God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

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Remember Our Lord Jesus fulfilled this law.
Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Everything he did it Spiritually and not literally.
ROMANS 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

And yet people crack open their wallets to place their primary giving into the passing plate at their churchianity organization, thinking that they are giving to God. The reality is that they are simply paying their dues because what they plop into the passing plate supports that from which they reap direct benefit. That's not giving, it's paying dues as they would in the local Moose Lodge.

And how to follow the Spiritual Tithes & Offerings was revealed by our Lord Jesus to his disciples alone and not to all the Jews.
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

You would have to expand upon your point here because it doesn't seem clear as to what you're saying. To relegate tithing into the spiritual realm, are you saying that it's no longer literally required? With that I will agree...if that's your point here.

Because the recognition of the Disciples to our Lord Jesus was a revelation from the Father
MATTHEW 16:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Even in our times today.
The meaning of Spiritual Tithes & Offerings was revealed only to those people whose recognition to Jesus is from the Father.

Have you heard a religious leaders saying it requires a miracle to know Jesus as what our Lord says in Matthew 16:15-17?

But it is the Truth. It takes a miracle from God the Father to know the real Jesus recognized by the Apostles.

Nope. Being indwelt by Holy Spirit naturally gives to us what one cannot glean by their own senses and intellect. The Lord called it a gift, not a miracle. Believing in Paul's Gospel in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 is all it takes to become baptized into the body of Christ and filled by Holy Spirit, who then gives to us understanding and knowledge (1 John 2:27).

So I welcome your clarifications.

Thanks

MM
 
And yet people crack open their wallets to place their primary giving into the passing plate at their churchianity organization, thinking that they are giving to God. The reality is that they are simply paying their dues because what they plop into the passing plate supports that from which they reap direct benefit. That's not giving, it's paying dues as they would in the local Moose Lodge.



You would have to expand upon your point here because it doesn't seem clear as to what you're saying. To relegate tithing into the spiritual realm, are you saying that it's no longer literally required? With that I will agree...if that's your point here.



Nope. Being indwelt by Holy Spirit naturally gives to us what one cannot glean by their own senses and intellect. The Lord called it a gift, not a miracle. Believing in Paul's Gospel in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 is all it takes to become baptized into the body of Christ and filled by Holy Spirit, who then gives to us understanding and knowledge (1 John 2:27).

So I welcome your clarifications.

Thanks

MM

First, who is the Holy Spirit?
 
That question doesn't follow from what I stated, so what's the relevance, besides turning it into some sort of trap door in relation to the answer you're looking for?

MM

Nope. Being indwelt by Holy Spirit naturally gives to us what one cannot glean by their own senses and intellect

It is important to know who the Holy Spirit is.

The word Holy Spirit is became a common expression of the denominations in Christianity today.

As what God the Father said. When Our Lord Jesus baptized by John the baptize, the holy ghost was descended from heaven.
This is what the different denominations in Christianity today each of them claim.

In 1 John 2:27 The Holy Ghost is the teacher.

But we can't deny that the different denominations in Christianity today have different teaching to the identity of Jesus Christ and different doctrines for salvation.

Who is the Holy Spirit that teaching them?

I'm sure it is not the Holy Spirit descended from heaven when Jesus baptized by John.

We must know or identify that Holy Spirit descended from heaven first so we can make sure that the teaching is truth.

If we can identify the Holy Spirit descended from heaven, then we can ask on how we fulfill the law in tithes & offerings.
 
If we can identify the Holy Spirit descended from heaven, then we can ask on how we fulfill the law in tithes & offerings.
We know from Scripture that there is no need to fulfill the law because the law is obsolete.

You don’t know Scripture well enough to understand that. Instead, you latch onto isolated verses and make them the foundation of your belief system.
 
Nope. Being indwelt by Holy Spirit naturally gives to us what one cannot glean by their own senses and intellect

It is important to know who the Holy Spirit is.

The word Holy Spirit is became a common expression of the denominations in Christianity today.

As what God the Father said. When Our Lord Jesus baptized by John the baptize, the holy ghost was descended from heaven.
This is what the different denominations in Christianity today each of them claim.

In 1 John 2:27 The Holy Ghost is the teacher.

But we can't deny that the different denominations in Christianity today have different teaching to the identity of Jesus Christ and different doctrines for salvation.

Who is the Holy Spirit that teaching them?

I'm sure it is not the Holy Spirit descended from heaven when Jesus baptized by John.

We must know or identify that Holy Spirit descended from heaven first so we can make sure that the teaching is truth.

