The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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what are you confessing to? Or what are you confessing in need of to be saved? not water baptism. All scriptures contextually.
I’ll show you where water baptism is taught in that verse when you show me that repentance, grace, mercy, and Jesus’ blood are all mentioned. But since they are not explicitly mentioned, does that mean they aren’t necessary? Certainly not. For repentance is mentioned in Rom. 2:4. Grace is mentioned in Rom. 3:24. Mercy is mentioned in Romans 9, 11, 12, and 15. Jesus’ blood is mentioned in Rom. 3:25 and 5:9. And likewise, they wouldn’t believe water baptism for the remission of sins isn’t necessary because it isn’t explicitly mentioned in Rom 10 either.
 
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no I'm not. You are teaching a weak gospel. Stuck in a one verse built doctrine. You made water baptism superior to The Blood of Jesus and Grace through faith. By the work of what Jesus did on the cross for salvation.

Romans is written to the Jews about salvation in Christ. Hebrews written of the Supremacy of Christ an faith in him. The four Gospels written to testify of Jesus as God, The Messiah, King, and Savior. His Gospel and our ministry is unto him to win the lost.
Your accusation is unfounded. As I have said many times, water baptism holds no significance whatever without the sacrificial blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus made salvation possible. It is those who believe and obey Him that take hold of what He died to provide. (Heb. 5:9)

Accepting some scriptures at the expense of others is not the answer.
 
I’ll show you where water baptism is taught in that verse when you show me that repentance, grace, mercy, and Jesus’ blood are all mentioned. But since they are not explicitly mentioned, does that mean they aren’t necessary? Certainly not. For repentance is mentioned in Rom. 2:4. Grace is mentioned in Rom. 3:24. Mercy is mentioned in Romans 9, 11, 12, and 15. Jesus’ blood is mentioned in Rom. 3:25 and 5:9. And likewise, they wouldn’t believe water baptism for the remission of sins isn’t necessary because it isn’t explicitly mentioned in Rom 10 either.
that response was already given to you. That is the point Water Baptism is not mentioned in Roman 10:9-13 you must look at all scriptures in context to salvation. water doesn't save Jesus does. IF you do agree that is on you. Jesus said HE is the only way, Truth and Life to get to the Father. NOW I'm sure you deny the Trinity too. I am not trying to convince you. You will not get me to agree with your teaching. I am not trying to prove you wrong nor am I trying to win this debate. WE are saved BY Grace Through Faith. Not of the work of water baptism, speaking in tongues or casting out devils. Jesus and faith in Him by repentance and surrender and trusting in HIS work on the Cross. Jesus and only Jesus.
 
Your accusation is unfounded. As I have said many times, water baptism holds no significance whatever without the sacrificial blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus made salvation possible. It is those who believe and obey Him that take hold of what He died to provide. (Heb. 5:9)

Accepting some scriptures at the expense of others is not the answer.
maybe you should reread your post guy.


who said this ?

"forerunners of the RCC required everyone to administer baptisms using the phrase in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and stop baptizing people in the name of Jesus. The problem is they decided to mandate something other than what is revealed in the word. As such, people are not obeying Jesus but are unknowingly obeying a manmade tradition. And according to the word, manmade traditions make God's word of none effect. (Mark 7:13) How a person is baptized matters. Those who had not been baptized in the name of Jesus had to be rebaptized. (Acts 19:1-7)"


You did
 
that response was already given to you. That is the point Water Baptism is not mentioned in Roman 10:9-13 you must look at all scriptures in context to salvation. water doesn't save Jesus does. IF you do agree that is on you. Jesus said HE is the only way, Truth and Life to get to the Father. NOW I'm sure you deny the Trinity too. I am not trying to convince you. You will not get me to agree with your teaching. I am not trying to prove you wrong nor am I trying to win this debate. WE are saved BY Grace Through Faith. Not of the work of water baptism, speaking in tongues or casting out devils. Jesus and faith in Him by repentance and surrender and trusting in HIS work on the Cross. Jesus and only Jesus.
I’m not a Oneness Pentecostal. And I never said water saves. I believe what Jesus says about how to have salvation by His mercy and grace, which is also what He taught how to be saved by His mercy and grace, which includes belief, confess, repent and be baptized for the remission of sins..and living godly. That right there is all kinds of mercy and grace, as without those words of His, we’d not know how.
 
