So then you use Formula 1 to get to the finish line. Got it.
Let me ask. Are you by any chance an Apostolic believer or a part of the NAR?
I will keep you Guessing
That's childish
Healing from God
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So then you use Formula 1 to get to the finish line. Got it.
That's childish
I am asking YOU that question because it sounds very pretentious. REAL Christians are weary of the games and those who think they are a step above. I have come across many flavors of Christian and I have no need to look under the covers here.
and your tooooo Funny ----
Well you can think that AI gives artificial answers ---but I beg to differ ----
So for ME
Well if it was always the will of God to heal people then every request for healing would be granted and we would end up living for thousands of years never dying.. But people get sick and suffer infirmities and Everyone on this earth up until our times have all died.. So clearly the lived experience of humanity shows that it is not always Gods will to heal us..
Not much to add here for some already showed you OP were it is written OT NT healed. You know when Jesus said lay hands on the sick they shall recover? Well that word can mean right then right now yet it can and does also mean over time. Over time you will be 100% healed. Faith...if someone has faith the size of a mustard seed one of the smallest seeds you can tell that MTN to move it would have to obey you. Faith we all have faith but we have to work it like you work on in the gym and that right there most do not do this 
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I don't share this... a few years ago.. went to the doctor my side was hurting when I walked he found 5 stones that had to have the machine sound to crush them. So put a tube in for two months then go back and "lets just leave the tube in" four months later go to get tube out.. sorry so sorry .. old school here and... so nurse says this is the easiest part. Well seem the tube some how attached to me and can't tell you how much that hurt.. I was shacking so much after.. the nurse would not look at me again bless her she felt so bad. The Doc says "how much flow max do you have left" haha really? You never gave me any. I was like .. this is no exaggeration like so many tons of glass when you go the bathroom.
See having some chest pain where later more then one Doc says it looks like you had a major heart attack. Oh I remember that day. Slammed up against the wall but no doubt no fear no worry.. that was great pain.. at one point it was like someone pushed the pain from my chest to my back.. oh man did my back hurt so bad then back to my Chest. But i know His word and this is not something for me I learned over night. I walked by what HE said no matter what I see or feel. I doubted with the stones.. so I run to the doctor. He said.. if you doubt let not that man think he will get any thing from God. We all doubt.. but you stop it ..and NO He said.. you keep reading His word until you believe it. The enemy comes right in to steal it.
So all this to say.. this is so hard. So about 3y later this year. Doc back then said there were two small stones left that "should" come out. Oh he felt so bad.. gave me no lie all the flow max I wanted.... 30+30 days.. like that. So this year man this.. the song now God Did it.. How do you say something. Lets say I was watering the grass and out of now here it just stops. You can see this huge (forgive me sorry) huge rock ..its two big to come out. Sorry.. so you go get some pointed Pliers and .. so sorry.
See with this 3 years before I knew a man Richard Roberts knows faith and healing. I do not watch or listen to him but he knows faith. He talked with me.. one of the few that will. On this I had faith with him.. praying if two shall agree YES AMEN! 100% faith in that! I don't care how long.. yes doubt comes but I don't let it set up house to set root in me! I speak His word. I am not moved by what I feel or see I walk by faith. Oh yes I have so many stories where "GOD DID IT" where always points to Him back up by His word.
It is a truth.. you don't have any problems all you need is faith in GOD! Like working in a gym but you know most don't go to the gym. Have to work your faith.. That seed... if we had just a seed..we all have faith but.. just a seed. Not coming back to this.. not shy but.. just not a story I have ever told that know me other then kids and wife haha. But.. lay hands on the sick they shall recover means right then right now and also means over time. But its 100% shall recover.
.I don't share this... a few years ago.. went to the doctor my side was hurting when I walked he found 5 stones that had to have the machine sound to crush them. So put a tube in for two months then go back and "lets just leave the tube in" four months later go to get tube out.. sorry so sorry .. old school here and... so nurse says this is the easiest part. Well seem the tube some how attached to me and can't tell you how much that hurt.. I was shacking so much after.. the nurse would not look at me again bless her she felt so bad. The Doc says "how much flow max do you have left" haha really? You never gave me any. I was like .. this is no exaggeration like so many tons of glass when you go the bathroom.
See having some chest pain where later more then one Doc says it looks like you had a major heart attack. Oh I remember that day. Slammed up against the wall but no doubt no fear no worry.. that was great pain.. at one point it was like someone pushed the pain from my chest to my back.. oh man did my back hurt so bad then back to my Chest. But i know His word and this is not something for me I learned over night. I walked by what HE said no matter what I see or feel. I doubted with the stones.. so I run to the doctor. He said.. if you doubt let not that man think he will get any thing from God. We all doubt.. but you stop it ..and NO He said.. you keep reading His word until you believe it. The enemy comes right in to steal it.