If we can identify the Holy Spirit descended from heaven, then we can ask on how we fulfill the law in tithes & offerings.

When you speak of how we "fulfill the law in tithing," that's the problem. We are not commanded anywhere in scripture to do so. That was aimed at Israel. I am an Israeli, and I know the Law of Moses no longer applies to us today. Because Abraham chose to give to Melchizedek a tenth of the spoils of war that he was intentionally returning to the rightful owners, other than the portion for his fighting men, with his own personal wealth still located in northern Canaan so that he had nothing of all that wealth to give to Melchizedek, that is not reason to spiritualize the tithe as some sort of fulfillment for today.

If I may, this practice that I've seem among some hyper-charismatics who lean somewhat in the direction of legalism, my dealings with them have been pretty much along this line where they spiritualize their legalism to try and bolster their stance upon the alternative means for fulfillment of the Law. We are not called to do that. The believing Jews in Jerusalem were big on the Law of Moses, which Acts 15 gives ample evidence, but when we ignore the instruction to the Gentiles, which was a denial of any requirement for them to have to adhere to the Law of Moses, this spiritualization of the Law is troublesome. It tends to try and circumvent the determination that James himself issued as the decision point in that disturbance with the Judaizers.

You see, the Judaizers were not wrong in their beliefs about the Law of Moses in relation to them. Where they went wrong is thinking that they were authorized to enslave the Gentiles to that yoke, and this avenue of "spiritualizing" the Law of tithing, that has the distinct ring of some preacher who has influenced you into some odd departures from scripture in this push to try and "define" Holy Spirit.

People constantly refer to Holy Spirit as a thing rather than a Person. They love keeping their speech patterns along the lines of "THE Holy Spirit" and calling Holy Spirit an "it." To me, that's just wrong. You and I would not ever feel right about others referring to us as "it" or "the." We simply don't do that, right?

Anyway, Holy Spirit came down upon Christ in the FORM of a dove, which is an entire dissertation in itself, but etherealizing the nature and Person of Holy Spirit in an attempt at reinvigorating the Law of tithing, that's got the distinct aroma of some charismatic, legalistic preacher who who wants to leverage the word of God to his favor in acquiring wealth for himself and his churchianity organization that he has built up around himself as his pathetic little empire on some street corner.

So, what's the gist of your beef about this topic? If you choose to tithe because that's the measure and guide you choose for yourself, no problem. You are free to do so, for that's between you and the Lord. If you're teaching others on the basis of requirement laid upon them, that's where you're going astray as a departure from scripture and Holy Spirit. Emotions are a powerful force in many people, tricking themselves into thinking they're more spiritual than they really are. That's the beauty of the written word as an acid test and moderator to our emotions. Ignoring the written word for what it says, by spiritualizing it, that's the weaponry of vagabonds who love wrestling the word of God into saying what THEY want it to say. That's the fodder of whacko preachers of the charismatic stipe whose conscience has been seared so badly that they feel nothing of the prick to that scar tissue for them to return to letting the Lord lead as He will.

MM
 
In Man's clearly understanding to the words of God. Other commandments are obsolete.
Because Man doesn't believe that God the Father is Speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49) as the serpent belief (Genesis 3:4)

This is what God the Father said;
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

God the Father never change to his commandments:
MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Whom you believe?

Man said God is not Speaking in Parables as the serpent belief too? And so other commandments are obsolete?

Or God the Father said what he commanded in The Old & New Testaments are still his commandments in this generation and coming generations and he never changed?
 
In Man's clearly understanding to the words of God. Other commandments are obsolete.
Because Man doesn't believe that God the Father is Speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49) as the serpent belief (Genesis 3:4)

This is what God the Father said;
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

God the Father never change to his commandments:
MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Whom you believe?

Man said God is not Speaking in Parables as the serpent belief too? And so other commandments are obsolete?

Or God the Father said what he commanded in The Old & New Testaments are still his commandments in this generation and coming generations and he never changed?
Foolish arrogance. You are heading into the deep mud of confusion.
 
When you speak of how we "fulfill the law in tithing," that's the problem. We are not commanded anywhere in scripture to do so. That was aimed at Israel. I am an Israeli, and I know the Law of Moses no longer applies to us today. Because Abraham chose to give to Melchizedek a tenth of the spoils of war that he was intentionally returning to the rightful owners, other than the portion for his fighting men, with his own personal wealth still located in northern Canaan so that he had nothing of all that wealth to give to Melchizedek, that is not reason to spiritualize the tithe as some sort of fulfillment for today.