I’m not a Oneness Pentecostal. And I never said water saves. I believe what Jesus says about how to have salvation by His mercy and grace, which is also what He taught how to be saved by His mercy and grace, which includes belief, confess, repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. and living godly. That right there is all kinds of mercy and grace, as without those words of His, we’d not know how.

I don't care if you are Twoness. And as I have said and many others, one who come to Salvation through Christ will be baptized as Obedience unto the Lord.

Again no one here is against water Baptism.

Again, I am not against water baptism in Jesus name it is a valid way to baptize as is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It is the false teaching that if you have not been baptized in Jesus' name Only you are not saved. That is unbiblical.

One verse in Acts 2:38 while ignoring the who chapter which Peter had more to say is wrong. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 to baptize and make disciples.
water Baptism is an outward act of an inward work. Do you even know why Peter said be baptized in Jesus name ? Please answer that question for if you know.
 
that response was already given to you. That is the point Water Baptism is not mentioned in Roman 10:9-13 you must look at all scriptures in context to salvation. water doesn't save Jesus does. IF you do agree that is on you. Jesus said HE is the only way, Truth and Life to get to the Father. NOW I'm sure you deny the Trinity too. I am not trying to convince you. You will not get me to agree with your teaching. I am not trying to prove you wrong nor am I trying to win this debate. WE are saved BY Grace Through Faith. Not of the work of water baptism, speaking in tongues or casting out devils. Jesus and faith in Him by repentance and surrender and trusting in HIS work on the Cross. Jesus and only Jesus.

There could be a reason Paul didn't mention baptism in Romans.

Just MAYBE because he was speaking to his church not the unsaved.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Notice Paul is speaking about all of Israel to being saved???

You should read the whole chapter, you will see he is telling those who have been saved they better get out and confess JESUS so they will stay saved.

That's one reason I am on this sight, I have work to do.
 
I don't care if you are Twoness. And as I have said and many others, one who come to Salvation through Christ will be baptized as Obedience unto the Lord.

Again no one here is against water Baptism.

Again, I am not against water baptism in Jesus name it is a valid way to baptize as is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It is the false teaching that if you have not been baptized in Jesus' name Only you are not saved. That is unbiblical.

One verse in Acts 2:38 while ignoring the who chapter which Peter had more to say is wrong. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 to baptize and make disciples.
water Baptism is an outward act of an inward work. Do you even know why Peter said be baptized in Jesus name ? Please answer that question for if you know.
I don't care if you are Twoness. And as I have said and many others, one who come to Salvation through Christ will be baptized as Obedience unto the Lord.

Again no one here is against water Baptism.

Again, I am not against water baptism in Jesus name it is a valid way to baptize as is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It is the false teaching that if you have not been baptized in Jesus' name Only you are not saved. That is unbiblical.

One verse in Acts 2:38 while ignoring the who chapter which Peter had more to say is wrong. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 to baptize and make disciples.
water Baptism is an outward act of an inward work. Do you even know why Peter said be baptized in Jesus name ? Please answer that question for if you know.
Well, first off, please don’t put words in my mouth. I never once said that the baptizer must only say the words “in Jesus name” while they are being baptized for the remission of sins, as if that’s the only formula that is mentioned. I told you yesterday that I’m not arguing about a particular baptismal formula, but rather the purpose, and the purpose is for the remission of sins (Acts 2).

