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Ouch said:
Tying being on this side, when you say were saved by grace and can't show me how to be saved.
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I think the issue there is,you presume to claim to know how to teach us the Bible when you clearly don't know it yourself.

As to your query,how to be Saved, numerous posts have talked about that and been specific as to how one is Saved.

You don't appear to know that. Which speaks louder than anything you could post.
 
rogerg said:
"Wow" is the first thing you accidently stated that is correct and appropriate but not in the way you intended it.
Apparently, you've been, and are, unfamiliar with Christ alone as THE Savior - odd for someone who claims to be a Christian.
Good day.
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I explained to you what part of the "all" is not understandable and you go on a rant and call my mental capacity into question and now question me as being a Christian?

Go look in the mirror mate. :rolleyes:
 
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rogerg said:
Oh my! NO, you are making stuff up that I didn't say. This is getting ridiculous. ALL MEANS ALL as-in everything - there was nothing not covered by the "all"! God did it "ALL". Everything pertaining to salvation, faith and belief, everything, was given by God as a gift. Nothing at "all" was required of me - and that is what makes Christ THE Savor. Got it this time? If you are unable to comprehend that, then you have a serious problem that I can't help you with and you need professional assistance.
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Got it! You believe God shows favoritism and hates humanity for whom He did NOTHING to save.
What a perverted Gospel! (aka tulipism--God's assistance needed)

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation. (Matt. 7:7, Rom. 1:20, 2:5, 3:22-28)

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell. (Matt. 4:17, 7:21, John 3:16, Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:6, 1John 3:23)

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls. (Rom. 3:22-26, 5:18, 2Cor. 5:14-19, Heb. 2:14-17, 1John 2:2)

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved. (Matt. 13:14-15, 23:37, 1Tim. 2:3-4, Tit. 2:11, 2Pet. 3:9)

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved. (Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Gal. 5:4, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10)

The T in TULIP is Totally wrong, the U in TULIP is Unscriptural, the L in TULIP is a Lie, the I in TULIP Ignores much Scripture, and the P in TULIP denies the Permissive will of God that allows MFW and thus the Possibility of apostasy.
 
GWH said:
Got it! You believe God shows favoritism and hates humanity for whom He did NOTHING to save.
What a perverted Gospel! (aka tulipism--God's assistance needed)

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation. (Matt. 7:7, Rom. 1:20, 2:5, 3:22-28)

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell. (Matt. 4:17, 7:21, John 3:16, Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:6, 1John 3:23)

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls. (Rom. 3:22-26, 5:18, 2Cor. 5:14-19, Heb. 2:14-17, 1John 2:2)

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved. (Matt. 13:14-15, 23:37, 1Tim. 2:3-4, Tit. 2:11, 2Pet. 3:9)

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved. (Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Gal. 5:4, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10)

The T in TULIP is Totally wrong, the U in TULIP is Unscriptural, the L in TULIP is a Lie, the I in TULIP Ignores much Scripture, and the P in TULIP denies the Permissive will of God that allows MFW and thus the Possibility of apostasy.
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So, the bottom-line of what you're saying (in contravention to the gospel) is that Christ alone isn't actually the Savior but instead that man can be that for himself, correct?
 
Doll said:
I think the issue there is,you presume to claim to know how to teach us the Bible when you clearly don't know it yourself.

As to your query,how to be Saved, numerous posts have talked about that and been specific as to how one is Saved.

You don't appear to know that. Which speaks louder than anything you could post.
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First I was not taking to you.

I do see you like to belittle people and it don't work with me because I don't care what you think it just make you think your big.

I'm here to share HIS word.

You are right I don't know much, HIS word has so much to learn I will never know or understand it all.

BUT I DON'T SAY THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE AND CLAIM THEY ARE!!!!

You can't even tell me how to be saved, why is that?

This is how to be reborn according to HIS word.

Believe, Repent, get baptized in JESUS name to remove our sins, and JESUS will fill us with HIS spirit the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. John 3:5, Acts 2:38.