If I may, this practice that I've seem among some hyper-charismatics who lean somewhat in the direction of legalism, my dealings with them have been pretty much along this line where they spiritualize their legalism to try and bolster their stance upon the alternative means for fulfillment of the Law. We are not called to do that. The believing Jews in Jerusalem were big on the Law of Moses, which Acts 15 gives ample evidence, but when we ignore the instruction to the Gentiles, which was a denial of any requirement for them to have to adhere to the Law of Moses, this spiritualization of the Law is troublesome. It tends to try and circumvent the determination that James himself issued as the decision point in that disturbance with the Judaizers.

You see, the Judaizers were not wrong in their beliefs about the Law of Moses in relation to them. Where they went wrong is thinking that they were authorized to enslave the Gentiles to that yoke, and this avenue of "spiritualizing" the Law of tithing, that has the distinct ring of some preacher who has influenced you into some odd departures from scripture in this push to try and "define" Holy Spirit.

People constantly refer to Holy Spirit as a thing rather than a Person. They love keeping their speech patterns along the lines of "THE Holy Spirit" and calling Holy Spirit an "it." To me, that's just wrong. You and I would not ever feel right about others referring to us as "it" or "the." We simply don't do that, right?

Anyway, Holy Spirit came down upon Christ in the FORM of a dove, which is an entire dissertation in itself, but etherealizing the nature and Person of Holy Spirit in an attempt at reinvigorating the Law of tithing, that's got the distinct aroma of some charismatic, legalistic preacher who who wants to leverage the word of God to his favor in acquiring wealth for himself and his churchianity organization that he has built up around himself as his pathetic little empire on some street corner.

So, what's the gist of your beef about this topic? If you choose to tithe because that's the measure and guide you choose for yourself, no problem. You are free to do so, for that's between you and the Lord. If you're teaching others on the basis of requirement laid upon them, that's where you're going astray as a departure from scripture and Holy Spirit. Emotions are a powerful force in many people, tricking themselves into thinking they're more spiritual than they really are. That's the beauty of the written word as an acid test and moderator to our emotions. Ignoring the written word for what it says, by spiritualizing it, that's the weaponry of vagabonds who love wrestling the word of God into saying what THEY want it to say. That's the fodder of whacko preachers of the charismatic stipe whose conscience has been seared so badly that they feel nothing of the prick to that scar tissue for them to return to letting the Lord lead as He will.

MM

God the Father entrusted his words to Christianity today.

He expect believers to beg and ask Mercy to God because the commandments are in Parables.

But God requires a fulfillment of the Commandments according to God's revelation.
LUKE 11:28
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
 
God the Father entrusted his words to Christianity today.

He expect believers to beg and ask Mercy to God because the commandments are in Parables.

But God requires a fulfillment of the Commandments according to God's revelation.
LUKE 11:28
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

This seems convoluted. Would you mind unpacking this for us?

Also, where did Paul ever say that we are to beg for mercy? I can't find one verse in the Bible that contains "beg" and "mercy" in the same verse in the KJV.

Jesus, in Luke 11, was speaking to Israel, not Gentiles. Those people at the time Jesus spoke those words were not yet indwelt by Holy Spirit, so they were still bound to the letter, and it is written that the letter kills rather than to give life. Jesus also commanded a leper He had healed to go and offer up a sacrifice in accordance with the Law of Moses, and I don't recall you ever referring to that one, probably never have and likely never will given the modern bent upon carving up the word of God in the salad bowl of convenience. We've all done that before, so this isn't an indictment against you personally.

Rightly dividing the word of truth is so vastly important, and yet many seem to choose lazy indifference to doing just that. Not ALL of the Bible was written to us today. That you, like the rest of us, are wearing garments of mixed material fiber, that speaks loud volumes in itself of this fact, but the cherry picking of what one thinks he's authorized to lay upon another, that's where the problems begin. This is just common laziness among Evangelicals who only listen to their false teaching preachers who themselves also fail to rightly divide the word of truth along the lines where those divisions clearly belong.

MM
 
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God the Father entrusted his words to Christianity today.

He expect believers to beg and ask Mercy to God because the commandments are in Parables.
Firstly, God DID NOT entrust His words to "Christianity"; He entrusted His words to Christians. Again, learn proper English.

Secondly, one asks something from another, not to another. Please, put some effort into learning English if you are going to continue attempting to communicate in English.

Thirdly, the commandments ARE NOT in parables; rather, they are in clear, plain language.