So all this to say.. this is so hard. So about 3y later this year. Doc back then said there were two small stones left that "should" come out. Oh he felt so bad.. gave me no lie all the flow max I wanted.... 30+30 days.. like that. So this year man this.. the song now God Did it.. How do you say something. Lets say I was watering the grass and out of now here it just stops. You can see this huge (forgive me sorry) huge rock ..its two big to come out. Sorry.. so you go get some pointed Pliers and .. so sorry.
See with this 3 years before I knew a man Richard Roberts knows faith and healing. I do not watch or listen to him but he knows faith. He talked with me.. one of the few that will. On this I had faith with him.. praying if two shall agree YES AMEN! 100% faith in that! I don't care how long.. yes doubt comes but I don't let it set up house to set root in me! I speak His word. I am not moved by what I feel or see I walk by faith. Oh yes I have so many stories where "GOD DID IT" where always points to Him back up by His word.
It is a truth.. you don't have any problems all you need is faith in GOD! Like working in a gym but you know most don't go to the gym. Have to work your faith.. That seed... if we had just a seed..we all have faith but.. just a seed. Not coming back to this.. not shy but.. just not a story I have ever told that know me other then kids and wife haha. But.. lay hands on the sick they shall recover means right then right now and also means over time. But its 100% shall recover.
Sickness and disease was taken by Jesus on the cross --and scripture says so ---so your either believe the scriptures or you don't ---you can't believe some scriptures and discard others -----as all Scripture is God inspired and that is Scriptural ----
Sickness and disease today is caused by stress ---anxiety --doubt ---unbelief and fear etc that we allow to infiltrate our body --mind and spirit ------
Inner Peace in your Body --Mind and Spirit brings health ----to your whole body -------
Psalm 41:3:
The Lord sustains him on his sickbed; in his illness you restore him to full health.
Proverbs 17:22:
A joyful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.
Jeremiah 33:6
"Nevertheless, I will bring health and healing to it; I will heal my people and will let them enjoy ndant peace and security." ~
I say -----I WII ----here is a Promise ---FOLKS ===you either believe it or you don't ---
Proverbs 4:20-22
"My son, pay attention to what I say; turn your ear to my words.
Do not let them out of your sight,
keep them within your heart;
for they are life to those who find them and health to one’s whole body."
I say
INNER Peace Folks bring health to all your body and bones ---stress today kills you ------you either believe this or you don't ---
It says --------------turn your ear to my words.----
-who is the Word FOLKs ----Jesus -----
So Jesus is the one doing the Healing here ----as He is the Word ------
All believers can be healed today ------by doing what the Scriptures tell them to do to keep your inner peace and not allow the Cares of life to infiltrate their lives -------
Jesus is the great Physician today still--------- AS ----- He was when He walked this earth -----
JEHOVAH RAPHA -------the one who Heals both Physically and Spiritually His Children ------
Amplified Bible
And Jesus replied to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but [only] those who are sick.
Matthew 8:17
New Living Translation
This fulfilled the word of the Lord through the prophet Isaiah, who said, “He took our sicknesses and removed our diseases.”
I say ---what is it that makes People---------------- NOT BELIEVE WHAT THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS _______
IT BLOWS MY MIND ----that People say --OH --I believe this Scripture but Not This Scripture ------well Folks -
--Jesus said -___YOUR EITHER WITH ME OR AGAINST ME -------there is no inbetween -----you either believe all of God's word ----WHO IS JESUS ----or you believe NONE of IT -----God said ----MY WORD IS TRUTH -----and GOD INSPIRED every WORD
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS ??????????????????
I think it is God's will for us to be healthy etc but the farther we go from the garden, the worse things get. God's will is also for us to be conformed to the image of His Son but we often resist. There is a principal in physics that plays into this. Without getting complicated about it, it can be summed up simply as each side resisting the other = force. Paul actually writes about it when he says the following:
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. Romans 7:15 He is talking about the law and saying it is spiritual. Our spirits are renewed in Christ but we are still physical in a physical world and these are the forces working against each other. God's will is perfect and He see us as perfect in His Son; we do not see ourselves that way but understand by faith that we are now acceptable to God because of all Jesus has done for us.
I hope that makes sense. What I am trying to say is God's actions toward us are always loving but we don't always receive them. Therefore I can say it is His will to heal but we are not always healed. The place inbetween two forces (our flesh and God's Spirit) is called 'tension'. That tension is the battle between our nature and God's perfection and His desire towards us.
Another example:
It is God's will that everyone would be saved but we know that everyone will not accept Christ.
