No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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GWH said:
Re John 6:44&64-65: When Christ was crucified he drew everyone, but everyone has the ability to ignore or resist God’s grace.
(1Tim. 2:3-4, Matt. 13:14-15, 23:37, John 3:16-18).
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No. Only those drawn by the Father will be raised up on the last day. In Jhn 17:2, we are explicitly told who those of Jhn 6:44 are: those whom the Father gives to Christ, past, present, and future; to them alone He gives eternal life.
It is not open-ended that someone can give it to themselves. In 17:9 we are informed that Jesus did not pray for the world, but only for those explicitly given to Him by the Father.

[Jhn 17:1-3, 9 KJV]
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ...
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. ...
 
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brightfame52 said:
That's for any sin, even for eating a forbidden fruit God said not to eat
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The wages of sin is death, spiritual and physical. That's the death He died for us. He didn't go to the lake of fire so that is not paid for. The lake of fire is for rejecting Christ. Believers don't go to the lake of fire, only unbelievers because they refuse to believe in God's only Son.

We all we're not condemned to death because of unbelief but because of Adam's sin. You have to be alive and hear of God before you can not believe.

The lake of fire wasn't even created for man but for the devil and his kind. Not a single sin is mentioned at the great White Throne judgment only works and the one work the Father looks for is faith in Christ. It's the only work that pleases God. Unbelievers don't have that one work because they rejected Christ.

If the lake of fire was for eating the fruit then Adam should have been told that but he wasn't. He was told he would die and that is what he did.
 
decipher said:
They prophesied and did wonderful works in the name of the Lord Jesus. They were expecting to be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven which means that they believed that, and the faith was there. What was missing was doing the will of the Father and being known by Jesus which comes when you receive the Holy Spirit and the Father and Son enter your being. How else would one know the will of the Father?
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The will of the Father is to believe in His Son so no, they did not have faith. Faith comes from the word, the word is truth. If they believed the truth they would have had faith and would have pleased God and be known by Him. One knows the will of the Father by believing the word. Job is never said to have the Spirit of God but is counted as one of the greatest OT saints.
 
sawdust said:
The lake of fire wasn't even created for man but for the devil and his kind. Not a single sin is mentioned at the great White Throne judgment only works and the one work the Father looks for is faith in Christ. It's the only work that pleases God. Unbelievers don't have that one work because they rejected Christ.
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For he who is not against us, is for us. Mark 9:40​
 
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decipher said:
What condemns humanity is their motivation for living. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they and all their descendants have that knowledge. Romans 4: 15 We are all born under the Law because we all have a conscience and know what is right. We break the Law when our motivation for living is love of self first instead of love of God first and all others as we love ourslves. The Old Testament Jews were given the Letter of the Law because they had to specifically be told what not to do. Jesus not only erased our sins, but made it easy for us to obey the Spirit of the Law (upon which the Letter of the Law is based) which is to love God first and all others as we love ourselves. Not only does he erase our sins, but he also changes our motivation for living by filling us with the godly love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law. All this happens when we get baptized with the Holy Spirit and are "born again". John 1: 13
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We were born condemned so even before we had any motivation we were bound to death. Adam's sin condemned us, we don't even have to break the law to die.
 
"No person can come to Christ by their own freewill"
A debate is facilitated by first defining the terms in the claim. If the terms are broadly applied, then the Pharisees came to Christ, and went away, by their own freewill. Others came to Christ, and believed in His capability to save them, by their own freewill. The latter are passively saved. The sentence construct of "They saved themselves" is active reflexive verb. "They came to Christ" is active with Christ as the object.

Importance of Understanding Voice
Understanding the difference between active and passive voice is crucial for effective communication. It helps in constructing sentences that are clear and appropriately emphasize the intended subject or action. Mastery of voice can enhance writing skills, making it a vital topic in grammar studies.
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By grasping these concepts, you can improve your writing clarity and style, ensuring that your sentences convey the intended meaning effectively.
 
decipher said:
Just a friendly reminder, you needn't be rude. I read her post and I understood everything she/he was saying.


Salvation is a state of being. When you are chosen, you are put in that state of being. How does one have a choice when you are already in that state of being. The only way that you have a choice is if you are not in that state of being, which means you are not chosen.
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Then you’re not understanding what is stated.
 
decipher said:
Just a friendly reminder, you needn't be rude. I read her post and I understood everything she/he was saying.
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How in the world was I rude?? Grammar in a language is everything for conveying thoughts. If the grammar is lacking so is the understanding! Congrats for deciphering, not all of us are so keen…..
 
TruthDefender said:
How in the world was I rude?? Grammar in a language is everything for conveying thoughts. If the grammar is lacking so is the understanding! Congrats for deciphering, not all of us are so keen…..
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Did you ever think that maybe English is not his/her first language and he/she was doing her/his best to convey his/her thoughts. I don't think you were intentionally rude. You just might not have considered that maybe there is a reason for his/her lack of good grammar and that this website is not just for the intellectual elite. I'll admit that at first I had a little trouble understanding what he/she was trying to say, but on careful examination, I understood that he/she has a good understanding of sound doctrine and your comment was not encouraging and somewhat condescending. I agree with you that grammar in a language is everything for conveying thoughts, but I disagree with you that when grammar is lacking, so is the understanding.
 
decipher said:
Did you ever think that maybe English is not his/her first language and he/she was doing her/his best to convey his/her thoughts. I don't think you were intentionally rude. You just might not have considered that maybe there is a reason for his/her lack of good grammar and that this website is not just for the intellectual elite. I'll admit that at first I had a little trouble understanding what he/she was trying to say, but on careful examination, I understood that he/she has a good understanding of sound doctrine and your comment was not encouraging and somewhat condescending. I agree with you that grammar in a language is everything for conveying thoughts, but I disagree with you that when grammar is lacking, so is the understanding.
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I did understand that, and I was actually nice about it, hence me informing them that they can easily c&p scripture; it’s rather fast and efficient. I was actually trying to help! So how in the world do you think that’s rude?? It seems you took it the wrong way.
 
TruthDefender said:
-“So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭20‬:‭16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-““For many are called, but few are chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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You keep repeating that like it is not God doing the choosing...

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John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
 
OLDBUTNEW said:
@Magenta : So seriously, then, how does a person know when he or she is BORN AGAIN?
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Romans 8 v 15-16 You did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
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Magenta said:
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Romans 8 v 15-16 You did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
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@Magenta : So from this, do you mean that you feel it in your heart, when you are Born Again?
 
OLDBUTNEW said:
@Magenta : So from this, do you mean that you feel it in your heart, when you are Born Again?
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No, I mean that the Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit, that we are God's children, just as Scripture says.
To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God —
children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

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John 1 v 11-13 ~ He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God
 
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