I let HIS word do the talking, do you like it?
 
sawdust said:
The part of "all' that is required of you to believe just like the verses say that you quoted. God did not do that for you, you did that.
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God causes a person to believe in Christ by gifting them by Grace, He gives them to believe on Christ on His behalf Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

So that's the Apostles teaching
 
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rogerg said:
So, the bottom-line of what you're saying (in contravention to the gospel) is that Christ alone isn't actually the Savior but instead that man can be that for himself, correct?
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Wrong. I say what the NT teaches regarding how Christ saves which requires the sinner’s repentance or faith or cooperation. God initiates; sinners cooperate or not
 
GWH said:
Wrong. I say what the NT teaches regarding how Christ saves which requires the sinner’s repentance or faith or cooperation. God initiates; sinners cooperate or not
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You're wrong. That would then make the person into their own savior because salvation would be by the person's actions. If what you stated were true, it would devolve Christ into a salvation function rather than of being the one who fully and completely saves in all aspects irrespective of the actions of the person who is to become saved. You just don't like that the power and choice of salvation rests solely with God through Jesus Christ, and not with man, with no explanations, apologies, or appeals of His choices given by Him for His choices.
 
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rogerg said:
So, the bottom-line of what you're saying (in contravention to the gospel) is that Christ
alone isn't actually the Savior but instead that man can be that for himself, correct?
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The bottom line is, you say God does it all, and gwh claims you say God does nothing.
 
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Magenta said:
The bottom line is, you say God does it all, and gwh claims you say God does nothing.
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Sorry, Magenta, don't quite follow you - my fault- not thinking too clearly yet- more coffee! required! I don't recall gwh saying that I said God does nothing, although I could have easily missed or misunderstood that. Anyway, I hope I didn't say or imply anything like that because it definitely is not something I believe
 
rogerg said:
Sorry, Magenta, don't quite follow you - my fault- not thinking too clearly yet- more coffee! required! I don't recall
gwh saying that I said God does nothing, although I could have easily missed or misunderstood that. Anyway, I hope
I didn't say or imply anything like that because it definitely is not something I believe
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The point is he lied about what you believe, say, and do. It is a recognizable pattern with him and many of these FWers. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
GWH said:
You believe God shows favoritism and hates humanity for whom He did NOTHING to save.
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Ouch said:
First I was not taking to you.

I do see you like to belittle people and it don't work with me because I don't care what you think it just make you think your big.

I'm here to share HIS word.

You are right I don't know much, HIS word has so much to learn I will never know or understand it all.

BUT I DON'T SAY THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE AND CLAIM THEY ARE!!!!

You can't even tell me how to be saved, why is that?

This is how to be reborn according to HIS word.

Believe, Repent, get baptized in JESUS name to remove our sins, and JESUS will fill us with HIS spirit the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. John 3:5, Acts 2:38.

I let HIS word do the talking, do you like it?
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I was talking to you. But not anymore
 
rogerg said:
I think that @Magenta's post was more than clear to reveal/document his lie about my belief.
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There's something really wrong when you accept hearsay rather than a direct response from the member you allege grieved you.

Personal experience with M.tells MF to tell you,trust whomever you have an issue with. Not that intermediary.
 
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Doll said:
There's something really wrong when you accept hearsay rather than a direct response from the member you allege grieved you.

Personal experience with M.tells MF to tell you,trust whomever you have an issue with. Not that intermediary.
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@Magenta cut and pasted from the post in question, so it is not hearsay - I don't need to belabor it beyond that - his opinion of me isn't important enough for me to really care about it or expend further effort - other than to realize that he does it.
 
rogerg said:
You're wrong. That would then make the person into their own savior because salvation would be by the person's actions. If what you stated were true, it would devolve Christ into a salvation function rather than of being the one who fully and completely saves in all aspects irrespective of the actions of the person who is to become saved. You just don't like that the power and choice of salvation rests solely with God through Jesus Christ, and not with man, with no explanations, apologies, or appeals of His choices given by Him for His choices.
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No it would not. Nowhere does Scripture say that faith makes a person into their own savior.
That view is due to your denominational brainwashing.
I LOVE that the power rests solely with a loving God, who gives every sinner including you and me
the opportunity to repent and be saved.
 
Magenta said:
The point is he lied about what you believe, say, and do. It is a recognizable pattern with him and many of these FWers. :coffee::coffee::coffee:
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No, the point is that Mag is hateful and deceitful,
because I did not lie but instead stated the logical obvious and semantically true:
that if God does it all only for some, then He does nothing for the others.
That is favoritism/injustice, which God does not show, as Paul stresses several times.
 
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