Not much to add here for some already showed you OP were it is written OT NT healed. You know when Jesus said lay hands on the sick they shall recover? Well that word can mean right then right now yet it can and does also mean over time. Over time you will be 100% healed. Faith...if someone has faith the size of a mustard seed one of the smallest seeds you can tell that MTN to move it would have to obey you. Faith we all have faith but we have to work it like you work on in the gym and that right there most do not do this
I don't share this... a few years ago.. went to the doctor my side was hurting when I walked he found 5 stones that had to have the machine sound to crush them. So put a tube in for two months then go back and "lets just leave the tube in" four months later go to get tube out.. sorry so sorry .. old school here and... so nurse says this is the easiest part. Well seem the tube some how attached to me and can't tell you how much that hurt.. I was shacking so much after.. the nurse would not look at me again bless her she felt so bad. The Doc says "how much flow max do you have left" haha really? You never gave me any. I was like .. this is no exaggeration like so many tons of glass when you go the bathroom.
See having some chest pain where later more then one Doc says it looks like you had a major heart attack. Oh I remember that day. Slammed up against the wall but no doubt no fear no worry.. that was great pain.. at one point it was like someone pushed the pain from my chest to my back.. oh man did my back hurt so bad then back to my Chest. But i know His word and this is not something for me I learned over night. I walked by what HE said no matter what I see or feel. I doubted with the stones.. so I run to the doctor. He said.. if you doubt let not that man think he will get any thing from God. We all doubt.. but you stop it ..and NO He said.. you keep reading His word until you believe it. The enemy comes right in to steal it.
So all this to say.. this is so hard. So about 3y later this year. Doc back then said there were two small stones left that "should" come out. Oh he felt so bad.. gave me no lie all the flow max I wanted.... 30+30 days.. like that. So this year man this.. the song now God Did it.. How do you say something. Lets say I was watering the grass and out of now here it just stops. You can see this huge (forgive me sorry) huge rock ..its two big to come out. Sorry.. so you go get some pointed Pliers and .. so sorry.
See with this 3 years before I knew a man Richard Roberts knows faith and healing. I do not watch or listen to him but he knows faith. He talked with me.. one of the few that will. On this I had faith with him.. praying if two shall agree YES AMEN! 100% faith in that! I don't care how long.. yes doubt comes but I don't let it set up house to set root in me! I speak His word. I am not moved by what I feel or see I walk by faith. Oh yes I have so many stories where "GOD DID IT" where always points to Him back up by His word.
It is a truth.. you don't have any problems all you need is faith in GOD! Like working in a gym but you know most don't go to the gym. Have to work your faith.. That seed... if we had just a seed..we all have faith but.. just a seed. Not coming back to this.. not shy but.. just not a story I have ever told that know me other then kids and wife haha. But.. lay hands on the sick they shall recover means right then right now and also means over time. But its 100% shall recover.
So very much we do not understand on this earth. One day we will know even as we are now known. I have done things by saying I am 'doing it in Jesus name' because there was no other way. My faith is imperfect yet I believe in God and I do not think I could not believe in God.
Thank you for all you said.
Since, not revealed to you, God has not done that for you yet in you, love you in Mercy and Truth, the same as God loves us all through Son
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Thank you Father for leveling the playing field
Your post might be clear to you, but the fact I do not undestand it and ask for clarification does not mean God has hidden whatever it is you are saying from me. Honestly, if you have something you want to say, say it but don't come back with you have hidden knowledge of some sort. Bring it to the light and be forthcoming.
So when someone dies on their bed repeating all those scriptures and believing to the point they will not allow any intervention to save their life, you just what? When someone is ill and nothing can be found that is the cause and people pray and fast and still there is debilitating sickness so finally doctors are consulted and then the cure begins; that is what? lack of faith? see, people who shove scripture at others and basically accuse them of not believing seem to think it's all sewn up and give no regard for those who do it all but do not receive what they have been promised by those with 'all the answers'
Your attitude and sarcasim says more than any verses you may think to quote.
and your unbelieving and critical attitude towards other ----is appalling ---go read your OP Post and many others of your posts here you criticize and deem yourself the right to tell other how they should post and not to post this and that --etc -----you should be ashamed of yourself ----everyone should be able to post what they feel --and you squash that ----your feeding your EGO my Friend --your not feeding God's word here -----
I had gotten sick before but God warned me beforehand I was going to go through a trial. That trial came through in the form of sickness where I had to go the hospital several times within six months and actually got admitted twice to stay for several days each stay. Because God warned me beforehand of this trial I felt calm because I know I was still completely in God's will. It's not to say that this period of time was easy. It wasn't. But God got me through it. I think the trial was an opportunity to practice endurance and trust in God during stressful times - sometimes there's no other way to practice what God is teaching.
Because God said this was a trial, I didn't really pray for healing. I was just attentive to what God was doing in my life because I didn't know what to expect. What am I suppose learn from this if I don't die? So for this trial, it was stressful, but emotionally and mentally I had grown to really trust God to help me in those areas because I wasn't fearful or feeling hopeless. Death doesn't scare me.
This trial also showed me how much God loved me - so much more than anyone else does. It just really strengthen my walk with Him.
Concerning sickness in other people, I don't have anyone close with long drawn out illnesses, but I'm watching my parents very closely. When they retired, they said that they didn't want to live in a home for seniors or assisted living....looking at us, their children, with puppy-dog eyes. My brother and I ended up living with them to help take care of their needs. So far, all has been good and I'm so grateful that God is taking such good care of them. My Mom got saved and we're both praying and working to bring the gospel to everyone else who hasn't got saved yet.
Faith does not deny reality
I understand what you are saying here. I have also experienced things wherein circumstances seemed really bad but I had peace about it and was not at all worried. In fact I had a hospital experience too and the last night in my room, I remember raising my hands up to God and thanking Him for His peace and that everything had been settled. You can't make up things like that as we have His peace which is, as scripture states, not like the world gives.
I appreciate what you said and the fact that in all our different experiences, we can attest to knowing God is with us as we keep our eyes on Him. I don't mean that to sound trite, but I don't know how people make it in this world without Him
I had gotten sick before but God warned me beforehand I was going to go through a trial. That trial came through in the form of sickness where I had to go the hospital several times within six months and actually got admitted twice to stay for several days each stay. Because God warned me beforehand of this trial I felt calm because I know I was still completely in God's will. It's not to say that this period of time was easy. It wasn't. But God got me through it. I think the trial was an opportunity to practice endurance and trust in God during stressful times - sometimes there's no other way to practice what God is teaching.
Because God said this was a trial, I didn't really pray for healing. I was just attentive to what God was doing in my life because I didn't know what to expect. What am I suppose learn from this if I don't die? So for this trial, it was stressful, but emotionally and mentally I had grown to really trust God to help me in those areas because I wasn't fearful or feeling hopeless. Death doesn't scare me.
This trial also showed me how much God loved me - so much more than anyone else does. It just really strengthen my walk with Him.
Concerning sickness in other people, I don't have anyone close with long drawn out illnesses, but I'm watching my parents very closely. When they retired, they said that they didn't want to live in a home for seniors or assisted living....looking at us, their children, with puppy-dog eyes. My brother and I ended up living with them to help take care of their needs. So far, all has been good and I'm so grateful that God is taking such good care of them. My Mom got saved and we're both praying and working to bring the gospel to everyone else who hasn't got saved yet.
I understand what you are saying here. I have also experienced things wherein circumstances seemed really bad but I had peace about it and was not at all worried. In fact I had a hospital experience too and the last night in my room, I remember raising my hands up to God and thanking Him for His peace and that everything had been settled. You can't make up things like that as we have His peace which is, as scripture states, not like the world gives.
I appreciate what you said and the fact that in all our different experiences, we can attest to knowing God is with us as we keep our eyes on Him. I don't mean that to sound trite, but I don't know how people make it in this world without Him
So, sorry, I never meant this as you interpreted it, I know nothing of myself, Father knows all
The best I can say is "God loves us all" otherwise Son would not have ever gone to the cross willingly. He would have fought as flesh does that. He did not. That be my example I have got in my walk and am no better than anyone else ever seeing Luke 18:9-14 Justified in forgiveness given only by God through Son as risen
Love to you, I am no better than anyone else ever
I think there are times he purposely does not heal, my eyes for instance been trying to heal them for eight years now never once were my prayers for healing answered but I did say to him before I lost my eye sight that I would give up these eyes if it meant I could see with his.
So perhaps he purposely hasn't healed my eyes because he wants me to learn to see with his not mine. now for someone with cancer in need of healing and is not healed only God knows why he would allow for such a thing to persist but it could be that it only takes one dedicated person to pray for the healing
So perhaps he purposely hasn't healed my eyes because he wants me to learn to see with his not mine. now for someone with cancer in need of healing and is not healed only God knows why he would allow for such a thing to persist but it could be that it only takes one dedicated person to pray for the healing
the mysterious ways of Dad, PaPa, Father in risen Son Jesus, we are made new by belief to his love and mercy for us all. Some heal, others do not, physically, does it matter? Really
A short while here; a life time eternally there, wow, woe is me, I accept you Father in thanksgiving and praise, forever, I thank you lord for Son, that no one deserves to ever been given new life in you, ever!
A short time here, compared to eternity is worth it, to me thank you
Under Law to get in, I would be a torso, no legs, no arms, no eyes to see, because as Jesus said
It is better for part of one, anyone to be maimed here first, than to loose eternity in Heaven under Law
Annihilation, as he said, if you even have lust in your eye, gouge it out, better for part of you to enter Heaven eternally, than all of you go to hell eternally