Now, the Bible says you must repent and be baptized for the remission of sins, and I believe that. If it is an outward act of an inward work, it is because God is the one at work (Col. 2), applying the blood of Jesus that remits sins by cleansing your soul and conscience (Acts 2; Col. 2; 1 Peter 1; Heb. 9 and 10). By saying baptized in Jesus name, Peter was letting others know this was by the authority of Jesus. Not man. It was by the authority of the Lord they were to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.

I’m not going to continue discussing this anymore, as we are not going to agree. Bye bye.
 
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There could be a reason Paul didn't mention baptism in Romans.

Just MAYBE because he was speaking to his church not the unsaved.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Notice Paul is speaking about all of Israel to being saved???

You should read the whole chapter, you will see he is telling those who have been saved they better get out and confess JESUS so they will stay saved.

That's one reason I am on this sight, I have work to do.
Paul mentions baptism in Romans 6
 
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that response was already given to you. That is the point Water Baptism is not mentioned in Roman 10:9-13
Because they didn’t think it was necessary? That’s why Paul didn’t mention it? Then I guess they didn’t think repentance, the blood, grace or mercy is necessary either since Paul did not explicitly mention them in those passages either. But again, no one there would say that they were not necessary anymore than they would think water baptism for the remission of sins wasn’t. They would all believe they were necessary to be saved. When it comes to being saved, Paul would not have left out repentance and baptism for the remission of sins anymore than he would have left out mercy, the blood and grace, as he’d be contradicting the Spirit who inspired Peter to say to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. And if Peter taught differently than Paul, then both would have been accursed (Gal. 1), but neither were accursed because neither taught differently on how to have your sins remitted by the blood. What one apostle taught, the others taught, as they were all guided by the Spirit of truth.

As for your other accusations against me, again, I’m not a Pentecostal, so I don’t share some of the other beliefs they do.
 
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maybe you should reread your post guy.


who said this ?

"forerunners of the RCC required everyone to administer baptisms using the phrase in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and stop baptizing people in the name of Jesus. The problem is they decided to mandate something other than what is revealed in the word. As such, people are not obeying Jesus but are unknowingly obeying a manmade tradition. And according to the word, manmade traditions make God's word of none effect. (Mark 7:13) How a person is baptized matters. Those who had not been baptized in the name of Jesus had to be rebaptized. (Acts 19:1-7)"


You did
The quote you reference was specific to the topic of water baptism. There is no need to bring up other topics; such as, the need to believe in Jesus' sacrifice, repentance, etc. when speaking about baptism. The same holds true within the pages of the bible. The concept should be an easy one to understand. But I notice you struggle with it. You will continue to be limited in your understanding until you accept this reality.
 
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There were people at Rome on Pentecost (Acts 2:10) who would have heard Peter make the connection in Acts 2:21 to v38. Even if they didn’t right off the bat, they would have later grew in their understanding (2 Peter 3:18), as everyone who first becomes a Christian are babes in Christ (1 Cor. 3:1), and is why we are told to be like newborn babes to desire the pure milk of the word to grow (1 Peter 2:2), to mature in understanding (1 Cor. 14:20), that way we can move onto the solid food (Heb. 5:12-14). They would have matured in understanding and moved onto the meatier things once they were further taught (Mt. 28:20) or received the letters (Col. 4:16; 1 Thess. 5:27).

Also, they wouldn’t have just started at Romans 10. They would have started at Romans 1, where Paul mentions belief, in Romans 2, where Paul mentions repentance, in Romans 3 and 5, where Paul mentions the blood, as well as grace (also mentioned in Romans 4) in Romans 6, where Paul mentions baptism, in Romans 9, where Paul mentions mercy.

Let us see if they taught the same.

Did Peter mention repentance? Yes (Acts 2 and 3).
Did Paul mention it to the Romans? Yes (Rom. 2).
Did Peter mention baptism? Yes (Acts 2 and 1 Peter 3)
Did Paul mention it to the Romans? Yes (Rom. 6)
Did Peter mention call upon the name of the Lord and connect that with salvation? Yes ( Acts 2)
Did Peter also explain how to do that? Yes (Acts 2:38)
Did Paul mention call upon the name of the Lord and connect it to salvation? Yes (Rom. 10).
Would Paul’s call upon the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16; cf. Rom. 10:13) be contradictory to what Peter meant on Pentecost (Acts 2)? No (Gal. 1).

