Universal Laws of Heavenly Bodies
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I think science was intended to explain truth about laws we could see. I don't know why people wish to separate truth and science.
Now science has put itself into the position of assuming that God doesn't exist and that His word is not true. It then uses these assumptions to come up with other conclusions. Science has become the god of a lot of people. Regular people would question just about everything else, but not their god science. How come? Are you afraid of the giants, the experts? They're not so big. They're just regular people, too.
Now science has put itself into the position of assuming that God doesn't exist and that His word is not true. It then uses these assumptions to come up with other conclusions. Science has become the god of a lot of people. Regular people would question just about everything else, but not their god science. How come? Are you afraid of the giants, the experts? They're not so big. They're just regular people, too.
Shall we let some of the giants have a word?
“When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for absorbing positive knowledge.”
“The scientific theorist is not to be envied. For Nature, or more precisely experiment, is an inexorable and not very friendly judge of his work. It never says "Yes" to a theory. In the most favorable cases it says "Maybe," and in the great majority of cases simply "No." If an experiment agrees with a theory it means for the latter "Maybe," and if it does not agree it means "No." Probably every theory will someday experience its "No"--most theories, soon after conception.”
“When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.”
-Albert Einstein (Proponent of general relativity theory)
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"I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."
" Plato is my friend - Aristotle is my friend - but my greatest friend is truth."……."Truth is ever to be found in simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things."
-Sir Isaac Newton (“describer” of universal gravitation and the three laws of motion)
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“Accordingly, since nothing prevents the earth from moving, I suggest that we should now consider also whether several motions suit it, so that it can be regarded as one of the planets. For, it is not the center of all the revolutions.”
(So the reason for theorizing that the earth moves is because nothing prevents it? Lol.)
“I can easily conceive, most Holy Father, that as soon as some people (Bible believers) learn that in this book which I have written concerning the revolutions of the heavenly bodies, I ascribe certain motions to the Earth, they will cry out at once that I and my theory should be rejected.”
“So far as hypotheses are concerned, let no one expect anything certain from astronomy, which cannot furnish it, lest he accept as the truth ideas conceived for another purpose, and depart from this study a greater fool than when he entered it.”
- Nicolaus Copernicus (proponent of heliocentric theory)
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“I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses.”
“So long as the mother, Ignorance, lives, it is not safe for Science (from his perspective, modern theoretical science and astrology) , the offspring, to divulge the hidden cause of things”
“I demonstrate by means of philosophy that the earth is round, and is inhabited on all sides; that it is insignificantly small, and is borne through the stars.”
(PHILOSOPHY! Not personal, observational, repeatable science. Just musings!)
- Johannes Kepler (proponent of eponymous laws of planetary motion and probable murderer of Tychoe Brahe)
“When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for absorbing positive knowledge.”
“The scientific theorist is not to be envied. For Nature, or more precisely experiment, is an inexorable and not very friendly judge of his work. It never says "Yes" to a theory. In the most favorable cases it says "Maybe," and in the great majority of cases simply "No." If an experiment agrees with a theory it means for the latter "Maybe," and if it does not agree it means "No." Probably every theory will someday experience its "No"--most theories, soon after conception.”
“When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.”
-Albert Einstein (Proponent of general relativity theory)
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"I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."
" Plato is my friend - Aristotle is my friend - but my greatest friend is truth."……."Truth is ever to be found in simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things."
-Sir Isaac Newton (“describer” of universal gravitation and the three laws of motion)
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“Accordingly, since nothing prevents the earth from moving, I suggest that we should now consider also whether several motions suit it, so that it can be regarded as one of the planets. For, it is not the center of all the revolutions.”
(So the reason for theorizing that the earth moves is because nothing prevents it? Lol.)
“I can easily conceive, most Holy Father, that as soon as some people (Bible believers) learn that in this book which I have written concerning the revolutions of the heavenly bodies, I ascribe certain motions to the Earth, they will cry out at once that I and my theory should be rejected.”
