John I understand what you are saying But what I am saying is that it has been proven right here on earth how fast the speed of light is no assumptions needed They have a lab that is 8km long with a tube that runs the length of it where they have done the experiments and measured the speed of light real time and premeasured distance so there are no mistakes or assumptions needed I thought I made that clear in an earlier post!
Universal Laws of Heavenly Bodies
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Scientists bounce light off mirrors on the moon and use a hundred other ways to measure the speed of light which can today even be done accurately in many university laboratories.
The speed of light is defined to be c=299,792,458 km/s. Light has a smaller speed when going through other transparent media than a vacuum.
If you want to see the many accurate ways that the speed of light is measured, read 'Physical optics and light measurements' by Daniel Malacara (editor) that gives most of them.
The speed of light is defined to be c=299,792,458 km/s. Light has a smaller speed when going through other transparent media than a vacuum.
If you want to see the many accurate ways that the speed of light is measured, read 'Physical optics and light measurements' by Daniel Malacara (editor) that gives most of them.
Well it would seem that the milky way Galaxy is the epicenter for creation due mainly to the Red Shift which in it's simplist definition says that all galaxies are moving away from us if this is the case 360 degrees hemispherically it would suggest that where we reside is the relative epicenter for the big bang which would give some credibility (though he doesn't say it like this) to Strangeloves stationary theory. it's a stationary galaxy though not a stationary world
I always loved this picture of the Universe I find more glory to God in this picture than I find in most people when I consider that the brightest spot in the picture is a collaberation of millions of Galaxies each having billions of stars for a total of a googleplex of worlds that perhaps one day God willing I will get to discover each and every one with Jesus as my tour guide travelling the cosmos in New Jerusalem for Eternity
I always loved this picture of the Universe I find more glory to God in this picture than I find in most people when I consider that the brightest spot in the picture is a collaberation of millions of Galaxies each having billions of stars for a total of a googleplex of worlds that perhaps one day God willing I will get to discover each and every one with Jesus as my tour guide travelling the cosmos in New Jerusalem for Eternity
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Space is a continuum measured geometrically as a set of points (functionally related) endowed with a dimensional structure.
Space makes up more than 99.9% of the volume of the universe. Stars, planets, rock, ice, dust, and gas compose less than .1% of the volume in space. Space is vastly the most abundant aspect of the cosmos.
So what is space? After removing matter, energy, and gravity, space is just physical volume we call a vacuum. We can call this physical volume ‘Proto-space’.
Proto-space has three obvious dimensions composing its volume: height, width, and length. As well, volume is the measurement/amount of something physical, in other words substance.
Therefore, Proto-space is a composition of substance and volume.
The least physical state that space can be reduced to is four dimensions; three of volume, and one of composing substance.
Each is an absolute constituent of physical space. Take any one of the four dimensions away - and the structural causation of physical volume ceases to exist. The physical volume composing Proto-space is the elementary foundation of physical existence.
Space makes up more than 99.9% of the volume of the universe. Stars, planets, rock, ice, dust, and gas compose less than .1% of the volume in space. Space is vastly the most abundant aspect of the cosmos.
So what is space? After removing matter, energy, and gravity, space is just physical volume we call a vacuum. We can call this physical volume ‘Proto-space’.
Proto-space has three obvious dimensions composing its volume: height, width, and length. As well, volume is the measurement/amount of something physical, in other words substance.
Therefore, Proto-space is a composition of substance and volume.
The least physical state that space can be reduced to is four dimensions; three of volume, and one of composing substance.
Each is an absolute constituent of physical space. Take any one of the four dimensions away - and the structural causation of physical volume ceases to exist. The physical volume composing Proto-space is the elementary foundation of physical existence.
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Grasshopper, the sensitive light and radio wave gathering instruments available today (e.g. Keck, Palomar, Hubble, etc...) allow scientists to look into space to the very limits of the cosmos itself.
And as they look out into space, they look back in time. This is where astronomy is unique among the sciences, because it alone directly observes the past.
As they simultaneously peer out into space and back in time, eventually infared and radio wave telescopes must be used to see out into space past the time before galaxies with the map of the cosmic background radiation taking them all the way to 380,000 (old earth timescale) years away from the actual moment of creation.
The reason why they can't look back any farther is because that's the point where light first separated from darkness. The view before that time would only offer a featureless glow.
They cannot see beyond this glow because previous to 380,000 years after the creation event the universe was too hot for atoms to exist. Electrons could not orbit around nuclei. Because the universe was nothing but charged particles in a morphous glow, that is all that appears.
For an earlier look we have to use entirely different vehicles, in other words, entirely different instruments like particle accelerators, supercomputers, and gravity wave detectors: not telescopes. With these machines we can duplicate many of the physical conditions of the cosmos at its earliest moments with the goal of simulating Plank time.
I think you're position that the Milky Way galaxy is the center of the universe can be argued in this manner right? Our galaxy is the centre of the universe, ‘quantized’ redshifts show
BUT scientists assert this: The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe
And as they look out into space, they look back in time. This is where astronomy is unique among the sciences, because it alone directly observes the past.