Since both Paul and Peter were inspired by the same Spirit of truth (and since the Spirit cannot lie as He is God and God cannot lie (Titus 1:2), then neither Paul nor Peter would have wrote or taught a contradictory message by the authority of Christ of how to be saved from sin by the precious blood of Jesus, or else both would be accursed, as mentioned above (Gal. 1:6-9).

Is Paul saying to be saved, you must confess Jesus, believe He’s Lord, but calling on the name of the Lord does not also involve having to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins? He wouldn’t be saying it didn’t involve that, because that would be contradicting what the Spirit inspired Peter to say, which would be having the Spirit contradicting Himself. Paul also would not be saying you don’t have to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins in Rom. 10 v9-13, because he himself says Ananias told him to arise, be baptized, and was away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16).

In total: He said to believe (Rom. 1:16), repent (Rom. 2:4), confess (Rom. 10:9-10, and call upon the name of the Lord (v13), which is in perfect and complete harmony with what Peter says calling on the name of the Lord involves. It’s also in complete harmony with Jesus, as Jesus says why call me Lord, Lord, and not do the things which I say (Lk. 6:46). Jesus says to believe (Jn. 3:16), repent (Lk. 10:3), confess (Mt. 10:32-33) and he that believes and is baptized shall be saved (Mk. 16:16). If you want to be saved, you’ll believe and be baptized according to Jesus in Mark 16:16. But believing in Jesus to be saved also involves repenting and confessing He’s Lord. Peter also says believe (Acts 10:43) and to repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38). For what reason are we to believe and to be baptized Peter? For the same reason Jesus inspired him to say by His authority: For the remission of sins.

When you put 10:9-13 together with the whole counsel of God on this subject (Acts 20:27; cf. Ps. 119:160), you don’t get a contradictory message, but a harmonious divine message by two apostles of Christ, who taught the same gospel of salvation, the same doctrine of Christ, and the same way to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, etc etc.
 
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There could be a reason Paul didn't mention baptism in Romans.

Just MAYBE because he was speaking to his church not the unsaved.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Notice Paul is speaking about all of Israel to being saved???

You should read the whole chapter, you will see he is telling those who have been saved they better get out and confess JESUS so they will stay saved.

That's one reason I am on this sight, I have work to do.

Good point but Paul did speak of water Baptism in chapter 6. If read the opening of Romans in chapter one and all of chapter 10 we know who Paul is speaking to and why he wrote the letter as he was in Prison. Paul is speaking to the church and to Israel as it is his hope they would be saved Romans 10:1
 
Good point but Paul did speak of water Baptism in chapter 6. If read the opening of Romans in chapter one and all of chapter 10 we know who Paul is speaking to and why he wrote the letter as he was in Prison. Paul is speaking to the church and to Israel as it is his hope they would be saved Romans 10:1

Paul is speaking to the church hoping they will be saved?

They have been reborn and on the meat.

As I said you should read it with an open heart, he is speaking to his brother in Christ telling them to get out to remain saved.

Romans 10:9 is a perfect verse proving not once saved always saved, after we have been reborn what good are we doing nothing?

If they do nothing, NO CHANCE will Israel be saved.
 
The quote you reference was specific to the topic of water baptism. There is no need to bring up other topics; such as, the need to believe in Jesus' sacrifice, repentance, etc. when speaking about baptism. The same holds true within the pages of the bible. The concept should be an easy one to understand. But I notice you struggle with it. You will continue to be limited in your understanding until you accept this reality.
You wish one was struggling but as you have done ignore the context of Jesus that saves not water baptism. IF you want to be more understanding Peter doesn't overrule what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19. water baptism doesn't save.

