible

Therefore it is of faith only that it might be according to grace, so that

the promise might be sure to all the seed ... Rom. 4:16 Luther's

German Bible

versus James 2:24 NKJV You see then that a man is justified by works

and not by faith only.

In Erie PA USA September 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington, B.A.
Revelation 22;19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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Revelation 22;19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Dear wood:
This Scripture also says, Revelation22:18, For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;"

Not only should we not add too, or take away from, anything in the Book of Revelation. We should not add to, or take away from, any thing in any or all of the other Scriptures in the Holy Book of the Holy Bible.
In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington