How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?

[TruthDefender]

FYI:
“For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7‬:‭28‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Ouch]

Pastor Kilgore is UPC, why would we expect anything less from a Oneness type

How many GOD'S do you think there are?

 

[Godsgood]

Some examples are Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah. They are prophets because God prophesies through them.

The prophesies of God the Father was given to his Chosen in the Old Testament.
So all chosen of God in the Old Testament are considered Prophets. It starts to Abraham and all seeds of Abraham.

Although there were chosen of God in the Old & New Testaments but those chosen in the Old Testament called them Prophets to specify that they are chosen of God from the Old Testament.

So Scribes & Pharisees claimed in front of Jesus that they are seeds of Abraham.
They considered themselves as a replacement of the Prophets in the Old Testament.
But to Lord Jesus, Scribes & Pharisees are not Prophets of God but a False Prophets.
JOHN 8:39
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

 

[Wansvic]

Pastor Kilgore is UPC, why would we expect anything less from a Oneness type

Interesting you are more focused on the person who compiled the scriptures than what the actual scriptures reveal. I could understand opposition if in fact the scriptures said something other than what the chart points out. And that is not the case, and is easily confirmed by those willing to act as the Bereans.


"These were more noble (the Bereans) than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people." Acts 17

 

[Wansvic]

-""But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Mark 13:32 NKJV [Indicating 2]

So by your reasoning, if there is only One, how is it that the Son doesn’t know this information— when the last Day is?

I don't profess to understand everything. But I do understand that Jesus was fully man and fully God. I believe that reality is the answer as to why some scriptures seem to contradict one another when they actually don't; ie, some relate to His humanity, while others pertain to His divinity. I refuse to fall into the trap of accepting some scriptures and rejecting others. I accept all by faith.

 

[TruthDefender]

I don't profess to understand everything. But I do understand that Jesus was fully man and fully God. I believe that reality is the answer as to why some scriptures seem to contradict one another when they actually don't; ie, some relate to His humanity, while others pertain to His divinity. I refuse to fall into the trap of accepting some scriptures and rejecting others. I accept all by faith.

As do I! I don’t believe Scripture contradicts itself, which is so amazing in itself! We just have to learn to read better.

I don’t believe in man-made doctrines taught by men, I believe in the Word of God, Scripture. People learn hammy down doctrines of men, we get complacent, get stuck in a ditch, say things that aren’t scriptural.

We should all be like the noble Bereans, study to see if what is being taught aligns with Scripture. If everyone did this maybe there would be only one type of church; as it should be!!

 

[TruthDefender]

How many GOD'S do you think there are?

-"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, "You are gods" ’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?"
John 10:34-36 NKJV

-"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many Lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live."
I Corinthians 8:5-6 NKJV

 

[Dino246]

The prophesies of God the Father was given to his Chosen in the Old Testament.
So all chosen of God in the Old Testament are considered Prophets. It starts to Abraham and all seeds of Abraham.

Your logic is flawed.

If we apply the same poor reasoning, we could have a scenario like this:

"God gave dogs four legs, therefore all four-legged animals are dogs".

In the case of prophets, yes, all genuine prophets are "chosen of God" but not all "chosen of God" are prophets. Some are kings, some are judges, some are patriarchs, and most are simple people living quiet lives.

Although there were chosen of God in the Old & New Testaments but those chosen in the Old Testament called them Prophets to specify that they are chosen of God from the Old Testament.

Your English is failing you. You would do well to learn verb conjugation and syntax. Also, it is rare that "although" and "but" belong in the same sentence.

So Scribes & Pharisees claimed in front of Jesus that they are seeds of Abraham.
They considered themselves as a replacement of the Prophets in the Old Testament.

No, they did not. They were wise enough to avoid claiming to be prophets, and they did not claim anywhere that they were the replacement of the OT prophets. Once again you are adding to Scripture. They claimed to be children of Abraham.

But to Lord Jesus, Scribes & Pharisees are not Prophets of God but a False Prophets.
JOHN 8:39
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Just because someone is in the wrong doesn't mean that person is a "false prophet". You are often wrong, but as you don't claim to be a prophet, you aren't a "false prophet". I have told you before, but you resist learning; the scribes and Pharisees were were false teachers.

 

[Ouch]

-"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, "You are gods" ’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?"
John 10:34-36 NKJV

-"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many Lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live."
I Corinthians 8:5-6 NKJV

Did you notice I was making a comment that the person made about so called oneness?

I think I can assume he believes in the trinty were there are three GOD'S

So to reply to you did that answer the question?

How many GOD'S do you think there are?

Then of cours I was going to ask those 3 GOD'S names.

This I know, GOD is spirit, the Holy Ghost is spirit and JESUS was a human and GOD in the flesh so he was man and spirit.

 

[Dino246]

Did you notice I was making a comment that the person made about so called oneness?

I think I can assume he believes in the trinty were there are three GOD'S

So to reply to you did that answer the question?

How many GOD'S do you think there are?

Then of cours I was going to ask those 3 GOD'S names.

This I know, GOD is spirit, the Holy Ghost is spirit and JESUS was a human and GOD in the flesh so he was man and spirit.

I decided not to address your earlier misuse of the apostrophe, but the stickler in me is restless.

For a plural, do not use the apostrophe. One God, multiple gods. No apostrophe.

You might try proofreading too....

 

[TruthDefender]

Did you notice I was making a comment that the person made about so called oneness?

I think I can assume he believes in the trinty were there are three GOD'S

So to reply to you did that answer the question?

How many GOD'S do you think there are?

Then of cours I was going to ask those 3 GOD'S names.

This I know, GOD is spirit, the Holy Ghost is spirit and JESUS was a human and GOD in the flesh so he was man and spirit.

The Trinity, all 3 agree as one. Emphasizing the Trinity is good enough; it seems many Christian’s have a hard time with this. And yes, Jesus is God who came in the flesh, born miraculously through Mary (His Eema).

I used the verse above so people would see that God called us gods…. Interesting? However, we know that there is only one God who created all things through Jesus Christ. God of gods, and Lord of lords.

 

[Dino246]

I used the verse above so people would see that God called us gods.

Actually, He didn't. He called "gods" the other divine entities who had abdicated their God-given responsibilities. If you read the whole of Psalm 82 (which Jesus cited) you'll see that God is not talking to humans here.

 

[TruthDefender]

Actually, He didn't. He called "gods" the other divine entities who had abdicated their God-given responsibilities. If you read the whole of Psalm 82 (which Jesus cited) you'll see that God is not talking to humans here.

Yes, I did see that; I actually thought that was interesting too. Thank you!
In hind sight, this was probably not the best verse to use.
However, Jesus repeats this in John— below— while He was speaking to the Jews, He called them gods; there was no reference to what you saw back in Ps 82.

-“And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.””
‭‭John‬ ‭10‬:‭23‬-‭24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, "You are gods" ’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?"
John 10:34-36 NKJV ; Ps. 82:6

 

[Godsgood]

Your logic is flawed.

If we apply the same poor reasoning, we could have a scenario like this:

"God gave dogs four legs, therefore all four-legged animals are dogs".

In the case of prophets, yes, all genuine prophets are "chosen of God" but not all "chosen of God" are prophets. Some are kings, some are judges, some are patriarchs, and most are simple people living quiet lives.


Your English is failing you. You would do well to learn verb conjugation and syntax. Also, it is rare that "although" and "but" belong in the same sentence.


No, they did not. They were wise enough to avoid claiming to be prophets, and they did not claim anywhere that they were the replacement of the OT prophets. Once again you are adding to Scripture. They claimed to be children of Abraham.


Just because someone is in the wrong doesn't mean that person is a "false prophet". You are often wrong, but as you don't claim to be a prophet, you aren't a "false prophet". I have told you before, but you resist learning; the scribes and Pharisees were were false teachers.

If we apply the same poor reasoning, we could have a scenario like this:
I know you have the knowledge of what you call hermeneutical methods. So you are proud of your English language.
But your method already exposed by Lord Jesus that it comes from man only. It is not a method of God the Father and so it is not a basis to salvation.

Your English is failing you. You would do well to learn verb conjugation and syntax. Also, it is rare that "although" and "but" belong in the same sentence.
I admit my English is not good as in you.
But I know those who are seeking the truth in the eyes of God, my poor English still help because God will make a way and he is the one who will give the understanding (Proverbs 2:6)
You forgot Moses who lead the Israelites despite he is not good in speaking
EXODUS 4:10
10 Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”

No, they did not. They were wise enough to avoid claiming to be prophets, and they did not claim anywhere that they were the replacement of the OT prophets. Once again you are adding to Scripture. They claimed to be children of Abraham.
You are depending on it should be written exactly before you believe because God the Father never give you a revelation.
That is why it is not enough for you to understand that the Scribes & Pharisees were claiming seeds of Abraham (John 8:39)

Just because someone is in the wrong doesn't mean that person is a "false prophet". You are often wrong, but as you don't claim to be a prophet, you aren't a "false prophet". I have told you before, but you resist learning; the scribes and Pharisees were were false teachers
On the other hand why are you justifying that Scribes & Pharisees are not false Prophets?
You are depending on what is written.
Is it not enough for you what Lord Jesus described them in Matthew chapter 23?

Is not not also enough fro you what the Lord Jesus said to them:
JOHN 8:43-44
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

What is the difference of false Prophets to a false teachings (Scribes & Pharisees) where both took you in a ditch.
MATTHEW 15:14
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Now it is proven that you are here not to seek for the truth.
You are here to wait for the post (especially mine) so you can criticize.

And it is also proven that your character have the same characters of the Scribes & Pharisees. They were following Lord Jesus and pretending they want to listen. As if they are seeking for the truth. It is not but to criticize him.

For the other readers; in case you don't understand my English you may bring in my attention and I will rephrase to the best I can.
But I never stop sharing the truth.

 

[Ouch]

I decided not to address your earlier misuse of the apostrophe, but the stickler in me is restless.

For a plural, do not use the apostrophe. One God, multiple gods. No apostrophe.

You might try proofreading too....

Thank you for your imput, I'm a working with your hands JESUS follower not best with words or how they go together.

Hopyfully people can understand what I am saying and what I mean.

Most of the time I'm not talking anyway just sharing HIS word not mine.

 

[Ouch]

The Trinity, all 3 agree as one. Emphasizing the Trinity is good enough; it seems many Christian’s have a hard time with this. And yes, Jesus is God who came in the flesh, born miraculously through Mary (His Eema).

I used the verse above so people would see that God called us gods…. Interesting? However, we know that there is only one God who created all things through Jesus Christ. God of gods, and Lord of lords.

Thank you, so "all 3 agree as one", so there are 3 GOD'S.

I understand that JESUS refers to those who trust and obey him as gods.

I am in no way speaking of us.

The trinity didn't exist until men started it in the year 325 and now so many people follow those who started it, so it must be true.

I also know it's a deep subject.

Who forgives our sins?

Who spoke from Heaven?

Where does GOD say what HIS name is OR SHOULD I SAME NAMES?

Can a man speak from Heaven?

Moses? Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: ...

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

I think the neatest verse is this one,

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

JESUS speaking to Nicodemus and says HE IS IN HEAVEN at that very second.

How about how HE reveals himself here,

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

JESUS speaking to HIS DISCIPLES they knew who he was because we know how they told us to get baptized.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

None of us will know everything and I forsure don't see this as a life or death matter?

 

[Dino246]

If we apply the same poor reasoning, we could have a scenario like this:
I know you have the knowledge of what you call hermeneutical methods. So you are proud of your English language.
But your method already exposed by Lord Jesus that it comes from man only. It is not a method of God the Father and so it is not a basis to salvation.

Your English is failing you. You would do well to learn verb conjugation and syntax. Also, it is rare that "although" and "but" belong in the same sentence.
I admit my English is not good as in you.
But I know those who are seeking the truth in the eyes of God, my poor English still help because God will make a way and he is the one who will give the understanding (Proverbs 2:6)
You forgot Moses who lead the Israelites despite he is not good in speaking
EXODUS 4:10
10 Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”

No, they did not. They were wise enough to avoid claiming to be prophets, and they did not claim anywhere that they were the replacement of the OT prophets. Once again you are adding to Scripture. They claimed to be children of Abraham.
You are depending on it should be written exactly before you believe because God the Father never give you a revelation.
That is why it is not enough for you to understand that the Scribes & Pharisees were claiming seeds of Abraham (John 8:39)

Just because someone is in the wrong doesn't mean that person is a "false prophet". You are often wrong, but as you don't claim to be a prophet, you aren't a "false prophet". I have told you before, but you resist learning; the scribes and Pharisees were were false teachers
On the other hand why are you justifying that Scribes & Pharisees are not false Prophets?
You are depending on what is written.
Is it not enough for you what Lord Jesus described them in Matthew chapter 23?

Is not not also enough fro you what the Lord Jesus said to them:
JOHN 8:43-44
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

What is the difference of false Prophets to a false teachings (Scribes & Pharisees) where both took you in a ditch.
MATTHEW 15:14
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Now it is proven that you are here not to seek for the truth.
You are here to wait for the post (especially mine) so you can criticize.

And it is also proven that your character have the same characters of the Scribes & Pharisees. They were following Lord Jesus and pretending they want to listen. As if they are seeking for the truth. It is not but to criticize him.

For the other readers; in case you don't understand my English you may bring in my attention and I will rephrase to the best I can.
But I never stop sharing the truth.

Your dismissal of me is based on your bruised ego. I criticize your words because what you share is often your misinterpretation of Scripture. Your English is not excellent, but instead of correcting it you expect God to bridge the gap.

I will continue to tell others you are wrong when you are wrong so that they aren’t led into error in your wake.

When you grow up enough to set aside your ridiculous made-up criteria for salvation, you might learn that I have much more to offer than criticism. In the meantime I will enjoy my relationship with my Father through Jesus Christ His Son.

 

[Dino246]

If we apply the same poor reasoning, we could have a scenario like this:
I know you have the knowledge of what you call hermeneutical methods. So you are proud of your English language.
But your method already exposed by Lord Jesus that it comes from man only. It is not a method of God the Father and so it is not a basis to salvation.

Logic is not hermeneutical method, though proper hermeneutics employs sound logic. Logic is thinking rightly, as God Himself does. You can claim what you like about my "method" being "already exposed" but you can't provide any proof, only more flawed arguments.

I am not "proud" of my English language, but I do happen to understand its structure better than many people. There is no shame on you for not understanding English as well as I do, but when you refuse to learn, you earn disrespect. There are probably other forums using other primary languages where I would struggle to communicate. In such a context I would take language correction from native speakers of that language, but this forum uses English.

For at least the second time, I have not claimed that hermeneutics is a "basis to salvation" or anything of the sort. Those are your words, and they are wrong.

 

[TruthDefender]

Thank you, so "all 3 agree as one", so there are 3 GOD'S.

I understand that JESUS refers to those who trust and obey him as gods.

I am in no way speaking of us.

The trinity didn't exist until men started it in the year 325 and now so many people follow those who started it, so it must be true.

I also know it's a deep subject.

Who forgives our sins?

Who spoke from Heaven?

Where does GOD say what HIS name is OR SHOULD I SAME NAMES?

Can a man speak from Heaven?

Moses? Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: ...

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

I think the neatest verse is this one,

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

JESUS speaking to Nicodemus and says HE IS IN HEAVEN at that very second.

How about how HE reveals himself here,

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

JESUS speaking to HIS DISCIPLES they knew who he was because we know how they told us to get baptized.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

None of us will know everything and I forsure don't see this as a life or death matter?

[You said: Thank you, so "all 3 agree as one", so there are 3 GOD'S.
I understand that JESUS refers to those who trust and obey him as gods.——

No, this is NOT what I said. I only quoted what Jesus told the Jews standing around Him.

[You said: The trinity didn't exist until men started it in the year 325 and now so many people follow those who started it, so it must be true.]

This is false! The Trinity didn’t begin with men, the Trinity was there in the beginning of time. It’s Scriptural, NOT man-made.

You asked:
-Who forgives our sins?
Jesus Christ died for our sins

-Who spoke from Heaven?
God the Father or God the Son, depending on the verse and time frame.

-Where does GOD say what HIS name is OR SHOULD I SAME NAMES? (What do you mean by “Should I Same names?”)
He is referenced by many adjectives: (Note: The Jews were never to mention Jesus’ full name.)The great I Am comes to mind; Jesus is referred to many adjectorial names.

-Can a man speak from Heaven? I don’t think so, I’ve never heard a man speak from heaven. Have you? lol

 

[TruthDefender]

-“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