Acts 2:38

Peter said repent:
  1. to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
  2. and be Baptized:
    "Note on Baptism in Ac. Baptism in water (such as John's) is distinguished from baptism with the Holy Spirit (i. 5, etc.). Those who receive the latter, however, may also be baptized in water (cf. xi. 16 with x. 47); and there is one example of people who had previously received John's baptism receiving Christian baptism as a preliminary to receiving the Spirit (xix. 3 ff.). John's was a baptism of repentance (xiii. 24; xix. 4), as was also Christian baptism (ii. 38), but as John's pointed forward to Jesus (xix. 4), it became obsolete when He came. Christian baptism followed faith in the Lord Jesus (xvi. 31 ff.); it was associated with His name (ii. 38; viii. 16, etc.), which was invoked by the person baptized (xxii. 16); it signified the remission (ii. 38) or washing away of sins (xxii. 16); sometimes it preceded (ii. 38; viii. 15 ff.; xix. 5), sometimes followed (x. 47 f.) the receiving of the Spirit." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 98, n. 1.)
    This word should not be confused with baptô (911).

    "1n the name =
    1. the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.

Jesus Christ for the remission of sin: release, as from bondage, imprisonment, Matthew 26:28; Mark 1:4; Luke 1:77; Luke 3:3; Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; Acts 5:31; Acts 10:43; Acts 13:38; Acts 26:18; Colossians 1:14;


You shall receive: lambanō ( same word Used in John 14 ) the gift (dōrea ) a gift: John 4:10; Acts 8:20; Acts 11:17; Romans 5:15; 2 Corinthians 9:15; Hebrews 6:4; according to the measure in which Christ gave it, Ephesians 4:7; with an epexegetical genitive of the thing given τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος, Acts 2:38; Acts 10:45; δικαιοσύνης, Romans 5:17

of the Holy Spirit
  1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
    1. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit)
    2. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth")
    3. never referred to as a depersonalised force
 
Paul is speaking to the church hoping they will be saved?

They have been reborn and on the meat.

As I said you should read it with an open heart, he is speaking to his brother in Christ telling them to get out to remain saved.

Romans 10:9 is a perfect verse proving not once saved always saved, after we have been reborn what good are we doing nothing?

If they do nothing, NO CHANCE will Israel be saved.
I said to the church AND to Israel as 10:1 states.
 
I said to the church AND to Israel as 10:1 states.

He is speaking to his church ABOUT ISRAEL.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
 
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He is speaking to his church ABOUT ISRAEL.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.




Romans 1:1-7


1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,
4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.


Paul is writing to Jewish Christians who were sent to the Gentiles as Paul was a Jew who was sent to the gentiles. This is evident
in the opening chapter of Romans were Paul says :

" Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God."

"regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, "

what Gentiles would understand the use of only the name David but jews who were also Christians?


5 "Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake."
who is Paul speaking to here if not those who were jews sent to the Gentiles church in Rome?


 
Romans 1:1-7


1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,
4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.


7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul is writing to Jewish Christians who were sent to the Gentiles as Paul was a Jew who was sent to the gentiles. This is evident
in the opening chapter of Romans were Paul says :

" Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God."

"regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, "

what Gentiles would understand the use of only the name David but jews who were also Christians?


5 "Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake."
who is Paul speaking to here if not those who were jews sent to the Gentiles church in Rome?


Acts 18:2 (NET)
18:2 There he found a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to depart from Rome. Paul approached them, ©NET
 
Acts 18:2 (NET)
18:2 There he found a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to depart from Rome. Paul approached them, ©NET

“gentiles/nations” occurs 29 times in Romans; “circumsion/uncircumcision” occurs 15 times; “Jew” is found 11 times as is “Israel”; “Greek” is used 6 times; while “Israelites” occurs 2 times and “barbarians” once. This comes to a total of 75 ethnic references in Romans.

This language was not speaking to gentile believers in Rome. It was to Jewish Christians also. Which Paul had to address many requirements the Jews were trying to make the gentiles believers do such as circumcision.
 
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