“So far as hypotheses are concerned, let no one expect anything certain from astronomy, which cannot furnish it, lest he accept as the truth ideas conceived for another purpose, and depart from this study a greater fool than when he entered it.”
- Nicolaus Copernicus (proponent of heliocentric theory)
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“I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses.”
“So long as the mother, Ignorance, lives, it is not safe for Science (from his perspective, modern theoretical science and astrology) , the offspring, to divulge the hidden cause of things”
“I demonstrate by means of philosophy that the earth is round, and is inhabited on all sides; that it is insignificantly small, and is borne through the stars.”
(PHILOSOPHY! Not personal, observational, repeatable science. Just musings!)
- Johannes Kepler (proponent of eponymous laws of planetary motion and probable murderer of Tychoe Brahe)
Recantation of Galileo (June 22, 1633)
I, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, arraigned personally before this tribunal, and kneeling before you, Most Eminent and Reverend Lord Cardinals, Inquisitors-General against heretical depravity throughout the entire Christian commonwealth, having before my eyes and touching with my hands, the Holy Gospels, swear that I have always believed, do believe, and by God's help will in the future believe, all that is held, preached, and taught by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But whereas -- after an injunction had been judicially intimated to me by this Holy Office, to the effect that I must altogether abandon the false opinion that the sun is the center of the world and immovable, and that the earth is not the center of the world, and moves, and that I must not hold, defend, or teach in any way whatsoever, verbally or in writing, the said false doctrine, and after it had been notified to me that the said doctrine was contrary to Holy Scripture -- I wrote and printed a book in which I discuss this new doctrine already condemned, and adduce arguments of great cogency in its favor, without presenting any solution of these, and for this reason I have been pronounced by the Holy Office to be vehemently suspected of heresy, that is to say, of having held and believed that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable, and that the earth is not the center and moves:
Therefore, desiring to remove from the minds of your Eminences, and of all faithful Christians, this vehement suspicion, justly conceived against me, with sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse, and detest the aforesaid errors and heresies, and generally every other error, heresy, and sect whatsoever contrary to the said Holy Church, and I swear that in the future I will never again say or assert, verbally or in writing, anything that might furnish occasion for a similar suspicion regarding me; but that should I know any heretic, or person suspected of heresy, I will denounce him to this Holy Office, or to the Inquisitor or Ordinary of the place where I may be. Further, I swear and promise to fulfill and observe in their integrity all penances that have been, or that shall be, imposed upon me by this Holy Office. And, in the event of my contravening, (which God forbid) any of these my promises and oaths, I submit myself to all the pains and penalties imposed and promulgated in the sacred canons and other constitutions, general and particular, against such delinquents. So help me God, and these His Holy Gospels, which I touch with my hands.
I, the said Galileo Galilei, have abjured, sworn, promised, and bound myself as above; and in witness of the truth thereof I have with my own hand subscribed the present document of my abjuration, and recited it word for word at Rome, in the Convent of Minerva, this twenty-second day of June, 1633.
I, Galileo Galilei, have abjured as above with my own hand.
[Galileo's Recantation excludes two points included in the original formula for abjuration presented to him by the Cardinals. These two points, objected to by Galileo, would have had him declare that he was not a good Catholic and that he deceived others in publishing his book.]
Source: Giorgio de Santillana, The Crime of Galileo (University of Chicago Press 1955), pp. 312-313.
I, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, arraigned personally before this tribunal, and kneeling before you, Most Eminent and Reverend Lord Cardinals, Inquisitors-General against heretical depravity throughout the entire Christian commonwealth, having before my eyes and touching with my hands, the Holy Gospels, swear that I have always believed, do believe, and by God's help will in the future believe, all that is held, preached, and taught by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But whereas -- after an injunction had been judicially intimated to me by this Holy Office, to the effect that I must altogether abandon the false opinion that the sun is the center of the world and immovable, and that the earth is not the center of the world, and moves, and that I must not hold, defend, or teach in any way whatsoever, verbally or in writing, the said false doctrine, and after it had been notified to me that the said doctrine was contrary to Holy Scripture -- I wrote and printed a book in which I discuss this new doctrine already condemned, and adduce arguments of great cogency in its favor, without presenting any solution of these, and for this reason I have been pronounced by the Holy Office to be vehemently suspected of heresy, that is to say, of having held and believed that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable, and that the earth is not the center and moves:
Therefore, desiring to remove from the minds of your Eminences, and of all faithful Christians, this vehement suspicion, justly conceived against me, with sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse, and detest the aforesaid errors and heresies, and generally every other error, heresy, and sect whatsoever contrary to the said Holy Church, and I swear that in the future I will never again say or assert, verbally or in writing, anything that might furnish occasion for a similar suspicion regarding me; but that should I know any heretic, or person suspected of heresy, I will denounce him to this Holy Office, or to the Inquisitor or Ordinary of the place where I may be. Further, I swear and promise to fulfill and observe in their integrity all penances that have been, or that shall be, imposed upon me by this Holy Office. And, in the event of my contravening, (which God forbid) any of these my promises and oaths, I submit myself to all the pains and penalties imposed and promulgated in the sacred canons and other constitutions, general and particular, against such delinquents. So help me God, and these His Holy Gospels, which I touch with my hands.
I, the said Galileo Galilei, have abjured, sworn, promised, and bound myself as above; and in witness of the truth thereof I have with my own hand subscribed the present document of my abjuration, and recited it word for word at Rome, in the Convent of Minerva, this twenty-second day of June, 1633.
I, Galileo Galilei, have abjured as above with my own hand.
[Galileo's Recantation excludes two points included in the original formula for abjuration presented to him by the Cardinals. These two points, objected to by Galileo, would have had him declare that he was not a good Catholic and that he deceived others in publishing his book.]
Source: Giorgio de Santillana, The Crime of Galileo (University of Chicago Press 1955), pp. 312-313.
Charles Darwin eventually finds Christ on his deathbed.
Account from Lady Hope that appeared on the 19th August 1915 in the Baptist "Watchman-Examiner" from her meeting with Darwin in the Autumn of 1881:
It was one of those glorious autumn afternoons, that we sometimes enjoy in England, when I was asked to go in and sit with the well known professor, Charles Darwin. He was almost bedridden for some months before he died. I used to feel when I saw him that his fine presence would make a grand picture for our Royal Academy; but never did I think so more strongly than on this particular occasion.
He was sitting up in bed, wearing a soft embroidered dressing gown, of rather a rich purple shade.
Propped up by pillows, he was gazing out on a far-stretching scene of woods and cornfields, which glowed in the light of one of those marvelous sunsets which are the beauty of Kent and Surrey. His noble forehead and fine features seem to be lit up with pleasure as I entered the room.
He waved his hand toward the window as he pointed out the scene beyond, while in the other hand he held an open Bible, which he was always studying.
"What are you reading now?" I asked as I seated myself beside his bedside. "Hebrews!" he answered - "still Hebrews. 'The Royal Book' I call it. Isn't it grand?"
Then, placing his finger on certain passages, he commented on them.
"I made some allusions to the strong opinions expressed by many persons on the history of the Creation, its grandeur, and then their treatment of the earlier chapters of the Book of Genesis."
He seemed greatly distressed, his fingers twitched nervously, and a look of agony came over his face as he said: "I was a young man with unformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything, and to my astonishment, the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion of them."
Then he paused, and after a few more sentences on "the holiness of God" and the "grandeur of this book," looking at the Bible which he was holding tenderly all the time, he suddenly said: "I have a summer house in the garden which holds about thirty people. It is over there," pointing through the open window. "I want you very much to speak there. I know you read the Bible in the villages. To-morrow afternoon I should like the servants on the place, some tenants and a few of the neighbours; to gather there. Will you speak to them?"