But God requires a fulfillment of the Commandments according to God's revelation.
LUKE 11:28
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
The word of God is much more than the commandments. Most of the commandments are in the Law, which is obsolete because Jesus fulfilled it, making the commandments obsolete.
 
Firstly, God DID NOT entrust His words to "Christianity"; He entrusted His words to Christians. Again, learn proper English.

Secondly, one asks something from another, not to another. Please, put some effort into learning English if you are going to continue attempting to communicate in English.

Thirdly, the commandments ARE NOT in parables; rather, they are in clear, plain language.

The word of God is much more than the commandments. Most of the commandments are in the Law, which is obsolete because Jesus fulfilled it, making the commandments obsolete.

One clarification I'd like to offer is that the Law of Moses is not beholden unto us today, but it will once again become the foundation for Israel in the Millennium, with Israel ruling the world under the Kingship of Christ Jesus, as with a rod of iron. That is the nature of the Law with THE Divine Ruler over it.

It causes many Evangelicals to go into convulsive conniptions of mental brain flatulence to hear that Israel will once again be raised up to rule this earth during the Millennium and into the new world and new heavens, but it is what it is and will be what it will be because it will not be Gentiles who inhabit the New Jerusalem as the seat of the Government in that time to come. The nations of the earth in the new earth will inhabit...the new earth. As much of an obvious outcome that is, some today still fight against the obvious out there.

Just wanted to throw that into the mix. Thanks for your input.

MM
 
One clarification I'd like to offer is that the Law of Moses is not beholden unto us today, but it will once again become the foundation for Israel in the Millennium, with Israel ruling the world under the Kingship of Christ Jesus, as with a rod of iron. That is the nature of the Law with THE Divine Ruler over it.

It causes many Evangelicals to go into convulsive conniptions of mental brain flatulence to hear that Israel will once again be raised up to rule this earth during the Millennium and into the new world and new heavens, but it is what it is and will be what it will be because it will not be Gentiles who inhabit the New Jerusalem as the seat of the Government in that time to come. The nations of the earth in the new earth will inhabit...the new earth. As much of an obvious outcome that is, some today still fight against the obvious out there.

Just wanted to throw that into the mix. Thanks for your input.

MM

If we read the story of Moses and use our own intellect to understand it. It is not applicable in our generation today.
I you let God the Father to reveal the meaning. It will prove that his words never passed away (Matthew 24:35).

But God the Father will never reveal his words to anybody who is proclaiming that God the Father is speaking vey clear.
 
Foolish arrogance. You are heading into the deep mud of confusion.

To you I'm a foolish because I don't believe in your basis of Salvation.

That is fine with me as long as I'm not foolish in the eyes of God.
PSALMS 118:6-8
6 The Lord is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?
7 The Lord taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.
8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

But to God the Father, you are the foolish because you can't identify and you don't want to know who God the Father is.
JEREMIAH 4:22
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
 
If we read the story of Moses and use our own intellect to understand it. It is not applicable in our generation today.
I you let God the Father to reveal the meaning. It will prove that his words never passed away (Matthew 24:35).

But God the Father will never reveal his words to anybody who is proclaiming that God the Father is speaking vey clear.

There you go. Etherealizing by hyper-spiritualizing the word of God is just too easy to try and make it what YOU want it to say. If we can't trust the word of God for what it says by claiming there's a hidden message in it that can only be heard through the voice of God...come on! Leave that crap to the multi-millionaire, false teaching TV preachers who have so many people duped into giving them money those clowns aren't at all entitled!

I trust the word of God for what it says. The cultic god you're speaking about, who tricks the reader by slight-of-hand dishonesty by saying one thing but meaning something else...that's dangerous garbage best left to those who follow Anton Levey. Dredging up the hidden revelation in the words of Christ spoken to the Jewish leadership in order to hide wisdom from the wise, yes, but the Lord ensured it to be WRITTEN what was the hidden wisdom of meaning behind what was hidden from the wicked and evil Pharisees.

MM
 
If we read the story of Moses and use our own intellect to understand it. It is not applicable in our generation today.
I you let God the Father to reveal the meaning. It will prove that his words never passed away (Matthew 24:35).

But God the Father will never reveal his words to anybody who is proclaiming that God the Father is speaking vey clear.

Better yet, given that the Law defined the tithe as being a tenth of the increase of crops and livestock, show to us where the Lord allegedly inspired it to be written that any change has taken place in order to that Law to now apply to earned wages in the place of the increase of crops and livestock. Do you have a reference for that?

MM
 
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