As they simultaneously peer out into space and back in time, eventually infared and radio wave telescopes must be used to see out into space past the time before galaxies with the map of the cosmic background radiation taking them all the way to 380,000 (old earth timescale) years away from the actual moment of creation.
The reason why they can't look back any farther is because that's the point where light first separated from darkness. The view before that time would only offer a featureless glow.
They cannot see beyond this glow because previous to 380,000 years after the creation event the universe was too hot for atoms to exist. Electrons could not orbit around nuclei. Because the universe was nothing but charged particles in a morphous glow, that is all that appears.
For an earlier look we have to use entirely different vehicles, in other words, entirely different instruments like particle accelerators, supercomputers, and gravity wave detectors: not telescopes. With these machines we can duplicate many of the physical conditions of the cosmos at its earliest moments with the goal of simulating Plank time.
I think you're position that the Milky Way galaxy is the center of the universe can be argued in this manner right? Our galaxy is the centre of the universe, ‘quantized’ redshifts show
BUT scientists assert this: The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe
Well it would seem that the milky way Galaxy is the epicenter for creation due mainly to the Red Shift which in it's simplist definition says that all galaxies are moving away from us if this is the case 360 degrees hemispherically it would suggest that where we reside is the relative epicenter for the big bang which would give some credibility (though he doesn't say it like this) to Strangeloves stationary theory. it's a stationary galaxy though not a stationary world
I always loved this picture of the Universe I find more glory to God in this picture than I find in most people when I consider that the brightest spot in the picture is a collaberation of millions of Galaxies each having billions of stars for a total of a googleplex of worlds that perhaps one day God willing I will get to discover each and every one with Jesus as my tour guide travelling the cosmos in New Jerusalem for Eternity
I always loved this picture of the Universe I find more glory to God in this picture than I find in most people when I consider that the brightest spot in the picture is a collaberation of millions of Galaxies each having billions of stars for a total of a googleplex of worlds that perhaps one day God willing I will get to discover each and every one with Jesus as my tour guide travelling the cosmos in New Jerusalem for Eternity
J
Also regarding measuring nearer planets or moon. There are still assumptions that everything is consistent in the Galaxy and Universe and always moves in set/established ways. Things have and can happen to upset things and bring about inconsistencies. For example. I believe that at least one of the planets mnove in a direction which defies scientific understanding.
Check these videos out and let me know what you think:
CLICK HERE Our Solar System: Evidence for Creation, Part 1 of 9
Check these videos out and let me know what you think:
CLICK HERE Our Solar System: Evidence for Creation, Part 1 of 9
Lets look at creation then and see what we come up with!
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The big Bang? There was no light in the proto universe as enough matter had not accumulated yet to bring about the laws of physics as we know them today but as time progressed particles accumulated and coalesced (perhaps of God himself think of it as the ultimate gift of creation)also (mirrored in Jesus's crucifiction) eventually becomming matter and coalescing into ever greater masses of substance bringing about the laws of physics as we know them today
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Early universe of gases and micromatter(water) continuing the coalescent process into greater and greater masses eventually turning into proto stars
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
BOOM the first star ignites perhaps ours who knows for sure other than God at this stage of our infantile understanding of the universe and it's mechanics and laws
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Yep I know if I just finished building the early universe and turned on the lights I would be happy about what I had made wouldn't you
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The beginning of marked time
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Lets build the Earth and the other planets in the early years of our solar system (dividing the waters from waters) but it is more of a referrance to the creation of the earth than the other planets
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
The waters under the firmament refers to the actual water of this planet trapped here in the formation of the planet and the creation of the atmosphere we have around our planet. There is still no oxygen yet because plants and haven't been invented yet that comes later but there are many gases trapped in the atmosphere due to the law of gravity which holds it to the surface of the planet along with much water as we know it
8And God called the firmament Heaven. (It says sky in the NIV)And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
The creation of land mass due to seismic upheaval and tectonic shift of the outer solidified layer of the planet bringing the earths crust to rise in certain areas and the creation of the first super continent Pangea to rise out of the primordial ocean. This is more than likely due to the pull of the moon on the much thinner early crust layer of the earth (it was closer to the earth in those days) and the possible cause of the wobble the earth has which is called procetional shift which is why we have our seasons the way we do in the northern and southern hemispheres and how we mark time with the astronomical calendar of the ages in the sky.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
The division of the super continent happens in this time to the 7 we know today and the beginnings of life start on the planet
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Even Darwinian theory jives with this we know from biological studies of history that plants came before animals they create or synthesis the oxygen we breathe today
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The Evolution of plants into more complex forms of life
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
IN ONLY 3 DAYS AMAZING
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
More star systems coming into being within our own Galaxy become visible in the night sky as their stars light up and self ignite into the 12 houses of astronomical antiquity that we are all familiar with I.E. Taurus, Scorpio,Libra if you use the Babylonian Ideology or the 12 houses of Israel if your Jewish
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Stars and their systems in Space or the firmament of heaven
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
The sun and Moon and another referrance to the stars still being created just as they are today Though the chronology as it is written is questionable
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
The present cellestial order is put into permanent order (remember I said the moon used to be closer to the Earth than it is today)
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Sun for the day and Moon for the night
