Why are you in a debate forum when you have nothing to refute???
You better sit quietly and learn.
Do protestants have a reasonable non-Roman-Catholic explanation for John 20:22-23?
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You better sit quietly and learn.
More on Vestal Virgins
From A Roman Catholic source: https://www.catechist.com/bride-of-christ/
Regarding nuns, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says, Virgins who, committed to the holy plan of following Christ more closely, are consecrated to God by the diocesan bishop according to the approved liturgical rite, are betrothed mystically to Christ, the Son of God
From a site about Vestal Virgins:
10 Details from the Daily Life of Vestal Young Women in Ancient Rome https://historycollection.com/10-details-from-the-daily-life-of-vestal-young-women-in-ancient-rome/
Since vestal virgins were supposed to be “married” to Vesta and performing their duty as the god’s bride, it was part of their duty to look beautiful every time they performed the rituals and tended to the fire.
And here's a picture of where the Vestal Virgins lived:
Basically, it's like a Roman Catholic convent for nuns.
From A Roman Catholic source: https://www.catechist.com/bride-of-christ/
Regarding nuns, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says, Virgins who, committed to the holy plan of following Christ more closely, are consecrated to God by the diocesan bishop according to the approved liturgical rite, are betrothed mystically to Christ, the Son of God
From a site about Vestal Virgins:
10 Details from the Daily Life of Vestal Young Women in Ancient Rome https://historycollection.com/10-details-from-the-daily-life-of-vestal-young-women-in-ancient-rome/
Since vestal virgins were supposed to be “married” to Vesta and performing their duty as the god’s bride, it was part of their duty to look beautiful every time they performed the rituals and tended to the fire.
And here's a picture of where the Vestal Virgins lived:
Basically, it's like a Roman Catholic convent for nuns.
The queen of heaven is another example of ideas taken from paganism.
Jeremiah 7:18 addresses this…
“The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.”
Jeremiah 7:18 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jer.7.18.KJV
Chapter 44 gives more detail for any who are interested.
Yeah, and the whole "Mother of God" label they give to Mary.
Mary is not the mother of what makes Jesus "God in the flesh". She gave birth to a physical child. It is the Spirit of Christ, a Life-giving Spirit, that makes Jesus God. That Spirit came from God the Father.
But again, the statues of the Roman goddesses Mater Matuta (LINK) and Juno (LINK) were expensive. By merely changing the names of the statues, and even the buildings in which they are venerated, the Roman Catholics could quickly raise "Christian" idols in the place of their polytheistic religion.
Matthew 19:12
“There are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”
1 Corinthians 7:34
“The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit.”
These verses inspired both monks and nuns to choose virginity and celibacy as a way of total devotion to God. There are visible similarities between nuns and Vestal Virgin in outward lifestyle (chastity, ritual dress, community life).
If you insist the religious orders of nuns are to imitate Roman Vestal Virgins, are you accusing the Holy Spirit who inspired Matthew and Paul to teach people to follow pagan practice??
There are pagans calling 'queen of heaven' does not mean heaven cannot have a queen.
In the Kingdom of David, the king’s mother — not his wife — held the title Queen Mother
1 Kings 2:19
“Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him... and the king rose to meet her, bowed before her, and sat down on his throne. Then he had a throne set for the king’s mother, and she sat at his right hand.”
The mother of the king sat beside him as queen. So when Jesus is the Davidic King (Luke 1:32–33), His mother Mary naturally becomes the Queen Mother in His Kingdom — not a pagan goddess, but a biblical royal figure.
So calling Mary “Queen of Heaven” doesn’t make her a deity.
In Jeremiah 7:18 states that Israelites were condemned for offering incense and cakes to her, turning away from Yahweh.
(1)Catholics do not worship Mary or offer her sacrifices as a deity. Do you ever see Catholics make cakes and to pour out drink offerings to Mary?
(2) Even Catholics prayed to Mary does not mean they have turned away from YHWH.
Are you saying the physical Jesus on earth had no spirit?
Your saying would divide Jesus into “two persons,” one divine and one human — which is heresy called Nestorianism (condemned in 431 AD).
John 1:1, 14
“The Word was God… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
If Mary gave birth to the Word made flesh, she gave birth to God in the flesh.
Accepting eunuchs is one thing.
Creating a system of female virgins as "brides" of a god is clearing Roman tradition. This system is led by a man by the title that originated in the Roman polytheistic religious system: Pontifex Maximus.
Zero nuns are found in scripture.
Zero Pontifex Maximus's are found in scripture.
One Holy Father is found in scripture but it is a title reserved for God alone.
All men get their spirit from God and their flesh from their parents. This is seen in creation as Adam's body is made from the dust of the ground. It was only when God breathed into him that Adam became a living being.
Answer: can flesh and blood inherit the Kingdom of God?
Well folks, you can lead the blind to water, but you can’t make them drink.
That beechan defends this blatant paganism in the face of clear Scripture tells me he is choosing to be blind and is beyond the help of men.
Is Jephthah’s daughter can be seen as a prefiguration or symbolic foreshadowing of women living a celibate, devoted life for God?
You better find a sound argument to talk back instead of just disparaging your debate opponent. It is the usual tactics employed by the weak side of the debate.
Great!
So Mary only gave birth to a flesh Jesus. Only when Jesus was 12 years old and read Isaiah in the synagogue, Father gave Jesus the 'spirite', turning him a GOD.
! what kind of hermeneutics is that!??!
false doctrine
Yep
One who doesn't worship @Dino246 I'd say
Doesn't make her queen of anything either.
Mary is not equal with Jesus or co-redemptrix