"What shall I speak about?" I asked.
"Christ Jesus!" he replied in a clear, emphatic voice, adding in a lower tone, "and his salvation. Is not that the best theme? And then I want you to sing some hymns with them. You lead on your small instrument, do you not?" The wonderful look of brightness and animation on his face as he said this I shall never forget, for he added: "If you take the meeting at three o'clock this window will be open, and you will know that I am joining in with the singing."
How I wished I could have made a picture of the fine old man and his beautiful surroundings on that memorable day!
Account from Lady Hope that appeared on the 19th August 1915 in the Baptist "Watchman-Examiner" from her meeting with Darwin in the Autumn of 1881:
It was one of those glorious autumn afternoons, that we sometimes enjoy in England, when I was asked to go in and sit with the well known professor, Charles Darwin. He was almost bedridden for some months before he died. I used to feel when I saw him that his fine presence would make a grand picture for our Royal Academy; but never did I think so more strongly than on this particular occasion.
He was sitting up in bed, wearing a soft embroidered dressing gown, of rather a rich purple shade.
Propped up by pillows, he was gazing out on a far-stretching scene of woods and cornfields, which glowed in the light of one of those marvelous sunsets which are the beauty of Kent and Surrey. His noble forehead and fine features seem to be lit up with pleasure as I entered the room.
He waved his hand toward the window as he pointed out the scene beyond, while in the other hand he held an open Bible, which he was always studying.
"What are you reading now?" I asked as I seated myself beside his bedside. "Hebrews!" he answered - "still Hebrews. 'The Royal Book' I call it. Isn't it grand?"
Then, placing his finger on certain passages, he commented on them.
"I made some allusions to the strong opinions expressed by many persons on the history of the Creation, its grandeur, and then their treatment of the earlier chapters of the Book of Genesis."
He seemed greatly distressed, his fingers twitched nervously, and a look of agony came over his face as he said: "I was a young man with unformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything, and to my astonishment, the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion of them."
Then he paused, and after a few more sentences on "the holiness of God" and the "grandeur of this book," looking at the Bible which he was holding tenderly all the time, he suddenly said: "I have a summer house in the garden which holds about thirty people. It is over there," pointing through the open window. "I want you very much to speak there. I know you read the Bible in the villages. To-morrow afternoon I should like the servants on the place, some tenants and a few of the neighbours; to gather there. Will you speak to them?"
"What shall I speak about?" I asked.
"Christ Jesus!" he replied in a clear, emphatic voice, adding in a lower tone, "and his salvation. Is not that the best theme? And then I want you to sing some hymns with them. You lead on your small instrument, do you not?" The wonderful look of brightness and animation on his face as he said this I shall never forget, for he added: "If you take the meeting at three o'clock this window will be open, and you will know that I am joining in with the singing."
How I wished I could have made a picture of the fine old man and his beautiful surroundings on that memorable day!
Really??? Why is Creationism not taught in schools?? Why is God's word not taught in schools? Why is the truth in God's word not taught in science classes??
My daughter asked me "How come we learn about the Greek gods and the Roman gods but they don't teach us the truth"? I said I don't know sweetheart they did the same thing to me.
Science makes no such assumptions... Where are you getting your facts?
My daughter asked me "How come we learn about the Greek gods and the Roman gods but they don't teach us the truth"? I said I don't know sweetheart they did the same thing to me.
Science makes no such assumptions... Where are you getting your facts?
Grandpa, it sounds like you have a problem with schools...
However, you are again arguing against something that I have not attempted to assert and to which I don't disagree.
My question remains, where are you getting your facts? Mine come from interacting with many scientists and by spending several years studying philosophy, including much time studying the philosophy of science.
