So I am debating a Catholic on salvation and works....

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes this is very true Jesus even said people would hate us for his sake and I have certainly seen this to be true I remember when there was this user that was on here who is banned now and he would always come after me claiming I was cursed with evil spirits or saying that the reason my life is in shambles is because of my sin he even went so far as to make a video of him saying all this to me

Yep he sounds , well…. like a nut , to me . There’s a few of those out there who read the Bible also

ive talked with people who use scripture to provide “ proof “ of aliens , once talked with a homeless man who claimed he was Gabriel the arch angel in the flesh . He could quote the bible like no one I’ve ever met , but also he would often be seen cussing out people who were just walking by and found drinking and drunk on the corner . Another guy as we discussed started throwing punches haha so I can testify bout those nuts

The less offense we learn take the less people want to offend us

 

[Blain]

Yep he sounds , well…. like a nut , to me . There’s a few of those out there who read the Bible also

ive talked with people who use scripture to provide “ proof “ of aliens , once talked with a homeless man who claimed he was Gabriel the arch angel in the flesh . He could quote the bible like no one I’ve ever met , but also he would often be seen cussing out people who were just walking by and found drinking and drunk on the corner . Another guy as we discussed started throwing punches haha so I can testify bout those nuts

Yep they are out there all right and this is just the state of the world at play along with the occasional mental health finding it's roots in the formula

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yep they are out there all right and this is just the state of the world at play along with the occasional mental health finding it's roots in the formula

Amen

 

[Jordon]

Yes …. His Will is well expressed to all mankind in the gospel , so we can hear believe and follow him . Until a “ natural “ man hears the gospel he wouldn’t be able to do any of it but when a person hears the gospel then they can either believe it or reject it . If they accept it then they’ll be “ born again “ of the spirit . But they too like every human is born naturally and needs to be born again by receiving the gospel , willingly

Yes of course there is no doubt all will receive the gospel, and examination, but not all will willingly accept it that much is clear from scripture, I think the question at hand here was can they lose that precious gift.

I realise this discussion needs to be discussed, but I truly believe there's not enough sufficient text proof to confirm this outcome.

I don't think it would wise for anyone to lean on that understanding.

It's not easy to willingly accept it, all would be saved if that was so ,

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes of course there is no doubt all will receive the gospel, and examination, but not all will willingly accept it that much is clear from scripture, I think the question at hand here was can they lose that precious gift.

I realise this discussion needs to be discussed, but I truly believe there's not enough sufficient text proof to confirm this outcome.

I don't think it would wise for anyone to lean on that understanding.

It's not easy to willingly accept it, all would be saved if that was so ,

Yeah what I’m saying is those who do willingly accept it will be saved and those who reject it will be damned . I’m saying the choice to accept it or reject it belongs to the person hearing it . It seems like a wise position

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. ( the audience )

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s sent to all some Will hear the message and they will believe , others won’t believe when they hear it but anyone is able to hear and respond. The outcome will be how they respond because the gospel can save anyone of course many won’t come to Jesus because they love thoer sin too much

“This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

If I love my sinful life and hear Jesus talking about repentance and giving it up it’s not going to beckon me . If I know and acknowledge I’m a sinner but I want to be free and walk with God in his ways the gospel will beckon me close .

If we love sin we’re not going to accept the gospel because it’s about repentance and remission of sins .

 

[Jordon]

Yeah what I’m saying is those who do willingly accept it will be saved and those who reject it will be damned . I’m saying the choice to accept it or reject it belongs to the person hearing it . It seems like a wise position

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. ( the audience )

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s sent to all some Will hear the message and they will believe , others won’t believe when they hear it but anyone is able to hear and respond. The outcome will be how they respond because the gospel can save anyone of course many won’t come to Jesus because they love thoer sin too much

“This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

If I love my sinful life and hear Jesus talking about repentance and giving it up it’s not going to beckon me . If I know and acknowledge I’m a sinner but I want to be free and walk with God in his ways the gospel will beckon me close .

If we love sin we’re not going to accept the gospel because it’s about repentance and remission of sins .

I agree whole heartedly thanks for sharing.

Bye for now

 

[homwardbound]

Correct....but the older son refused to enjoy it or have anything to do with the wealth because of his unforgiving heart.
That's the focus....that's the meaning.

Yes, Jealousy, how many others have this same attitude, yet Father tells us in the Holy Spirit, all that is mine is yours. Equality from Daddy through Son (The Fatted Calf), amazing grace is it not?
Not to be taken for granted either. The allegory is the entirety of our first born flesh nature under evil rule presently at first birth, having the knowledge of good and evil selfishly. to leave truth behind over error here on earth first and learn new, not be anyone better than anyone else you think?
Both children were selfish, Learn mercy over sacrifice, Luke 18:9-14. before the cross these scriptures above, not done in Son presently and forever.
We are now presently after the cross in the risen Son given us to love all in mercy and truth to all, the same as is done by Son. Anyone in your life you need to forgive, or get forgiven from? We all have done at least one wrong, whether feel justified or not. Repent as in Luke 18, 9-14, the second person in that parable, that asked, in need for what is now given, not yet done at the time it was stated by Luke, what was happening then. Still going on today, therefore 1 John 2:1-27 is in play for me at least thanks for posting truth as we grow new daily, at least me thank you JohnDB

 

[homwardbound]

But the unforgiving heart is what keeps you from enjoying the blessings of being a believer....

Your "work" is inconsequential towards your salvation. Justification is provided by Jesus. Sanctification (works) do nothing to gain salvation. Never have or will. You do them because you are a part of the family....just like the prodigal son would now that he has returned.

Yes, works are a response to God's done work of Son for them.
I can show my works done through by belief Faith in God given me. I assuredly can try to show my works and others believe me using God as I got it, which is evil hiding in sheep's clothing, to control the crowd in religion, happening all over the world presently in religions

Yet, I glory in them all why? Jesus Christ is being preached. God knows which are sincere and which are not, as God saw Saul of Tarsus sincere, just misled under Law, which changed, by God revealing himself to Saul, who became Paul to reveal the dispensation of grace to us all. Eph reveals this truth, God is in love to us all, has been since day one, still is and forever will be
Time to let go of religion, and become a responder to the love and mercy of God you think
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Includes those that have wronged you, yes, this terrible things done to you too
Amazing Grace is for us all y'all