I was obvious with answer.
We are saved by faith, so yes.
Thanks for being honest as well.
The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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We are saved by faith, so yes.
Thanks for being honest as well.
You too are rather dodgy.
I also believe we are saved by faith but that was not the question.
You are clearly dodging the definitive in the issue. This is dishonest.
I will ask the question again.
Do you believe in faith alone regeneration?
Do you believe believe that regeneration happens at some moment in time because of faith alone?
Do not convolute the moment with such issues as degree of faith, faith rightly understood or object of faith.
You can constitute faith as you wish but is that faith the moment alone that brings the remission of sins and the Gift of the Holy Spirit?
Yes or No.
Wow you need to chill, you are quite aggressive.
I made it clear.
We are saved by faith only.
Please clarify or present your question on a different way.
I obviously don’t understand what you mean or are getting at with your question.
Please do so then I can answer.
ps don’t ever accuse me of being dishonest again.
Ta
We cannot be saved unless our sins have been remissed (forgiven) and that only happens when we are baptised.
Is that what you are saying?
if we die before baptism then our sins are not forgiven, therefore not saved?
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The second clause clarifies the first and if he who believes will be saved, then he who believes and is baptized, will be saved as well but it's still the lack of belief that causes condemnation, and not the lack of baptism. For you to teach otherwise, is both dishonest and willful.
I find it difficult to communicate with anyone who has an obvious agenda that calls everyone who disagrees with their theology liars.
Let's see what Jesus said.
John 16:7-9
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
Jesus said the Holy Spirit comes to convict people who do not believe in him.
The sin is not being baptized for the remission/forgiveness of sins.
The sin is rejecting who Jesus is and what he has done for us.
As Paul states
Romans 10:8-11
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
It clearly states we are saved by our faith in Jesus.
We all have agendas, some are honest about them and others hide them.
Which one are you?
Have you truly not read my responses to you from earlier from be post you made Calli f me dishonest and me asking you for more clarification?
Seems not.
You truly didn't read what Jesus said and what Paul proclaimed.
You are so fixated and have a hatred for those who know that it's faith (genuine) that saves that you attack and accuse and slander them.
Just like the Pharisees did.
There are people on this thread who say unless you speak in tongues you are not saved. Are you one of them as well?
If not go attack them as well.
Get your teeth into another pet hate.
@TrustandObey asks.
Do you believe in faith alone regeneration?
I asked him can you clarify this and he accuses me of dishonest when I told him it's faith that saves.
See post 1863 and the few posts after up to this one.
Anyway anyone got any idea what he is getting at?
Ta
Do you believe in faith alone regeneration?
I asked him can you clarify this and he accuses me of dishonest when I told him it's faith that saves.
See post 1863 and the few posts after up to this one.
Anyway anyone got any idea what he is getting at?
Ta
There's an argument against Jesus' Godhood because He asked the rhetorical question
The verse often used in argument against Jesus' Godhood is that where Jesus employs the rhetorical question, "Why do you call Me good, only God is good?" and "Can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized" cannot be disproved as another possible example of such a literary device.
My Mother was born into a "Jesus Name" family in 1918. They were Apalachin Pentecostal. The women also practiced "The Holiness" Doctrine. No Hair Cuts for women and hair must be worn in a "Holy Bun" on top of the Head. I didnt pay attention growing up, but learned about it after getting saved. Strange Stuff.
Your statement that the thief was baptized into Jesus when he said remember me is not accurate according to scripture. As mentioned in the previous post, scripture reveals being baptized in the name of Jesus is a reference to water baptism.
Biblical principles are always confirmed by 2-3 witnesses/scripture references. (Matt. 18:16 and 2 Cor. 13:1) And the truth concerning what it means to be baptized in the name of Jesus far exceeds that mandate.
Acts 2:36-42
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(Note the people were not baptized in the name of Jesus at the point of belief. Upon questioning what they must do they were instructed to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin.)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (confirmation that sin is dealt with upon obedience to God's command of water baptism) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
(this verse reveals those who believe in Jesus receive remission of sin. How? Through His name. Verses 47-48 below record when this became a reality for those involved)
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 11:13-14
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. (Peter commanded water baptism in the name of the Lord)
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. (Again, confirmation that sin is dealt with upon obedience to God's command of water baptism)
Colossians 2:9-12
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, (confirmation that sin is dealt with upon obedience to God's command of water baptism)
wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Romans 6:3-6
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, (confirmation that sin is dealt with upon obedience to God's command of water baptism) that henceforth we should not serve sin.
No, no, Cameron, the baby made a decision through it's own reasoning power and free will;
they chose their birth time, just as they chose to be conceived in the first place! .