However, you are again arguing against something that I have not attempted to assert and to which I don't disagree.
My question remains, where are you getting your facts? Mine come from interacting with many scientists and by spending several years studying philosophy, including much time studying the philosophy of science.
Easy Doc. not changing bedfellows only agreeing with the truth bud BTW I have been gone all day left the lappy on here so thats prolly why you figure I wasn't answering.
When it comes to science Doc. I am not reaching for support I am trying to teach you the truth but you refuse to listen because of your unfounded belief in a few select passages that you have misinterpreted.
Don.t care how you want to spin this with word play or fruedian confusion tactics I am NOT wrong about my beliefs in the scientific field That we discuss. You bring forth NOTHING for empiracal evidence just a bunch of voodoo claptrap that others of the Christian faith use to denounce scientific fact because their little minds can't grasp the concept and they can't make it jive with scripture because once again their little minds can't understand basic science.
When it comes to science Doc. I am not reaching for support I am trying to teach you the truth but you refuse to listen because of your unfounded belief in a few select passages that you have misinterpreted.
Don.t care how you want to spin this with word play or fruedian confusion tactics I am NOT wrong about my beliefs in the scientific field That we discuss. You bring forth NOTHING for empiracal evidence just a bunch of voodoo claptrap that others of the Christian faith use to denounce scientific fact because their little minds can't grasp the concept and they can't make it jive with scripture because once again their little minds can't understand basic science.
musky.
creation was either 6 literal days, or, to use your reference, 6,000 years.
now what do the marxi....i mean experts say?
eons and eons and star stuuuuuff.....billions of years?
or do you subscribe to the gap theory between gen 1:1 and 1:2?
like......we can count the generations from adam to Jesus musky.
what do we do with that?
that stuff came straight from the Zohar musky. way before modern science bud. jewish fables.
Big Bang is related to another idea....about some people receiving a divine spark etc.
all related dude. its ONE HUGE lie
creation was either 6 literal days, or, to use your reference, 6,000 years.
now what do the marxi....i mean experts say?
eons and eons and star stuuuuuff.....billions of years?
or do you subscribe to the gap theory between gen 1:1 and 1:2?
like......we can count the generations from adam to Jesus musky.
what do we do with that?
that stuff came straight from the Zohar musky. way before modern science bud. jewish fables.
Big Bang is related to another idea....about some people receiving a divine spark etc.
all related dude. its ONE HUGE lie
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what?
its written bud.
and anyways...would you trust these guys?
the Royal Society:
weird hand sign. itchy chest i reckon.
Thomas Henry Huxley PC PRS (4 May 1825 – 29 June 1895) was an English biologist, known as "Darwin's Bulldog" for his advocacy of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.[1]
its written bud.
and anyways...would you trust these guys?
empirical science was all but abandoned. why? YOU KNOW WHY! 2 thessalonians 2.
believing what MASONIC EXPERTS tell you with BOGUS imagery takes FAITH....in something....not GOD, but G.A.O.T.U.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]Freemasons have always been in the forefront of the scientific community; from the founding of the British Royal Society to today’s NASA programme in the United States. [/FONT]
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Freemasons in Space
SURPRISE!!!!
LOL
all the same families too bud....look em up
believing what MASONIC EXPERTS tell you with BOGUS imagery takes FAITH....in something....not GOD, but G.A.O.T.U.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]Freemasons have always been in the forefront of the scientific community; from the founding of the British Royal Society to today’s NASA programme in the United States. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]The following is a short and incomplete list 1 of Brethren who have contributed to the exploration of outer space. [/FONT][/FONT]
Freemasons in Space
SURPRISE!!!!
LOL
all the same families too bud....look em up
weird hand sign. itchy chest i reckon.
Thomas Henry Huxley PC PRS (4 May 1825 – 29 June 1895) was an English biologist, known as "Darwin's Bulldog" for his advocacy of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.[1]