The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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NightTwister said:
None of the examples in the Bible specify how much water was used nor how it was applied.
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You said, you accept ALL of HIS word, I for sure am not sharing my opinion but HIS word only.

As you can see, the ESV wording is different then the KJV.

Matthew 3:13-17
English Standard Version

16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him,[a] and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Matthew 3:16-17
King James Version
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

There HAS to be an answer!!

When it says, when JESUS was baptized, WENT UP STRIGHTWAY OUT OF THE WATER, do you think he did that represents being sprinkled or poured on?

There also HAS to be an anwer for why JESUS's disciples baptized in JESUS name.

HIS disciples KNEW who HE was.

John 14,
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9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

How about this one, JESUS speaking and HE is alos in HEAVEN.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
CS1 said:


Jesus did it not water baptism.

1 John 1:7
The blood of Jesus has cleansing power to reconcile us from sin. Just as sacrifices were made in the Old Testament, Jesus gave His life and shed His blood for this purpose. According to 1 John 1:7, "the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin".

Ephesians 1:7: "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace."
Hebrews 9:14: "How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"
1 Peter 1:19: "But with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect."


Jesus said it was His Blood that was poured out for the forgiveness of Sins. Jesus did that not your being water baptized. Those who place the act of sins being washed away without seeing water is and was symbolic of the grave and the Blood as Romans 6 tell us . Has made a big error.
Matthew 26:28: "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for you. It is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."


These verses highlight the significance of Jesus' blood in the context of salvation and forgiveness, emphasizing the transformative power of His sacrifice for humanity's sins.
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What did I use out of context.

Great idea, how about you show me how WE GET RID OF OUR SINS TODAY WITH HIS WORD.

Don't just share scripture of what JESUS did or anyone else.

WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE HAD TO DO.

Thank you JESUS for ALL YOU DID, AMEN.

MAKE SURE IT SAYS REMOVES SINS or something like that.
 
NightTwister said:
Nothing you said here has anything to do with "mode" (e.g. sprinkle, pour, immersion) of baptism, so I have no idea why you replied to my comment.
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your right which means saying in the name of Jesus is not needed. That would be a mode.
 
Ouch said:
What did I use out of context.

Great idea, how about you show me how WE GET RID OF OUR SINS TODAY WITH HIS WORD.

Don't just share scripture of what JESUS did or anyone else.

WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE HAD TO DO.

Thank you JESUS for ALL YOU DID, AMEN.

MAKE SURE IT SAYS REMOVES SINS or something like that.
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Think about what you just said "Don't just share scripture of what JESUS did,"

Not only what he did but what HE said. Did Jesus save you or water baptism. Water or the or the Blood?
 
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CS1 said:
Think about what you just said "Don't just share scripture of what JESUS did,"

Not only what he did but what HE said. Did Jesus save you or water baptism. Water or the or the Blood?
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What saved Naaman? The water or God?
 
Blue155 said:
What saved Naaman? The water or God?
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His faith.
The water healed him of his leprosy.

In 2 Kings 5:1-19, Naaman was sent to Elisha, a mighty prophet of God in Israel to be supernaturally healed. Instead of Elisha coming to the door to greet Naaman, he sent a messenger to him saying, “Go and wash in the Jordan River seven times, and your flesh will be restored to you and you shall be clean.”
 
BillG said:
His faith.
The water healed him of his leprosy.

In 2 Kings 5:1-19, Naaman was sent to Elisha, a mighty prophet of God in Israel to be supernaturally healed. Instead of Elisha coming to the door to greet Naaman, he sent a messenger to him saying, “Go and wash in the Jordan River seven times, and your flesh will be restored to you and you shall be clean.”
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The water had no power. Was it his faith in the water? Or his faith in God?
 
BillG said:
His faith in God to heal him.
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Naaman’s faith in God healed him when he dipped in the waters of the river Jordan. Apply that to water baptism as someone submits to being immersed into Christ.
 
Blue155 said:
Naaman’s faith in God healed him when he dipped in the waters of the river Jordan. Apply that to water baptism as someone submits to being immersed into Christ.
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Comes across as immersion saved him
 
BillG said:
Comes across as immersion saved him
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His faith in God saved him when he obeyed God in doing what he said to be cleansed of his leprosy. The power wasn’t in the water. It was in God, and he submitting in faith.
 
Blue155 said:
His faith in God saved him when he obeyed God in doing what he said to be cleansed of his leprosy. The power wasn’t in the water. It was in God, and he submitting in faith.
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If God asked you to do something but didn't have you lost your salvation?

A simple eg, God asks you to go and pray with a person or give a message in church but you don't.

Are you still saved?
 
@BillG, my point is about God’s provision and human response. Naaman had the means of healing available by the mercy and grace of God that he didn’t earn, but the cleansing only happened when he obeyed God’s command to dip in the Jordan. If he had refused, he wouldn’t have been healed. God provided the way, and Naaman submitted to it.

Had Naaman refused, would he have been cleansed of his leprosy? No.
 
Blue155 said:
@BillG, my point is about God’s provision and human response. Naaman had the means of healing available by the mercy and grace of God that he didn’t earn, but the cleansing only happened when he obeyed God’s command to dip in the Jordan. If he had refused, he wouldn’t have been healed. God provided the way, and Naaman submitted to it.

Had Naaman refused, would he have been cleansed of his leprosy? No.
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I agree but can you answer my questions above?
 
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