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
STILL AWESOMER
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
The first one celled creatures and their evolution from the primordial oceans into more complex organisms into every kind of creature that flys or swims
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Continued evolution ever moving forward according to divine order
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. The evolution of animals from sea to land and their continued evolution towards mammals and all forms of life that we are familiar with today.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Done making the Animal Kingdom and he is pretty happy about it I would be too
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The first Homogenous man Adam made in the image of his creator both male and female yet one
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This passage would suggest that self propagation was possible before he made Eve if we are to take the chronology verbatum as it is written for Eve hasn't been created yet
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Adam was a vegetarian in the beginning So shall it be in the end of Days
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Animals were vegetarians too apparently sin hadn't entered the world yet so eating meat was out of the question as of yet 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Well this is my brief overview of Creation I didn't copy and paste either it is from my own understanding and I am open to criticism and conjecture on it though I am sure latter will not be as prevalent
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The big Bang? There was no light in the proto universe as enough matter had not accumulated yet to bring about the laws of physics as we know them today but as time progressed particles accumulated and coalesced (perhaps of God himself think of it as the ultimate gift of creation)also (mirrored in Jesus's crucifiction) eventually becomming matter and coalescing into ever greater masses of substance bringing about the laws of physics as we know them today
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Early universe of gases and micromatter(water) continuing the coalescent process into greater and greater masses eventually turning into proto stars
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
BOOM the first star ignites perhaps ours who knows for sure other than God at this stage of our infantile understanding of the universe and it's mechanics and laws
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Yep I know if I just finished building the early universe and turned on the lights I would be happy about what I had made wouldn't you
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The beginning of marked time
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Lets build the Earth and the other planets in the early years of our solar system (dividing the waters from waters) but it is more of a referrance to the creation of the earth than the other planets
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
The waters under the firmament refers to the actual water of this planet trapped here in the formation of the planet and the creation of the atmosphere we have around our planet. There is still no oxygen yet because plants and haven't been invented yet that comes later but there are many gases trapped in the atmosphere due to the law of gravity which holds it to the surface of the planet along with much water as we know it
8And God called the firmament Heaven. (It says sky in the NIV)And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
The creation of land mass due to seismic upheaval and tectonic shift of the outer solidified layer of the planet bringing the earths crust to rise in certain areas and the creation of the first super continent Pangea to rise out of the primordial ocean. This is more than likely due to the pull of the moon on the much thinner early crust layer of the earth (it was closer to the earth in those days) and the possible cause of the wobble the earth has which is called procetional shift which is why we have our seasons the way we do in the northern and southern hemispheres and how we mark time with the astronomical calendar of the ages in the sky.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
The division of the super continent happens in this time to the 7 we know today and the beginnings of life start on the planet
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Even Darwinian theory jives with this we know from biological studies of history that plants came before animals they create or synthesis the oxygen we breathe today
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The Evolution of plants into more complex forms of life
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
IN ONLY 3 DAYS AMAZING
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
More star systems coming into being within our own Galaxy become visible in the night sky as their stars light up and self ignite into the 12 houses of astronomical antiquity that we are all familiar with I.E. Taurus, Scorpio,Libra if you use the Babylonian Ideology or the 12 houses of Israel if your Jewish
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Stars and their systems in Space or the firmament of heaven
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
The sun and Moon and another referrance to the stars still being created just as they are today Though the chronology as it is written is questionable
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
The present cellestial order is put into permanent order (remember I said the moon used to be closer to the Earth than it is today)
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Sun for the day and Moon for the night
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
STILL AWESOMER
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
The first one celled creatures and their evolution from the primordial oceans into more complex organisms into every kind of creature that flys or swims
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Continued evolution ever moving forward according to divine order
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. The evolution of animals from sea to land and their continued evolution towards mammals and all forms of life that we are familiar with today.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Done making the Animal Kingdom and he is pretty happy about it I would be too
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The first Homogenous man Adam made in the image of his creator both male and female yet one
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This passage would suggest that self propagation was possible before he made Eve if we are to take the chronology verbatum as it is written for Eve hasn't been created yet
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Adam was a vegetarian in the beginning So shall it be in the end of Days
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Animals were vegetarians too apparently sin hadn't entered the world yet so eating meat was out of the question as of yet 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Well this is my brief overview of Creation I didn't copy and paste either it is from my own understanding and I am open to criticism and conjecture on it though I am sure latter will not be as prevalent
Figgerz.
Where in all of that does the Earth start spinning or orbiting the sun?
Doesnt say does it?
And you didnt explain about the waters ABOVE the firmament.